Topic: Thread locked I owe it to aew. JollyGood and his Feedback - page 3. (Read 1282 times)

Be careful who you are talking against. I will not surprise to see you received one just because you expressed your opinion in the bold form I marked.

PM sent, public topic created but instead of explanation he now thinks sending a red tag on my trust page was appropriate. He did not use any of the chances that he was given. Right now his response does not carry any value. I will rather ask others mainly everyone including who have him in their trust list.

Can you even contact him in private, or he totally blocked you as well?
We could really benefit from less drama in this forum, but all I see is that he refused to explain anything about this case and just gave one more negative feedback.
Maybe negative feedback was a bit premature from both sides, but one he gave is 100% retaliatory.

Other DT members should seriously reconsider if this Candyman should still be a part of DT members, and doing nothing is only going to encourage him to continue doing the same thing.
He is again mentioning Royse in his feedback to member BitcoinGirl.Club, just proves that is seriously obsessed with this member.
I am calling other experienced members to examine this case.

Well I think you got your response in the form of a retaliatory red tag which is disappointing though not unsurprising. I guess it further proves your point about his abuse of the trust system though.




Fair enough when you put it like that, I still think it would of been worth reaching out to others, as now this isn't just about starmyc and nemgun, but your own red tag as well.

This is not a case for me that I became a victim of something. Now I desperately need to reach out to other members to request support to get the tag removed, on the other hand with the long years in the forum I don't think anyone will feel comfortable too if I PM requesting to make a connection with JG. It sounds funny and dramatic. By the way it was a sarcasm (the gig thing) on the other post but thank you for the list.

I wanted to have a one to one discussion which was said in the PM I sent to JollyGood on the last 20th July. I was expecting his response. I waited 6 days until I created this topic on 27th. I still waited and until now there are no explanation from JollyGood of why he left these unfair red tags to user starmyc and nemgun? He failed to support his cause.

Starmyc has business in the forum, a Software Engineer. Since the red tag left by JollyGood, starmyc did not get any order (it seems JG revenged tag worked), he became inactive although he sent me PM on July 17th saying, JollyGood took the work and asked him to refund for the previous work (how unfair and sounds pathetic). Nemgun obviously was a victim of the CEO just like Royse777 was a victim of his CEO. You don't jail the shareholders because the main head runaway with the money.

I wanted to ask jollyGood in private without making it public that he should resolve the problem with starmyc or give me a reasonable story and reconsider their tags. The tag on Starmyc can be even looked at as JollyGood was using it to silent him. Look at all others feedback on starmyc, how it went wrong only with JollyGood?

Well you have your reasons, I can't argue with that. I did PM you that list of users that JG would likely listen to for a reason, re: others he respects, but I get the impression you didn't bother reaching out to anyone  

There's one user in particular that you trust the judgement of, and who JG trusts and trust is reciprocated. Maybe worth reaching out to them to get a response don't you think?

While I'm not here to argue with why you gave him negative feedback, it would have been a good idea to try and a find a mediator of sorts prior to the feedback...

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This isn't true or accurate, think I'm currently proof of that right now 

I have also been part of Hhampuz's signature campaign before, because as stated, it's for legitimate feedback only. icopress otherwise doesn't kick you out for negative DT feedback, as stated.

I have my reasons explained in the reference. In short
1. He did not pay starmyc for his work even asked for refund for the first job. Left red tag as hostage.
2. His arguments are inappropriate and his use of red tags based on the inappropriate arguments. He did it twice (from the limited investigation I conducted myself) once for nemgun and recently for Royse777

An example of his inappropriate argument and how he suggest others to step in to his arguments

Bump.

Lol, I've realized, BitcoinGirl.Club, that you have left JollyGood negative feedback.

Even if you are on his ignore list I think we are going to have drama.

Well in this case JollyGood may publish a list of users who he trust for discussion, so we can see LoyceV and whoever else are in it. It will save our time and we will know who to request to get answers from JollyGood. Don't tell me these are the users who he had in his distrust list.

Have a service, "I will get your answer from JollyGood for $5" (like they do on fiverr LOL). Whenever any of us will need the service, we will order the gig. They will be users like me or the people who received negative feedback but when they wanted to contact JG in PM or wanted to address him in reputation thread, he decided not to respond their valid reasons. Sounds like a joke. but look a the number of feedback he left. The service will really make them rich.

He obviously feels that he is above explanation of what he do now. If a user has such mindset then its risky to give them responsibility. DT is a huge responsibility. A DT member should come forward to clear his doings when its in question by anyone. Accepting or denying the explanation is something else but this anyone even could be the real scammer who received the feedback for a proven scam.

No obviously not. It's disappointing that JollyGood hasn't responded to this thread, but also hardly surprising. Unfortunately, it usually takes the persuasion from others that he trusts in order to engage with constructive criticism (hint hint). This isn't even intended as further criticism, but more a statement of facts, as acknowledged by JG himself. In summary, he's unlikely to respond to you directly, only to others he respects, even if it'd be the mature thing to do, given that you appear to be a respected member here, rather than a troll or a scammer etc. Everyone would be open to constructive criticism, but sadly this is not the case...

I doubt very much that there are serious consequences of leaving negative feedback for a few days while things are being clarified to prevent scams.

Nowadays even to participate in signature campaigns, you are not automatically kicked out because you are given a negative feedback from a DT. For example:

I am in his ignore list, this is the reason I am guessing so far. It's more of ego than giving a good reason. If this is the reason then it's obviously a childish which questions his mental stability. If someone is too childish to accept constructive criticism then how would you trust his feedback left from left to right, everywhere. Feedback system is not for children. It's for adults.

Ignoring PM, ignoring public calls question his self-confidence.

As long as you are right it prevents but if you are wrong then you are accountable for the damage you made to the account.

Yes, you are right. After I wrote that I kept thinking.

It is not useless because it prevents others from falling into the same trap, but as it works what happens is that if you wait for someone to scam to tag him, what usually happens is that after being tagged he disappears from the forum.

But I will rephrase that by saying that it would be more useful if it served to prevent the initial scam.

Btw, why JollyGood has not defended himself in this thread?

It not useless. The tag then save others not to fall in the same trap. Loan default accusations are the best example.

Two user is question in the topic. starmyc and nemgun.

I quote from starmyc
There were two jobs. The first one was paid and supplied. He must be talking about the 2nd one. JollyGood took the 2nd work but since he was not happy, he even asked for refund for the first work. starmyc obviously is conducting a business in the forum (from the stuffs in his signature). You and me know JollyGood leaves feedback for no serious reasons but it is not necessary for his potential clients to know who is what in the forum. They will see the feedback from JollyGood, starmyc lose his potential clients.

Read (including the quoted message of JollyGood) where I am coming from for nemgun: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52985918
I don't think it's justified to keep him tagged. JollyGood even decided to block his PM LOL

This point has given me food for thought recently and I think it is the subject of a thread on its own.

I agree with Stalker22, I prefer to red tag someone when I have clear suspicions even if I don't have hard evidence rather than wait for the scam to happen and red tag then.

I did so in two recent cases: Royse777 and Shaker_finance.

In the case of Royse777 I red tagged her and supported the flag when many people didn't want to due to previous reputation. I was seeing that Bitlucy could be a clear exit scam and she was involved. Something had to be done to try to put pressure on her to fix the problem. When the scam had already happened, it was when many in DT supported the flag and red tag her.

The red tag should be used if you think that trading with that person is high risk, and here there is a component of subjectivity, which should be minimal.

In any case, if I'm wrong, I can change the red tag and nowadays it doesn't hurt anyone to have a red tag for two or three days until things become clearer.

If negative feedback is only used to tag someone when they have already scammed, then it is useless.

You personal judgment (when wrong) should not damage others reputation.
How would you assure I will not scam at some time? It's not good either to stay suspicious always.
Where is the obvious red flag for starmyc and the same red flag for nemgun?
Why would I suspect starmyc and not suspect JollyGood?
If nemgun were to tag then all ICO that failed should be tagged too. Scam and fail has too different meanings. Scam is when you take from others in bad faith, a fraud.

I think it largely depends on the situation and personal judgment. It is not a good idea to always wait until a scam happens to warn the community. If there are obvious red flags and valid reasons, I think it is okay for DT members to put a red tag on the account as a warning. Every single tag can be easily removed or changed to neutral. I have followed many cases in which JollyGood was involved and I mostly agree with his/her decision, but of course, everyone should make their own conclusion based on the available evidence and not blindly trust the opinion of other members.

If there's one thing I've learned over the time I've been involved in the crypto, it's that you can never be too careful or to do too much due diligence.

When scam is proven, act there a no problem. Everyone of us act to a proven scam. If anyone speaks in favor of proven scam there is problem but you should not leave red tag for something that has not happened yet. Your tag damage the business. A red tag sent wrongly damage the motivation of a member who wanted to have a pleasant journey in the community.
Honesty is something I only know. I can well use the honesty as a way for me to make a place for me.
We don't know the real motive but a person who are always too harsh to leave red tag and too suspicious in everything, how do they took it as guaranteed for a casino they are promoting was clear until it was proven. My problem is there. If OP of that accusation was not admitting the exploit than the case still would continue and JolllyGood may still continue defending (from the history of his involvement). Clearly the weekly payment took a part in the changed behavior. So honesty, possibly something you are seeing that he wants you to see.

It was concerning but they are lucky that the accuser lost his patience.

When someone is asking you something then you respond in a good manner, when someone is asking explanation then you explain. That's how we practice in gentlemen world. Do you think we have several months for him to wait?

Of course JollyGood, as far as I've seen, acted honest, and showed some disgust and intolerance for scammers, which most normal human beings should have been raised so. It's definitely a bit eccentric and out of line in this forum, but stop complaining, you know, some people are honest and don't like promoting scams.

Try to offer him $80 or $100 and see if he will start to dance with your music.. oh right you can't do that because he ignores you
I don't have anything against him but he does take things very personally, and he can't accept well criticism coming from other people.
For example I criticized his behavior of giving negative feedback very easy to everyone, and his response was to ignore me and accuse me for creating drama.
If you look at JollyBad post history you will understand what I am talking about, but I still hopes he will change his ways.
I made mistakes in past, but I was willing to change and admit when I was wrong.

This is unacceptable waiting period for any gambling website.
I don't know if you noticed last case that happened with SandBoxCasino (aka Owl.games), but it's serious and you should check it out in Scam Accusations.

A lot of those users appear to be those who he doesn't trust or like the opinion of. To be fair though, he's more than welcome to distrust users he doesn't like the opinion of, even if not always logical imo.


Good scam buster for sure (hence DT1). But it wouldn't be the first time he gave red trust inaccurately which took several months to be resolved after finally acknowledging incorrect use of the trust system.

The upside is JollyGood is able to acknowledge incorrect use of trust system (great), the downside is it may take several months to do so (unfortunate).

If he's adding users to his distrust list rather than giving them negative feedback without good cause, then I'd welcome the change.