Topic: Time to implement rules for bounty managers (Read 513 times)

Well that's something I think should change and more admins would solve this. If theymos isn't that bothered about enforcing bane evasion then we should just get rid of the rule and make it that you can just create another account to use because that's what people do anyway.


Well I anticipated this and that's why I've suggested we need signature bans/blacklists as well and that's what was meant to happen with the Signature Campaign Guidelines. If a campaign was banned then so would their signatures.


I've also suggested this, and theymos did at least put it into the 'maybe' category: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.44432901


theymos doesn't have to care about the money and it can be given to charity, but I think ICOs should have to pay something to operate here. Do Facebook and Google let you advertise for free? No. Not only do they advertise for free but they do it at the detriment and destruction of the forum and that shouldn't be allowed to continue. I'd estimate probably at least 90% of staff workload is caused by ICOs and the spam they cause so they should probably have to start compensating for that. It really annoys me that staff are effectively defacto campaign managers for ICOs that are too lazy to do their own job and they sit back and often collect millions in the process.

Once they've paid the fee here we could give them their own sub board in the Alt Coin section and this would also eliminate paid bumping because it would become useless and futile, so there are numerous benefits to this in my opinion.

FWIW, Leroy Fodor, a pillar of the crypto community, could rite worth schit in spite of earning a BBA degrees form Ohio State Univarcity.

How about we implement rules for people wanting to implement rules instead?

 

People can call theymos greedy. Or theymos can recycle money he receives back into the economy via donations to charities.

Just because you take money to allow posts, you are not under any obligation to filter out scams, as I believe he would still be exempted from liability under section 230 of the communications decency act.

I also believe theymos should change people to rank up, or at least to wear a signature in order to give incentives to not post garbage.

It may really decrease lots of problem regarding those but it will be the worst step because people will call theymos greedy while they don't know what will be the use of those funds. I read somewhere that theymos don't take any profit from the forum. Also, if theymos charges for ANN thread and bounty thread, there will be a lot of tasks because you can't permit a scammer for scamming people by paying you. After all, it is not a good solution.

The forum does have rules. Although they have often gone unenforced, especially when it comes to ban evasion.

I don’t think regulations of bounty managers will accomplish anything because they can just manage campaigns off site, and attempting to regulate may preemptively do that.

Even if regulations were put in place, I wouldn’t penalize BMs because they can’t speak English or because they themselves make shit post garbage.

I think a better solution would be to charge to create both an ANN thread and to create a bounty thread. Some exceptions can be made if a coin exceeds certain criteria, especially for ANN threads. The cost should not be nominal, perhaps in the thousands of dollars.

As long as they got paid with any currency, they capable to "manage" the campaign and it will let them become experience for future proposal.

So it's depend on people who hire the smart manager or manager like OP's mention

Exactly. I was expecting a bit more than spelling check when I saw the title of the thread. Although I agree that correct term should have been used but it hardly affects the credibility of a bounty manager. There are more important things to look into.

I'd measure professionalism on writing style.
If someone can write wall, I'd say they're quite professional, if not, I'd say they could be considered to have a lack of knowledge in the area they are writing (such as what we're seeing here).
I'm not a professional writer, I haven't mastered the craft and so I don't go in to manage campaigns to advertise them to the masses like these campaign managers clearly do.

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It says a lot about the actual team behind the bounty if they can't find someone who is able to write good posts, a serious lack of funding on their part means that the bounty is likely to scam in my opinion. If people aren't drawn into your thread and your idea, how are they going to be able to support it?

I support the OP for this for we really need some regulations on the part of bounty manager especially in the altcoins section. Writing the word stacks instead of stakes is completely an indicator that a bounty manager is ineffective and just accept the task just because he will going to earn with it by posting this in a thread.

Moreover, there are things that needs to consider for a regulation like in the signature campaign. Bounty managers should should accept the post in the local boards for it to function as well. Some bounty managers do accept local boards but it consist only of not more than 30% of the total post required weekly. Thus, bounty hunters will going to post massively on the Super Mega Threads for this.

However, even if there are too many post in the Super Mega Threads it does not annoyed me for somehow many posts their are good. Some are also actually funny especially if English is not their primary language. I can hold to read more posts and discussions that somehow are unique and some of it are sarcasm.

The more the merrier!

If they want work on the English part of the forum they should expect to know a bit of English.
Putting stack for stake means he/they haven't proof read it. There is nothing against using online translators to convert something back into your native language if it makes it easier to proof read... You can't post translations here though if done using online translators.

I don't see anything wrong with bounty manager making mistake with spelling, that doesn't justify or make him a bad manager, English might be your first hand language but it is not for other people, Instead of calling him out for the spelling mistake, why not write him a message and correct him for the mistake? We should learn how to be watch each other back because no one is above mistake.

Well yes, this is a common problem that exists and we can easily find these grammatical issues but we cannot criticize them for not knowing good grammar. They are senior members because they deserved it and their grammatical mistakes are at least understandable (as you understood what he meant to say).  
Let us appreciate those who are putting in the effort to make this platform more informative instead of only focusing on criticizing people for their mistakes.

The last straw for you is their inability to spell words right? I think we should be punishing campaign managers, but not because of their illiteracy.


This forum has rules. So does bitcoin. If you come here and spam rubbish or copy and paste then you get banned. The same should be applied to those who are paying them to do this in the first place and if we don't 'regulate' campaigns then nothing will change here as they will continue to be lazy and pay for any old spam. The forum is such a shitshow because we've done little to nothing about spam coming from campaigns. Had we done something about it years ago instead of just letting it breed then the forum wouldn't be such the eyesore it is now.

First of all we need to ban the bounty hunters who submitting their weekly reports as posts even they have google form for submitting those,this is actually against the forum rule too,but they haven't ban yet?

Already bounty managers and bounty participants having some rules right?! : Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign)

I didn't say it's fishy, I said, I ain't gonna list the fishy characters here.
Some example of fishy characters of a bounty manager can be- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46525565
I should link this one in the OP and I am doing so now.

C'mon. Read all the posts before joining a discussion. Thank you.

Do you think this is the primary Job of a Bounty Manager? Does it even matter!!
Do you only check spellings before joining a Boutny program?


I am pretty much confused here. "What do you mean by Regulation, when you are dealing with non regulated products"?


The first part states this thread is not about rules and regulation and in the above part you want to have some kind of regulation, which you never listed.
Please do not post for the sake of posting. Justify the reason for this post.

Exactly. There's a difference from being fishy and being unprofessional. The project team probably just hired that dude just to save up some money.

On the judgement on post quality: Correct me if I'm wrong, but bounty campaigns of shitcoins are mostly on social media campaigns right? And that I think they're really not that strict with post quality to start with.

There are very few people in the bitcoin ecosystem that I am aware of that are against an ETF.

A ETF is not going to create bitcoin out of nowhere regardless of if they are backed by bitcoin or by bitcoin futures (I’m not sure what else they could be backed by).

The only way bitcoin can potentially be created out of thin air is if on chain transactions become prohibitively expensive enough so that people store bitcoin on bitcoin banks that lend out deposits and those loans are used to pay others via off chain transactions within the bank. A bitcoin bank could potentially owe 2mm BTC to deposit holders, hold 500k BTC via settled transactions, and own 1.55mm BTC in promissory notes (the net present value, including accounting for estimated credit losses).

IIRC, theymos said he didn’t want to help create regulations that would likely help the ETF get approved (and in turn would likely increase adoption). This is counterproductive because it is possible that eventual regulations will be more restrictive than what theymos May have gotten implemented.

I am confident that theymos is not going to implement regulations as requested by the OP. I would probably be against these types of regulations anyway. It would probably be better to reform the forum in other ways that improves the experience of users.

While creating rules for bounty managers is probably contrary to the forum’s mission, theymos himself posted asking for more professionals to enter the space, seemingly acknowledging the need for higher standards and better accessibility.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/demand-for-sig-managers-4355524

It's not fishy IMO, but it's extremely sloppy and unprofessional.  Should this be one of the reasons why bounty managers need some forum regulation?  No, not at all.  It's up to potential bounty participants to decide whether they want to join.  Most of us here know a lot of altcoin bounty managers are idiots, as are the people behind the projects that start the bounties.

One thing I'll say is that if a bounty manager is unable to spell basic words like "stakes", it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in me that he'll be able to judge post quality, at least not in the English section.  And whether Theymos agrees with that assessment or not, I highly doubt he's going to put any restrictions in place and certainly not some sort of literacy test before one becomes a bounty manager.

Come on now. What if the bounty manager just isn't a native english speaker, hence the misspelling? Not because someone is from a foreign country(with very low english usage) it doesn't mean the bounty manager is automatically "fishy". Though I'm also not saying that the manager is legit or not.

Also:
LOL

A bounty managers inability to spell "stakes" or probably maybe a misspelling of the word "stakes" doesn't actually make him/her less of a bounty manager.

You talk about regulations for bounty managers but didn't actually come up with any idea, input or suggestions on the sort of regulations for us to discuss about.

There is actually someone in favour of Bitcoin ETFs, what world am I living on?

Physically backed ones, sure I can see why they're good. But non physically backed ones are where the risks lie as we then end up without a limited number of bitcoin.

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Onto the topic, in forum rules aren't bounty/giveaway threads against the rules, IMO we should just trash 'em all and then see who stick around .

I will never end if we never get help from admin.

Theymos doesn’t believe in regulations. He refuses to participate in the creating of regulations that would even result in greater freedoms (ability to buy btc in etf form) for bitcoin holders.

I am sorry. Coolcryptovator has already created a thread regarding this issue, although not exactly same.
My thread is not about rules or regulations. I want to quote a part of a bounty thread created by a so-called full member.

Here we go-


If a bounty manager can't write the word "stake", what can we expect from him?
Probably, it's time for some regulation for bounty managers. I don't want to mention the fishy characteristics of bounty managers here.