Thoughts on Bold browser? - formerly Braver

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Quote from: tyz on July 09, 2020, 04:31:20 PM

Braver Browser has now been renamed to Bold Browser due to possible legal issues. Brave is not doing itself a favor if it continues to do such actions. After being positive about Brave for a long time and using the browser as my first browser for more than a year, I now mainly use Firefox again and wait until Bold Browser (or other forks) has reached a stable status.

It's good that they've changed the name although it's still similar in their meaning like you, I would like to see positive reviews first before I start using this new BOLD browser, after their launching, we will now have the battle of the browser and we'll see who will come out with a better version.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on July 11, 2020, 06:12:38 AM

No. This move by Brave to threaten legal action against Braver/Bold is completely ridiculous, and goes against the very nature of free and open source software. Did Firefox threaten Waterfox? Did Chrome threaten Ungoogled Chromium? Did uBlock threaten uBlock Origin? Did KeePass threaten KeePassX or KeePassXC? Did Bitcoin threaten Bitcoin Cash?

Basically you are right. Brave Browser is released completely under Mozilla Public License and GNU Lesser General Public License. So starting from this point it is nonsense to threaten forks with legal actions. My guess is rather that they want to prevent the browser name from being associated with the company name (Brave Software Inc). I am sure Mozilla company would have considered legal actions, too, if there would be a Firefox fork which is named Nozilla Firefix Browser Cheesy

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Quote from: tyz on July 11, 2020, 05:34:22 AM

Finding a good browser name these days is difficult because you easily get legal issues if it sounds similar to existing ones.

No. This move by Brave to threaten legal action against Braver/Bold is completely ridiculous, and goes against the very nature of free and open source software. Did Firefox threaten Waterfox? Did Chrome threaten Ungoogled Chromium? Did uBlock threaten uBlock Origin? Did KeePass threaten KeePassX or KeePassXC? Did Bitcoin threaten Bitcoin Cash?

The whole point of free and open source software is that anyone can fork it and change/improve your code, especially if your project has started to sell out on its core principles and sell out its users in return for making profit, just as Brave has done. This recent legal action is the most recent in a long line of very questionable decisions from the Brave team.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on July 10, 2020, 06:49:02 PM

Quote from: Bttzed03 on July 10, 2020, 08:37:20 AM

Thanks @tyz and @TryNinja for the heads up. The OP has been updated.

Name change was bound to happen but I didn't expect a legal threat this quick Grin

Boldbrowser?

Finding a good browser name these days is difficult because you easily get legal issues if it sounds similar to existing ones. And if you take a short time to research you'll find out that there is a ton of browsers out there, even though the most are not well known. Bold Browser is not the best name but it derives in some way from Brave(r), so it is a good alternative name.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on July 10, 2020, 06:49:02 PM

At first i thought this was just a some sort of joke when i do read up that changed name of Brave browser and in talks about that legal threat then im sure that they didnt anticipate for it to be so quick. Grin

Boldbrowser? What a shitty name and also who would be the one to trust up this one again? Once you have done something (deceiving users) that will surely taint into their name no matter how many
times they would plan to change.

Brave didn't change their name. A independent fork of them did (Braver -> Bold) because the original Brave (who deceived their users) supposidely threatened them.

The name kinda makes sense since Bold sounds like a synonym of the adjective "brave".

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on July 10, 2020, 08:37:20 AM

Thanks @tyz and @TryNinja for the heads up. The OP has been updated.

Name change was bound to happen but I didn't expect a legal threat this quick Grin

At first i thought this was just a some sort of joke when i do read up that changed name of Brave browser and in talks about that legal threat then im sure that they didnt anticipate for it to be so quick. Grin

Boldbrowser? What a shitty name and also who would be the one to trust up this one again? Once you have done something (deceiving users) that will surely taint into their name no matter how many
times they would plan to change.

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Thanks @tyz and @TryNinja for the heads up. The OP has been updated.

Name change was bound to happen but I didn't expect a legal threat this quick Grin

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x-post of the source for the name changing:

Quote from: TryNinja on July 09, 2020, 01:41:15 PM

Just adding some source:

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Due to legal threats sent to one of our community members by a certain party, specifically looking to harm them financially because of what this browser is forked from, we are immediately changing the name and removing all association to "the browser that shall not be named".

https://twitter.com/BoldBrowser/status/1281167687629049856

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We are also removing references to a browser that we previously mentioned from our tweets, as a gesture of goodwill to those who send legal threats to open source contributors.

https://twitter.com/BoldBrowser/status/1281174422347546624

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A company shouldn't advertise itself as privacy and anonymity respecting if they support sending legal threats to the only non-anonymous contributor of an open-source project.

Legal Disclaimer: this tweet is about nothing/noone in particular.

https://twitter.com/BoldBrowser/status/1281223448170242049

New links:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/BoldBrowser
GitHub: https://github.com/BoldBrowser

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Braver Browser has now been renamed to Bold Browser due to possible legal issues. Brave is not doing itself a favor if it continues to do such actions. After being positive about Brave for a long time and using the browser as my first browser for more than a year, I now mainly use Firefox again and wait until Bold Browser (or other forks) has reached a stable status.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on June 27, 2020, 06:31:06 AM

Everything is too early to tell about the future of Braver Browser after the launch we will need a couple of months or even more to check members reaction and reviews about the competing Browser there will always differ on both browser, but we'll have to see and read the reactions of users of both browser.

do you even know what Brave browser is or bothered searching? it was launched 4 years ago and all the reactions and reviews have been out already. the conclusions are also made: Brave is so much worse than any other browser even those that don't claim to be privacy oriented such as Chrome itself. i'd rather report my every move to Google rather than this shady company.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on June 27, 2020, 06:31:06 AM

Everything is too early to tell about the future of Braver Browser after the launch we will need a couple of months or even more to check members reaction and reviews about the competing Browser there will always differ on both browser, but we'll have to see and read the reactions of users of both browser.

Not sure what much reviews they're going to need though besides the stability, it's not like Braver will have some additional features or something. It's literally just the Brave browser with some stuff here and there removed.

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Everything is too early to tell about the future of Braver Browser after the launch we will need a couple of months or even more to check members reaction and reviews about the competing Browser there will always differ on both browser, but we'll have to see and read the reactions of users of both browser.

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Quote from: bitmover on June 26, 2020, 04:24:18 PM

This is an interesting perspective which I never thought about. KYC makes BAT basically useless, as a FIAT withdrawal would be better.

Just as instant free transactions from centralized cryptocurrencies are a nonsense (if you don't carea bout decentralization, just use visa), BAT becomes worse than fiat when forcing KYC.

Yea. I'd probably slightly more understand the need of a separate token if they actually used the smart contracts mumbo jumbo feature of Ethereum together with a browser extension like Metamask, whereas the BAT automatically gets collected to your Metamask wallet. But no, everything goes through Uphold anyway so what's the point in using a token really lol. I'm a bit convinced that they only used a token to be able to fund themselves.

Quote from: bitmover on June 26, 2020, 04:24:18 PM

THey could argue "But BAT is worldwide and fiat is not. BAT would flatten currency relations worldwide". This is also false, as the amount of BAT received depends on your IP location. (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brave-browser-expands-advertising-feature-170545030.html#:~:text=With%20the%20Brave%20v0.,earn%20BAT%20for%20viewing%20ads.)

Not only that, Uphold supports a crap ton of currencies anyway, so that argument really wouldn't pass. https://uphold.com/en/transparency%C2%A0

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Quote from: mk4 on June 25, 2020, 10:54:10 PM

I'm pretty sure earning through ads is removed on Braver. The KYC through withdrawing on Brave sure is counter-intuitive though. Why do you even need a cryptocurrency if you're just going to KYC anyway. Might as well just let people withdraw fiat.

Nice.

This is an interesting perspective which I never thought about. KYC makes BAT basically useless, as a FIAT withdrawal would be better.

Just as instant free transactions from centralized cryptocurrencies are a nonsense (if you don't carea bout decentralization, just use visa), BAT becomes worse than fiat when forcing KYC.

THey could argue "But BAT is worldwide and fiat is not. BAT would flatten currency relations worldwide". This is also false, as the amount of BAT received depends on your IP location. (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brave-browser-expands-advertising-feature-170545030.html#:~:text=With%20the%20Brave%20v0.,earn%20BAT%20for%20viewing%20ads.)

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Quote from: ultrloa on June 26, 2020, 06:29:28 AM

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IE is so slow for me and I cannot use especially on multitasking category that's why I'd choose chrome, But actually it's good to used the brave browser as an alternative since it's fast and the thing there is don't expect that you can earn more money by using it since it will give low rewards to the users and that is totally fine since every reward counts aslong as we cannot get 0 at the end of the day.

Brave browser is indeed fast but that's not the reason that people use Brave; they are focused on getting rewards. But do you want to do a full KYC for receiving +/- 0.5$/month?
I tried almost all browsers and I will continue to use Chrome.

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Quote from: Mahanton on June 25, 2020, 06:15:17 PM

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Quote from: Metherry on June 23, 2020, 04:17:43 AM

Does anyone know how much profit can be made from that browser?

Very little, especially you're from unpopular country without many ads. Looking for part-time jobs is more viable option to earn extra money.

I'm using Brave browser and I'm from a third world country and i don't see many ads coming my biggest earning for a month is only 30 cents worth of Bat, I'm thinking of removing it now there's so many negative posts and articles about Brave, but I'd like to hear how they are going to address this issue, I read that they are taking away the redirection but I want to hear more on what are they planning to do now that there is a new similar browser competing with them.

Back in the past on where those BAT ads rewards is less due to my countries location but later on they do make it available and it do give out 4-5 ads max for 1 day but it isnt really worth to click those things up
yet you do earn pennies but there are still people who do such simple task to earn few bucks.I havent tried to withdraw yet but some said it do need some KYC? thats bullshit and now
they do have issue about fixed referral link redirection? Maybe its time to uninstall this stuff out of my browser and would stick out to old IE browser. hehe

IE is so slow for me and I cannot use especially on multitasking category that's why I'd choose chrome, But actually it's good to used the brave browser as an alternative since it's fast and the thing there is don't expect that you can earn more money by using it since it will give low rewards to the users and that is totally fine since every reward counts aslong as we cannot get 0 at the end of the day.

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Quote from: FFrankie on June 25, 2020, 01:29:22 AM

you gotta give kyc to withdrawal from brave thats a joke and a half

other half of the joke is the amount of BATs you receive monthly

I'm part of that Joke I sometimes question myself is it really worth earning 20 cents of Bat after finding that redirection and kinds of stuff they added, I'm ok with a small amount but weighing in the rewards and the risk, I guess it's not worth it, I'm sure we have thousands of people with the same judgement.

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Quote from: Metherry on June 23, 2020, 04:17:43 AM

Does anyone know how much profit can be made from that browser?

I don't think it's enough to get you to use a site, it's more like a bitcoin facets, right?

And then what is the development that this browser does, all the good features can be done with a small team of developers,
Just block ads is the unique feature that they offer, the rest of the things are a compilation of some features.
I think they want to achieve profits quickly and the last thing that matters to them is the protection of privacy.

will remove it.

Though not the best, I'd say Brave was actually a decent out-of-the-box browser privacy-wise, before all this fiasco. People have argued about the KYC thing, but you don't have to submit if you don't want to. It's not something you're forced to do.

But this is what Braver is trying to do: remove all the crap and just have a decent privacy browser.

Quote from: FFrankie on June 25, 2020, 01:29:22 AM

you gotta give kyc to withdrawal from brave thats a joke and a half

I'm pretty sure earning through ads is removed on Braver. The KYC through withdrawing on Brave sure is counter-intuitive though. Why do you even need a cryptocurrency if you're just going to KYC anyway. Might as well just let people withdraw fiat.

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Quote from: Metherry on June 23, 2020, 04:17:43 AM

Does anyone know how much profit can be made from that browser?

Very little, especially you're from unpopular country without many ads. Looking for part-time jobs is more viable option to earn extra money.

I'm using Brave browser and I'm from a third world country and i don't see many ads coming my biggest earning for a month is only 30 cents worth of Bat, I'm thinking of removing it now there's so many negative posts and articles about Brave, but I'd like to hear how they are going to address this issue, I read that they are taking away the redirection but I want to hear more on what are they planning to do now that there is a new similar browser competing with them.

Back in the past on where those BAT ads rewards is less due to my countries location but later on they do make it available and it do give out 4-5 ads max for 1 day but it isnt really worth to click those things up
yet you do earn pennies but there are still people who do such simple task to earn few bucks.I havent tried to withdraw yet but some said it do need some KYC? thats bullshit and now
they do have issue about fixed referral link redirection? Maybe its time to uninstall this stuff out of my browser and would stick out to old IE browser. hehe

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Quote from: FFrankie on June 25, 2020, 01:29:22 AM

you gotta give kyc to withdrawal from brave thats a joke and a half

other half of the joke is the amount of BATs you receive monthly

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