Thread re opened due to buyer accusing me of shipping an empty package.

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Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:55:13 PM

So everyone is believing that TMAN just happens to emigrating and his computer is in storage right now?
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yes, most of use know he has been moving

Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 01:32:57 PM

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It was a sealed envelope. Unless someone was thoughtful enough to re-tape it shut after robbing it, the item just wasn't in there in the first place.
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Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 04:04:27 PM

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Conclusion: someone stole it somewhere along the way and resealed it after.
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thanks for the laugh

a good thread after so long

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I have not taken the time to read all the previous replies, but would just like to state for the record that I have traded with TMAN to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars, and not once have I ever encountered a problem. I do not see TMAN trashing his reputation for a Kialara Bar worth a couple of hundred bucks, and I fully trust him to stick to what he agrees to.

If this package did indeed arrive empty, then it was stolen during transit. That's my personal take on this.

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Went through the entire thread, just for teh lulz. Topic title attracted me.

So, you're getting a package which supposedly weights 1/4 of a KG, 250g.
You get an empty envelope and you can't tell the difference from empty to 250g of weight?

You're either a scammer, or a very stupid scammer.
Paint this guy in red before someone falls for his BS.

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Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 04:24:47 PM

Come on guys - it was not an attempted scam. I didn't notice the weight on the package. I am not trying to perpetrate some scam for $200 bucks. Seller didn't notice the weight in the picture for hours either.

And let me ask you: if you buy something using bitcoin and you get an empty envelope, which do YOU think was more likely - that the seller jobbed you or that the package was mysteriously stolen. I certainly would think it's the seller. Turned out I was wrong.

I'll accept stupid, but not scammer.

I knew it was there.. AWB = air way bill, that big fucking sticker on the front of the package, I referenced it enough times in the thread Your story had holes and the envelope had holes, your hand was trying to cover one on the bottom of picture 4. I imagine you have spent some time trying to fanny up the packaging.

Now please stop the nonsense

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Come on guys - it was not an attempted scam. I didn't notice the weight on the package. I am not trying to perpetrate some scam for $200 bucks. Seller didn't notice the weight in the picture for hours either.

And let me ask you: if you buy something using bitcoin and you get an empty envelope, which do YOU think was more likely - that the seller jobbed you or that the package was mysteriously stolen. I certainly would think it's the seller. Turned out I was wrong.

I'll accept stupid, but not scammer.

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Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 04:04:27 PM

Quote from: digicoinuser on April 27, 2017, 03:56:03 PM

Quote from: TMAN on April 27, 2017, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:12:11 PM

Please post the image of the receipt with the weight, or message it to me directly if it shows personal address, etc. If it's legit then I will drop my complaint. I am not lying about the envelope being sealed and empty, but if I see a receipt showing that there was an actual weighted item shipped to me, then I will have to be satisfied that someone swiped the item along the way.

I'm getting bored of this shit now. It's nearly midnight here.... I'll give you a clue... look at the pictures you PM,d me

There is one that I had to remove from this thread......

Shipping weight was 0.25kg which works out to 8.8oz shipping weight, the image was still cached on my system from when I saw the label issue.

You're right, it does say that.... I guess if that is accurate then it must have weighed that much when shipped....

I feel pretty stupid for not having realized that it would say the weight on there. I don't see a way for that to have been faked so...

The envelope was empty and sealed when, and yet weighed over 1/2 pound when shipped. Conclusion: someone stole it somewhere along the way and resealed it after.

My apologies, TMAN. You acted in a good faith. You did nothing wrong.

Sorry also for the thread and the time spent analyzing. Sad

In before account goes quiet again... scammers gonna scam?? Your attempt failed no free kialara for you....

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Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 04:04:27 PM

Quote from: digicoinuser on April 27, 2017, 03:56:03 PM

Quote from: TMAN on April 27, 2017, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:12:11 PM

Please post the image of the receipt with the weight, or message it to me directly if it shows personal address, etc. If it's legit then I will drop my complaint. I am not lying about the envelope being sealed and empty, but if I see a receipt showing that there was an actual weighted item shipped to me, then I will have to be satisfied that someone swiped the item along the way.

I'm getting bored of this shit now. It's nearly midnight here.... I'll give you a clue... look at the pictures you PM,d me

There is one that I had to remove from this thread......

Shipping weight was 0.25kg which works out to 8.8oz shipping weight, the image was still cached on my system from when I saw the label issue.

You're right, it does say that.... I guess if that is accurate then it must have weighed that much when shipped....

I feel pretty stupid for not having realized that it would say the weight on there. I don't see a way for that to have been faked so...

The envelope was empty and sealed when, and yet weighed over 1/2 pound when shipped. Conclusion: someone stole it somewhere along the way and resealed it after.

My apologies, TMAN. You acted in a good faith. You did nothing wrong.

Sorry also for the thread and the time spent analyzing. Sad

Man I'm going to give you a negative rating for this. Makes no sense at all.

A tip for the next time you try to scam someone: Don't. You do not possess the needed amount of brain cells to pull it off.

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Quote from: digicoinuser on April 27, 2017, 03:56:03 PM

Quote from: TMAN on April 27, 2017, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:12:11 PM

Please post the image of the receipt with the weight, or message it to me directly if it shows personal address, etc. If it's legit then I will drop my complaint. I am not lying about the envelope being sealed and empty, but if I see a receipt showing that there was an actual weighted item shipped to me, then I will have to be satisfied that someone swiped the item along the way.

I'm getting bored of this shit now. It's nearly midnight here.... I'll give you a clue... look at the pictures you PM,d me

There is one that I had to remove from this thread......

Shipping weight was 0.25kg which works out to 8.8oz shipping weight, the image was still cached on my system from when I saw the label issue.

You're right, it does say that.... I guess if that is accurate then it must have weighed that much when shipped....

I feel pretty stupid for not having realized that it would say the weight on there. I don't see a way for that to have been faked so...

The envelope was empty and sealed when, and yet weighed over 1/2 pound when shipped. Conclusion: someone stole it somewhere along the way and resealed it after.

My apologies, TMAN. You acted in a good faith. You did nothing wrong.

Sorry also for the thread and the time spent analyzing. Sad

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Meh.

Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:55:13 PM

So everyone is believing that TMAN just happens to emigrating and his computer is in storage right now?

I don't know what else to say. He's got the BTC and I've got no Kialara. I guess I am screwed.

I accept responsibility for not having surged into action the instant I realized I had been shipped an empty worthless envelope, but I doubt it would have mattered.

I guess all's fair in the wild, wild Bitcoin west.

I know for a fact that TMAN in fact has been emigrating.

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Quote from: TMAN on April 27, 2017, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:12:11 PM

Please post the image of the receipt with the weight, or message it to me directly if it shows personal address, etc. If it's legit then I will drop my complaint. I am not lying about the envelope being sealed and empty, but if I see a receipt showing that there was an actual weighted item shipped to me, then I will have to be satisfied that someone swiped the item along the way.

I'm getting bored of this shit now. It's nearly midnight here.... I'll give you a clue... look at the pictures you PM,d me

There is one that I had to remove from this thread......

Shipping weight was 0.25kg which works out to 8.8oz shipping weight, the image was still cached on my system from when I saw the label issue.

shadallion

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So everyone is believing that TMAN just happens to emigrating and his computer is in storage right now?

I don't know what else to say. He's got the BTC and I've got no Kialara. I guess I am screwed.

I accept responsibility for not having surged into action the instant I realized I had been shipped an empty worthless envelope, but I doubt it would have mattered.

I guess all's fair in the wild, wild Bitcoin west.

TMAN

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Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:12:11 PM

Please post the image of the receipt with the weight, or message it to me directly if it shows personal address, etc. If it's legit then I will drop my complaint. I am not lying about the envelope being sealed and empty, but if I see a receipt showing that there was an actual weighted item shipped to me, then I will have to be satisfied that someone swiped the item along the way.

I'm getting bored of this shit now. It's nearly midnight here.... I'll give you a clue... look at the pictures you PM,d me

There is one that I had to remove from this thread......

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Most of us skip this stuff (me included) but never ever let the postman leave before you check inside of the package, especially if what you are waiting for is a valuable item. When you sign the paper after you receive the item, there isn't much you can do later.

I know it is a pain in the ass but we need to do it to protect ourselves. I don't know the seller, he may forgot to put it inside the package (his trust rating says this is unilkely) or your item is stolen. (likely)

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Quote from: TMAN on April 27, 2017, 03:27:48 PM

Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:12:11 PM

Please post the image of the receipt with the weight, or message it to me directly if it shows personal address, etc. If it's legit then I will drop my complaint. I am not lying about the envelope being sealed and empty, but if I see a receipt showing that there was an actual weighted item shipped to me, then I will have to be satisfied that someone swiped the item along the way.

why are you ignoring the fact that the picture you sent me showed a slit in the package? After a bad experience I ensure everything I sent is extremely well packaged with tape over every edge of the envelope/jiffy. The picture though a pretty bad one showed the inside of the envelope where it had been split next to the brown tape.

You stated that you took the picture before you opened the package.....

That looks like the plastic bag that's taped onto the package that the customs declaration thing comes in? It would be open if there were duty to be paid

Edit to add: pic 1 looks like the front and there is no plastic bag customs form thing. We need a picture of the back of packaging which is where this would have been I believe.

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Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:12:11 PM

Please post the image of the receipt with the weight, or message it to me directly if it shows personal address, etc. If it's legit then I will drop my complaint. I am not lying about the envelope being sealed and empty, but if I see a receipt showing that there was an actual weighted item shipped to me, then I will have to be satisfied that someone swiped the item along the way.

why are you ignoring the fact that the picture you sent me showed a slit in the package? After a bad experience I ensure everything I sent is extremely well packaged with tape over every edge of the envelope/jiffy. The picture though a pretty bad one showed the inside of the envelope where it had been split next to the brown tape.

You stated that you took the picture before you opened the package.....

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Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:17:00 PM

I don't understand this. Are you saying TNT erases its records after 13 days? That sound pretty far fetched to me.

He says that he can't file an insurance claim 13 days after the item was signed on delivery (or that it would be foolish). You're supposed to report these things right away, and not wait 2 weeks FYI.

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Quote from: TMAN on April 27, 2017, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on April 27, 2017, 01:51:09 PM

If insurance was paid for file a claim with the shipper and let them sort it out.

I can't as it is 2 weeks after it was signed for. TNT will laugh at me.. especially as the package was not signed for as damaged or open or empty.. really who would open a Jiffy bag that feels empty when you are expecting a metal bar??? Even more so why wait 2 weeks??

In PM he mentions traveling yet above no mention of that being the cause of the delay

I don't understand this. Are you saying TNT erases its records after 13 days? That sound pretty far fetched to me.

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Please post the image of the receipt with the weight, or message it to me directly if it shows personal address, etc. If it's legit then I will drop my complaint. I am not lying about the envelope being sealed and empty, but if I see a receipt showing that there was an actual weighted item shipped to me, then I will have to be satisfied that someone swiped the item along the way.

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Quote from: TMAN on April 27, 2017, 02:57:33 PM

Thanks for the objective point of view. As an escrow yourself if this was a deal you held the funds for, how would you deal with t?

If the accuser (in this case shadallion) is unable to provide adequate evidence for his accusation, then I'd dismiss it. In this particular case:
1) You (TMAN) can provide reasonable evidence that the package had the estimate weight (which is reasonable evidence that the package contained something, i.e. at least was not empty).
2) The buyer signing on delivery. One would expect to feel the difference between an empty package and one containing a metal bar. He/she could even go as far as rejecting the package all together. Them failing to report this in time, in combination with 1) (once provided) would probably make me dismiss it all together unless new evidence comes up.

Quote from: shadallion on April 27, 2017, 03:08:05 PM

TMAN, in answer to why you would do this over such a petty sum, I honestly don't know. Again, all I know is that when I got the envelope it was sealed and yet empty.

It is not possible for both of these to be true at the same time:
1) The package having a certain weight when it was sent by TMAN.
2) The package being untampered.

One of them must be false. Maybe the apartment manager stole it?

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I live in an apartment complex and the package was received by the apartment manager. By the time I had it in hand, the delivery company was long gone. I was handed this package.

Travel was part of the personal business - what of it? It's not "inconsistent" it's simply fleshing out what I messaged the seller directly. Do you immediately tell of your personal backstory in every circumstance? As the issue has escalated to a broader audience, I chose to frame it differently.

TMAN, in answer to why you would do this over such a petty sum, I honestly don't know. Again, all I know is that when I got the envelope it was sealed and yet empty.

I am wondering why if it was insured it didn't come to me personally - why was a third-party (my apartment manager) allowed to sign for it? I paid for insurance with the shipping so isn't the onus on you to send it to me with directions that it actually be received and signed by me?

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