ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT - page 5.

Adrian-x

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Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 24, 2016, 05:48:41 PM

Roger Ver is knee deep in Ethers. Don't pretend that place isn't what it is.

I'm not invested in ETH, so no I haven't noted the fascination it may just be me self censoring and ignoring all the inappropriate headlines.

I did see this though, censoring in full force over on r/bitcoin so maybe you're dreaming. r/bitcoin is OK discussing ETH but not discussing the topic of moving the block limit.

Carlton Banks

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Quote from: Adrian-x on June 24, 2016, 05:50:53 PM

I don't see any shilling campaigns maybe you can enlighten us? I do see a bunch of digital influences paid by huge corporate sponsors to create FUD around the dangers of bigger blocks.

Because you're one of those shills, duhhhh. Or more likely just a useful idiot, judging by your output in the past

Quote from: Adrian-x on June 24, 2016, 05:50:53 PM

I'm glad to see there is no resistance to altcoins implementing Segwit, I suggest Core got on that and do some real world testing before messing with Bitcoin implementation, what do you think about deploying it on the Litecoin network? it shares a lot of fundamentals with bitcoin.

Been running on it's own testnet, and then on the actual testnet, for months and months and months. Troll harder, you might get that Goldman Sachs share option you were promised

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Quote from: Lauda on June 24, 2016, 05:39:56 PM

Quote from: Adrian-x on June 24, 2016, 05:35:11 PM

It's a totally relevant! Rather than test LN and its base code SegWit, (bitcoin's DAO), in the real world befor deploying it on a $10B network

LN's basecode is not Segwit. I'm surprised that you have been fed false information. Segwit is not Bitcoin's DAO and is not even as complicated as some people say that it is. Most of the codebase is just automated testing. LN could be created (AFAIK) without Segwit but it would be much harder.

Quote from: Adrian-x on June 24, 2016, 05:35:11 PM

why shouldn't SegWit be deployed and tested in the real world on an altcoin before being implemented in Bitcoin?

Nobody is preventing altcoins from implementing Segwit. I'm 99% of sure that if the Core developers decided to wait for this 'testing period' that the 'shill campaign' would complain everywhere that Core is stalling progress, fee market panic and other rubbish. Roll Eyes

I know, sure SegWit comes bundled with a bunch of other changes among them the implementation of bitcoin's a scripting language on which LN will be dependant. No need to trust me but it's way more complicated that you alluding too.

I don't see any shilling campaigns maybe you can enlighten us? I do see a bunch of digital influences paid by huge corporate sponsors to create FUD around the dangers of bigger blocks.

I'm glad to see there is no resistance to altcoins implementing Segwit, I suggest Core got on that and do some real world testing before messing with Bitcoin implementation, what do you think about deploying it on the Litecoin network? it shares a lot of fundamentals with bitcoin.

BlindMayorBitcorn

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Quote from: Adrian-x on June 24, 2016, 05:40:35 PM

Quote from: gmaxwell on June 20, 2016, 02:35:33 AM

I know it's "Classic" (and /r/btc) style to spend most of the time talking about Ethereum; but how about we buck that trend and talk about classic instead?

In an ultra rare fit of software development, they've begun to try to add BIP9/68/etc. support to Classic: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/177

But because their "single constant fork" remained anything but and they've diverged from Core and don't seem to know what they're doing-- they've made a fine hairball of it and the tests aren't passing. I wonder if they'll get it working before CSV is live on the network?

I also wonder, since they already released a "0.12.1" which was, if anything, an anti-0.12.1 (ripped out warnings related to the 0.12.1 features it lacked!)-- are they going to call their kludge port 0.13 and claim to be leaders in Bitcoin innovation-- while lacking the half year of development from dozens of people and dozens of features that will be in the real 0.13?

Only time will tell, but I guess that would be consistent with their "Classic" naming practice, enh?

Are you the CTO of Blockstream? you don't sound like a CTO Huh

r/btc is where the uncensored bitcoin discussion happens, who cares about ETH, but for the fact that we can learn from their DAO mistakes.

Roger Ver is knee deep in Ethers. Don't pretend that place isn't what it is.

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Quote from: gmaxwell on June 20, 2016, 02:35:33 AM

I know it's "Classic" (and /r/btc) style to spend most of the time talking about Ethereum; but how about we buck that trend and talk about classic instead?

In an ultra rare fit of software development, they've begun to try to add BIP9/68/etc. support to Classic: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/177

But because their "single constant fork" remained anything but and they've diverged from Core and don't seem to know what they're doing-- they've made a fine hairball of it and the tests aren't passing. I wonder if they'll get it working before CSV is live on the network?

I also wonder, since they already released a "0.12.1" which was, if anything, an anti-0.12.1 (ripped out warnings related to the 0.12.1 features it lacked!)-- are they going to call their kludge port 0.13 and claim to be leaders in Bitcoin innovation-- while lacking the half year of development from dozens of people and dozens of features that will be in the real 0.13?

Only time will tell, but I guess that would be consistent with their "Classic" naming practice, enh?

Are you the CTO of Blockstream? you don't sound like a CTO Huh

r/btc is where the uncensored bitcoin discussion happens, who cares about ETH, but for the fact that we can learn from their DAO mistakes.

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Quote from: Adrian-x on June 24, 2016, 05:35:11 PM

It's a totally relevant! Rather than test LN and its base code SegWit, (bitcoin's DAO), in the real world befor deploying it on a $10B network

LN's basecode is not Segwit. I'm surprised that you have been fed false information. Segwit is not Bitcoin's DAO and is not even as complicated as some people say that it is. Most of the codebase is just automated testing. LN could be created (AFAIK) without Segwit but it would be much harder.

Quote from: Adrian-x on June 24, 2016, 05:35:11 PM

why shouldn't SegWit be deployed and tested in the real world on an altcoin before being implemented in Bitcoin?

Nobody is preventing altcoins from implementing Segwit. I'm 99% of sure that if the Core developers decided to wait for this 'testing period' that the 'shill campaign' would complain everywhere that Core is stalling progress, fee market panic and other rubbish. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Lauda on June 18, 2016, 03:53:58 AM

Quote from: hv_ on June 18, 2016, 03:51:37 AM

Who ensures that LN does not become bitcoins DAO like experience?

That's not really relevant here. Let's all stop any advanced development because an incompetent team failed with their pump & dump coin? I think not. Peer reviews and extensive testing 'ensure' that. Although one can never be 100% sure.

It's a totally relevant! Rather than test LN and its base code SegWit, (bitcoin's DAO), in the real world befor deploying it on a $10B network, why shouldn't SegWit be deployed and tested in the real world on an altcoin before being implemented in Bitcoin?

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aww seems the desperate ph0rkers are digging further with the moronic democrapy shenanigans:

meet their change.org petition: https://www.change.org/p/blockstream-please-raise-the-block-size-to-2mb-now/c

how cute. Grin

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Quote from: Foxpup on June 22, 2016, 11:07:49 PM

Why do things by half measures? Behold, Bitcoin Classic 1.1.0! Grin

That's a horrible manipulation attempt. Additionally, I've recently found out that one of the Classic supporters/developers, Toomin, is in support of blacklisting/coincontrol as proposed in ETH. I wonder what the planned soft-fork for Bitcoin was. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: gmaxwell on June 20, 2016, 02:35:33 AM

I also wonder, since they already released a "0.12.1" which was, if anything, an anti-0.12.1 (ripped out warnings related to the 0.12.1 features it lacked!)-- are they going to call their kludge port 0.13 and claim to be leaders in Bitcoin innovation-- while lacking the half year of development from dozens of people and dozens of features that will be in the real 0.13?

Why do things by half measures? Behold, Bitcoin Classic 1.1.0! Grin

gmaxwell

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I know it's "Classic" (and /r/btc) style to spend most of the time talking about Ethereum; but how about we buck that trend and talk about classic instead?

In an ultra rare fit of software development, they've begun to try to add BIP9/68/etc. support to Classic: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/177

But because their "single constant fork" remained anything but and they've diverged from Core and don't seem to know what they're doing-- they've made a fine hairball of it and the tests aren't passing. I wonder if they'll get it working before CSV is live on the network?

I also wonder, since they already released a "0.12.1" which was, if anything, an anti-0.12.1 (ripped out warnings related to the 0.12.1 features it lacked!)-- are they going to call their kludge port 0.13 and claim to be leaders in Bitcoin innovation-- while lacking the half year of development from dozens of people and dozens of features that will be in the real 0.13?

Only time will tell, but I guess that would be consistent with their "Classic" naming practice, enh?

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Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on June 17, 2016, 07:02:06 PM

Benevolent dictator Vitalik the Great is giving do overs.

The DAO is too big too fail, it is officially being renamed the one true "Sacred CAO".

Honestly, what is Vitalik thinking? He thinks he can go around telling exchanges to stop currency pairs from panic selling? This guy is a complete tool.
ETH is doomed now not because of some smart guy getting advantage of a smart contract (legally), but because now it's clear that ETH has a central banker named Vitalik Buterin.

hv_

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Ceterum censeo BS limitem esse delendam.

Grin

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Quote from: hv_ on June 18, 2016, 04:11:28 AM

Yes, agreed - so 'good' (sorry) thing this happened already and we are alerted.

I'm pretty sure that if there are potentially breaking problems with LN, that they will be discovered early on as it will surely be extensively tested as soon as any version comes live. Even if something starts going wrong (e.g. a bad entity being able to steal money from someone else), that isn't such a huge problem as long as there are no 'bail-outs' as the one proposed in ETH. The bigger problem is losing immutability and decentralization as opposed to losing X amount of funds. People will eventually recover (as we've unfortunately experienced multiple times already, and Mt.Gox is one example of that).

The Classic folks over at r/btc are exploiting this situation to attack Segwit while over-blowing the complexity of it.

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Quote from: Lauda on June 18, 2016, 03:53:58 AM

Quote from: hv_ on June 18, 2016, 03:51:37 AM

Who ensures that LN does not become bitcoins DAO like experience?

That's not really relevant here. Let's all stop any advanced development because an incompetent team failed with their pump & dump coin? I think not. Peer reviews and extensive testing 'ensure' that. Although one can never be 100% sure.

Yes, agreed - so 'good' (sorry) thing this happened already and we are alerted.

Lauda

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Quote from: hv_ on June 18, 2016, 03:51:37 AM

Who ensures that LN does not become bitcoins DAO like experience?

That's not really relevant here. Let's all stop any advanced development because an incompetent team failed with their pump & dump coin? I think not. Peer reviews and extensive testing 'ensure' that. Although one can never be 100% sure.

hv_

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Who ensures that LN does not become bitcoins DAO like experience?

Carlton Banks

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Of course, it's fairly predictable that you would be requesting people to dumb things down for you, it's consistent with your arguing technique, not to mention your expectations of your audience. How inconvenient that not enough people are as dumbed down as you would prefer Cheesy

(thanks for continuing to run your 0.11.1 compatible software, it'd be nice if you could find out why upgrading to software that's compatible with CLTV/CSV/0.12.1 would be more helpful to the network)

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on June 18, 2016, 12:34:20 AM

Quote from: jbreher on June 17, 2016, 07:26:29 PM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on June 17, 2016, 05:55:27 PM

Given up trying to pretend that the stalking-forks perform any role other than (insignificant) minority retrograde Core nodes, jbreher? Typical behaviour; you start one argument (XT), and when that argument turns out to be bullshit, you simply start another (Classic). No point flogging a dead horse, eh?

WTF are you on about, Carlton? I've consistently been a BU sort of a guy - at least since its inception.

What have you switched to now that BU has suffered it's demise? Oh, you still are? Maybe you could fix your grammar, or does all language above the level of elementary education constitute "word salad" to you? Cheesy

Still running BU. Thanks for asking.

Ain't nuttin' rong with my grammer - at leest not abuv. Lern to Engrish.

Carlton Banks

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Quote from: jbreher on June 17, 2016, 07:26:29 PM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on June 17, 2016, 05:55:27 PM

Given up trying to pretend that the stalking-forks perform any role other than (insignificant) minority retrograde Core nodes, jbreher? Typical behaviour; you start one argument (XT), and when that argument turns out to be bullshit, you simply start another (Classic). No point flogging a dead horse, eh?

WTF are you on about, Carlton? I've consistently been a BU sort of a guy - at least since its inception.

What have you switched to now that BU has suffered it's demise? Oh, you still are? Maybe you could fix your grammar, or does all language above the level of elementary education constitute "word salad" to you? Cheesy

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