Topic: Thoughts about premining/superblocks? Here's my $0.02... - page 2. (Read 5097 times)
agreed
not really, have it high enough to stop instamining, but not so high that smalltime miners cant mine, OR do a better one and move away from scrypt to something that isnt gpu mineable yet
The biggest problem today is these massive premines like 1M, but no, "dev will not sell or dump on an exchange"! They could write books as to why their premine is more just than the next guy's. They give out 5K here, 10K there, pools faucets, whatever. In the end they still have 950K. I'm not saying that my casino is great or anything, but I've spoke in the past just asking for a normal donation or even a semi-loan for a house stack, and they replied something like "are you crazy!". I bet they reply this to other people too offering services. Services their premined coins were supposed to be supporting.
They rather let coins die.... and they died alright
(not implying that my casino could have saved them, it's the general idea)
not really, have it high enough to stop instamining, but not so high that smalltime miners cant mine, OR do a better one and move away from scrypt to something that isnt gpu mineable yet
i reckon what could be done, is a small amount premined, the coin launched with a high diff to prevent instamining. Then the whole premine could be used as something like stocks or shares, and sold off, to everyone. This would then build a price for the coins, and a userbase from the beginning, The dev's would then have some money to work with either by the head dev getting the money from the premine or someone who the majority trusts to hold the money recieved
A high initial difficult cuts out ALL of the small timers because then you need a $5000 rig just to start off with. What's the point? I might as well just stick with a centralized currency.
YOLO
i reckon what could be done, is a small amount premined, the coin launched with a high diff to prevent instamining. Then the whole premine could be used as something like stocks or shares, and sold off, to everyone. This would then build a price for the coins, and a userbase from the beginning, The dev's would then have some money to work with either by the head dev getting the money from the premine or someone who the majority trusts to hold the money recieved
Hm.
The community is against any pre-mine whatsoever. The Nugget (also in development I think) plans to take a cut once a coin is mined. That said I'm not against super blocks, but you don't want them too high otherwise you'll draw the wrong kind of attention. In my opinion it's going to depend on how you treat the smaller miners.
The community is against any pre-mine whatsoever. The Nugget (also in development I think) plans to take a cut once a coin is mined. That said I'm not against super blocks, but you don't want them too high otherwise you'll draw the wrong kind of attention. In my opinion it's going to depend on how you treat the smaller miners.
I just wanted to get everyone's thoughts about the notion of premining alt-coins or having large initial superblocks that are mined by developers and/or early adopters? Is it beneficial or detrimental to the coin, and do you have any ideas on how to strike a balance?
I can understand why premining is looked down upon by the community since it potentially devalues the currency even before it gets off the ground. The common notion is that it's a pump and dump scheme by the developer(s), and if a coin starts off with this sort of stigma, chances are that the future of the coin isn't going to be promising. This turns off miners, and for a coin to succeed these days, the initial stage of engaging with miners to build up the hashrate and network stability is critical.
On the flipside, I can see why premining would be necessary in order to help build the ecosystem with incentives or having bounties in place. I think everyone would agree that part of the formula to a successful crypto currency involves having strong developer support. This breeds confidence in the long term outlook of the coin when the ecosystem is growing and there are tools in place to help make adoption of the coin easy and accessible. But I see that the fear many have is that these developers and those that receive these bounties would immediately flip them on the exchanges and cash out, flooding the market and therefore driving the value of the currency down. Also, if they cash out early, they no longer have the incentive to contribute and do what they can to help sustain the currency.
So this got me thinking: why not treat these incentives and bounties similar to vested stock options within a startup company? In other words, benefactors would not be able to access these funds and cash out until a given amount of time (ie. 6 months) has passed. More about this below.
I don't think that there's a clear cut solution that would appease everyone, but here are my thoughts. I believe that the foundation should be built on transparency and trust. A reasonable premine of 1% of the total amount of coins would be acceptable upon the condition that a public ledger is kept to detail how the funds are being allocated. This strikes a balance in that it provides the funds necessary to kickstart the ecosystem while providing accountability.
To address the worry that the benefactors of these funds would then flip them on an exchange to cash out, these funds would instead be deposited into a separate wallet in which they do not have access to the private key until it has been fully vested. The public key would be available in the public ledger for people to view the balance in a blockchain-like explorer tool to make sure everyone stays honest.
What are your thoughts and suggestions?
Full disclosure: I'm developing an alt-coin. This post was meant to start a conversation and get your thoughts to help shape not only this coin, but the future of all alt-coins.
I can understand why premining is looked down upon by the community since it potentially devalues the currency even before it gets off the ground. The common notion is that it's a pump and dump scheme by the developer(s), and if a coin starts off with this sort of stigma, chances are that the future of the coin isn't going to be promising. This turns off miners, and for a coin to succeed these days, the initial stage of engaging with miners to build up the hashrate and network stability is critical.
On the flipside, I can see why premining would be necessary in order to help build the ecosystem with incentives or having bounties in place. I think everyone would agree that part of the formula to a successful crypto currency involves having strong developer support. This breeds confidence in the long term outlook of the coin when the ecosystem is growing and there are tools in place to help make adoption of the coin easy and accessible. But I see that the fear many have is that these developers and those that receive these bounties would immediately flip them on the exchanges and cash out, flooding the market and therefore driving the value of the currency down. Also, if they cash out early, they no longer have the incentive to contribute and do what they can to help sustain the currency.
So this got me thinking: why not treat these incentives and bounties similar to vested stock options within a startup company? In other words, benefactors would not be able to access these funds and cash out until a given amount of time (ie. 6 months) has passed. More about this below.
I don't think that there's a clear cut solution that would appease everyone, but here are my thoughts. I believe that the foundation should be built on transparency and trust. A reasonable premine of 1% of the total amount of coins would be acceptable upon the condition that a public ledger is kept to detail how the funds are being allocated. This strikes a balance in that it provides the funds necessary to kickstart the ecosystem while providing accountability.
To address the worry that the benefactors of these funds would then flip them on an exchange to cash out, these funds would instead be deposited into a separate wallet in which they do not have access to the private key until it has been fully vested. The public key would be available in the public ledger for people to view the balance in a blockchain-like explorer tool to make sure everyone stays honest.
What are your thoughts and suggestions?
Full disclosure: I'm developing an alt-coin. This post was meant to start a conversation and get your thoughts to help shape not only this coin, but the future of all alt-coins.
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