[To Theymos and Mods] An honest concern (all trolling aside)

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Quote from: Syke on April 02, 2013, 11:59:01 PM

BFL ad on bitcointalk.org

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1,500 GH/s ASIC miner - BFL MiniRig SC - $29k - butterflylabs.com

Actual price on BFL website:

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$29,899.00

$29,899 is not $29k. More BFL deception. Stop the ads Theymos.

haha, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.

Syke

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BFL ad on bitcointalk.org

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1,500 GH/s ASIC miner - BFL MiniRig SC - $29k - butterflylabs.com

Actual price on BFL website:

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$29,899.00

$29,899 is not $29k. More BFL deception. Stop the ads Theymos.

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You have it mixed up. At the beginning, BFL required transactions be done in BTC. Therefore someone who bought using bitcoin because that is what they insisted upon should be given a refund in BTC.

Later orders where Bitcoin was an option alongside US$ are a different matter, I agree.

That's not exactly true. From the start you could pay with BTC, or with a bank wire to their US bank.

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Quote from: theymos on March 27, 2013, 08:25:15 AM

I don't really follow this stuff, but I've been hearing a lot of positive news about BFL recently, so I tend to think that it's probably not a scam. I'll reevaluate this if they haven't produced anything concrete by their current deadline.

While I might refuse their advertising, giving them a scammer tag is more complicated. I'm not sure what obligations and deadlines preordering implies. They'd probably have to stop all contact for several months for me to give them a scammer tag. I recommend against preordering anything from anyone in the Bitcoin community.

Theymos, when are you tagging BFL/Inaba with scammer tags? They are still advertising a shipping date that has passed, for like the 6th time. Enough is enough.

https://products.butterflylabs.com/featured-products/60gh-bitcoin-miner.html

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initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on April 01, 2013, 03:02:00 AM

Quote from: JordanL on April 01, 2013, 01:54:17 AM

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/luke-jr/118-my-first-asics.html

Seems they have begun shipping something, at least.

Or is it an April fool's joke?

For Luke to get that unit, they would have had to ship it out last week.

He's at their factory working on bfgminer. If you notice his screenshots are in the exact same place as the video of the bfl's 'hashing' the other day.

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Quote from: Syke on March 28, 2013, 11:27:47 PM

Quote from: theymos on March 27, 2013, 08:25:15 AM

I don't really follow this stuff, but I've been hearing a lot of positive news about BFL recently, so I tend to think that it's probably not a scam. I'll reevaluate this if they haven't produced anything concrete by their current deadline.

https://products.butterflylabs.com/featured-products/60gh-bitcoin-miner.html

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initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013.

I expect to not see a single more BFL ad as of 4/1.

Times up, theymos. Ban BFL ads and tag BFL/Inaba with scammer tags. They've missed far too many "deadlines".

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Quote from: JordanL on April 01, 2013, 01:54:17 AM

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/luke-jr/118-my-first-asics.html

Seems they have begun shipping something, at least.

Or is it an April fool's joke?

For Luke to get that unit, they would have had to ship it out last week.

JordanL

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https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/luke-jr/118-my-first-asics.html

Seems they have begun shipping something, at least.

Or is it an April fool's joke?

JordanL

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Quote from: theymos on March 27, 2013, 08:25:15 AM

I don't really follow this stuff, but I've been hearing a lot of positive news about BFL recently, so I tend to think that it's probably not a scam. I'll reevaluate this if they haven't produced anything concrete by their current deadline.

While I might refuse their advertising, giving them a scammer tag is more complicated. I'm not sure what obligations and deadlines preordering implies. They'd probably have to stop all contact for several months for me to give them a scammer tag. I recommend against preordering anything from anyone in the Bitcoin community.

This is a reasonable policy, for what my opinion's worth.

I don't have much faith in BFL, but until there is evidence of criminal wrongdoing, a scammer tag is premature.

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Is there a written statement that explains what the criteria is for being given the scammer tag? BFL was clearly lying in September/October when they were telling the community shipping dates and they didn't even have a finalized design, let alone a working prototype. I believe BFL should get a scammer tag because they took peoples money while they lied about shipping dates they knew they had no chance of meeting. If/when they actually ship an ASIC product then they can have the scammer tag removed.

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Thank you.

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Quote from: Rawted on March 29, 2013, 09:11:25 PM

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets.html

Could you screen shot that?

I'm not going to expose my computer to that site.

https://i.imgur.com/Sfc1klu.png

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https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets.html

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Quote from: Isokivi on March 27, 2013, 02:48:04 PM

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If I buy something from you in BTC and return it as defective, what currency will you give me a refund in?

In the currency you paid, but not the same amount, exchange rate fluctuations apply. I first and foremost offer to re-ship the ordered item and to date this has been fine with my customers.

In BFL's case that currency was BTC.

And you actually have a product to send them. Not a ranting bully of a COO who promises next week when there are a dozen milestones before shipping still to go.

In real life this is how it works, I have friends who use chinese credit cards on occasion to buy goods in the us of a and when they need to get a refund not only do they get hit with a second currency exchange fee but they also get the short end of the stick if currency exchange rates did not move in their favor..... why is bfl/bitcoin any different? Their goods are sold in the US and priced in US $ and they happen to offer a payment gateway interface with bit pay that allows you to provide US $ value via a bitcoin transfer much the same as a chinese national paying at a US of A mall with chinese rmb through the visa/MasterCard gateway for goods sold in the US of A and priced in US $.......

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Quote from: theymos on March 27, 2013, 08:25:15 AM

I don't really follow this stuff, but I've been hearing a lot of positive news about BFL recently, so I tend to think that it's probably not a scam. I'll reevaluate this if they haven't produced anything concrete by their current deadline.

https://products.butterflylabs.com/featured-products/60gh-bitcoin-miner.html

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initial shipping scheduled for the last half of March 2013.

I expect to not see a single more BFL ad as of 4/1.

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@Theymos and MODs,

The people have spoken on their thoughts on IF BFL is a scam:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/poll-should-butterfly-labs-bfl-get-a-scammer-tag-155730

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In BFL's case that currency was BTC.

And you actually have a product to send them. Not a ranting bully of a COO who promises next week when there are a dozen milestones before shipping still to go.

True, but in my understanding most people who have been ranting about btc refunds from BFL work under the assumption they get the same amount of coin back.

I did briefly consider pursuing gold versions of my goods with pre-order btc. I didn't like the notion nor the position I would of have been putting myself in and quickly dismissed it.

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If I buy something from you in BTC and return it as defective, what currency will you give me a refund in?

In the currency you paid, but not the same amount, exchange rate fluctuations apply. I first and foremost offer to re-ship the ordered item and to date this has been fine with my customers.

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Quote from: Isokivi on March 27, 2013, 11:18:41 AM

Quote from: smoothie on March 27, 2013, 01:33:07 AM

I guess someone needs to define at what point is a incompetent operation considered a scam.

Right about the time when they nolonger process refunds or accept chargebackable payments ?
[edit] This talk of btc refunds is absurd, fiat refunds are what you should expect.

If I buy something from you in BTC and return it as defective, what currency will you give me a refund in?

Or, if I buy something that cost one egg-laying hen, and the exchange rate depreciated 50%, how do I get half an egg-laying hen refunded if my something is defected?

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Quote from: smoothie on March 27, 2013, 01:33:07 AM

I guess someone needs to define at what point is a incompetent operation considered a scam.

Right about the time when they nolonger process refunds or accept chargebackable payments ?
[edit] This talk of btc refunds is absurd, fiat refunds are what you should expect.

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