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Topic: Thoughts on Bold browser? - formerly Braver - page 3. (Read 1084 times)

legendary
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So we take Chromium, strip out some (but certainly not all) of the privacy invasion, tracking, and data harvesting, create Brave browser, replace the all the privacy invasion we've stripped out with some of Brave's own privacy invasion, ads, KYC, etc., then take that, strip out some (but again probably not all) of Brave's privacy invasion, and call it Braver browser.

Or..... you could use Firefox which doesn't have all this nonsense to begin with. Seems a pretty simple choice to me. If you desperately need a privacy respecting Chromium fork, then use Ungoogled Chromium.
They aren't just reversing every single change that Brave made in Chromium's base browser that made what Brave is today. They are removing all the unnecessary crap that they implemented to make money or push their own custodian services forward. It's all in the TODO list I linked above (Uphold with their KYC, Ref links, BAT features and their ads, the New Tabs adware, etc...).

I'm not sure what else Brave has besides this, but an example is keeping the Metamask integration and making it "the default web3 wallet". Could we just download Metamask extension in Firefox or Chromium? Of course, but that's another discussion. We could basically make any of these browsers "Brave" with extensions, but they decided to create their own browser for all of this.
hero member
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Good for the team behind this fork, but browser forks tend to go unnoticed by the majority of ppl and end up being these obscure web browsers that almost no one uses. Examples of this are Waterfox, Pale Moon, Basilisk...these are Firefox forks so maybe things will be different with Braver?

Still, either they implement cool features (even cooler if they're privacy features that actually work) or they risk joining the long list of obscure and forgotten "privacy focused" web browsers like IceCat, Iridium, Comodo Dragon, etc...
legendary
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So we take Chromium, strip out some (but certainly not all) of the privacy invasion, tracking, and data harvesting, create Brave browser, replace the all the privacy invasion we've stripped out with some of Brave's own privacy invasion, ads, KYC, etc., then take that, strip out some (but again probably not all) of Brave's privacy invasion, and call it Braver browser.

Or..... you could use Firefox which doesn't have all this nonsense to begin with. Seems a pretty simple choice to me. If you desperately need a privacy respecting Chromium fork, then use Ungoogled Chromium.

Brave CEO already said that the fork won't work without the revenue streams.
Of course he said that. The ubiquitousness of free and open source software proves that he is wrong. I used Electrum about 10 minutes ago. What revenue streams does it have? Also, surely the fact that he has just admitted that Brave is completely dependent on funding from companies like Binance is a huge red flag? Anything Binance want - more imbedded code, unique tracking, user data - they can strong arm Brave in to implementing with he tthreat of removing their funding if they don't comply.
legendary
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I also heard about them after the whole ref links fiasco, which made me stop using Brave.

Here is what they plan to change from the original Brave browser: https://github.com/braver-browser/braver-core/projects/1
sr. member
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I was using the brave Browser for a while until all the negative news about it came out.
This looks like a nice attempt to clean the browser out a bit and make it useable again, but I will just have an eye out on it for now and see how things develop over time.
Myself I switched to Firefox, as Chrome was not an alternative for me.
Lets see how things develop.
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legendary
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Well, it looks like a decent attempt to take out Brave's recent BS due to the recent fiasco. Will definitely watch it, but for now I'll stick back to Firefox(with the right plugins) as I'm expecting this one to be a bit more clunky due to probably lack of development.
legendary
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Update: Braver is now Bold browser. Read explanations here

For those who haven't heard of it yet, it's a fork of the Brave browser.
If you are wondering why there's a sudden fork, read New stupid/greedy move from Brave Browser

Braver Bold devs plan to keep the privacy features of Brave (built-in ad blocker, Tor, WebTorrent) and removing revenue generating features such as adware, token (BAT), sponsored images, Binance ad, and referral links.

I'm also curious how this would work. Brave CEO already said that the fork won't work without the revenue streams.
Clunk UX sounds like bugs to fix. Please file. But they want to drop several major revenue legs. That leaves nothing but donations for funding. Won't work.

He also revealed that Firefox was able to survive because of the deals it had with Google:
I'm a founder of http://mozilla.org, pulled Mozilla out of AOL, incubated & launched Firefox, had first contact from Google for the 2004 search deal that made Firefox viable via an affiliate code in default UX. Not replicable, forks don't inherit. Open source was not enough.
I was there, I'm telling you straight — ask around. Being a non-profit was not the basis for our survival & growth, the Google search deal was. By mid-2004, we'd used most of the AOL seed funding, only IBM + a few bigs paid for TAB membership. We were going down without Google.

I'm still using brave with disabled ads/refs as Firefox crashes on my device from time to time. I'm personally looking forward to using Braver but it seems like developers will have a tough time here unless they get enough funding. Any developers here who might have an idea how much it would cost to run this?



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