Topic: [TOP-200] Members who have a lot of earned sMerits - page 9. (Read 26383 times)

Since the new dump of merit transactions has already been published a few hours ago, I updated my post on the first page.

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Thanks for the information. I checked them on the BPIP service made by Vod. It seems that most of them have only been locked. I added zentdex, wex.nz and oracleongoodbye to the list of banned users.

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You're right. hilariousetc and DdmrDdmr earned and distributed a lot of merits. Therefore I edited this sentence. I added the word "immediately".

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satoshi, Hal, laszlo, GameKyuubi are ones of the most famous persons in the cryptocurrency world. I think that there is no need to mark their current inactivity on the forum.

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I use the following formula:


"floor()" is a mathematical function:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floor_and_ceiling_functions

floor(1 merit / 2) = floor(0.5 merit) = 0 merit
floor(2 merit / 2) = floor(1 merit) = 1 merit

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"Max" is the all-time high of the amount of sMerits a user has ever had. It is a peak value of the chart.


Obviously, your merit distribution policy is even and fair. I think that it is normal to have some reserve of sMerits.


This is really a huge amount of unsent sMerits.

I'd like to add that I think most merit sources spend their allocation within a few days. I know I try to do this, because I know that more will arrive tomorrow. If I run short, then I can always spend some from my personal merit bag. This is how I can honour merit promises, even when I have "spent" all my source merits. I think that Theymos stated that if sources hoarded their source merits, then he would remove them, or stop renewing them anyway.

Following the same criteria as in the OP, there are a total of 7.666 users with at least 1 positive available sMerit, adding up to a total of 37.464 sMerits (the original top 200 on the OPs list add up to 11.906 sMerits). We also know that the list cannot take into full consideration the airdropped sMerit, nor the Merit Source originated sMerits (thus all the main Merit Sources have a negative Available Merits score).

Now If the initial sMerit airdrop was of 600K (as per @theymos’s post from a while back), and the currently (as of last Friday) total of sent sMerits is of 274.008, then really the 11.906 sMerits on the OP list are a drop in the ocean comparted to all the theoretical available sMerit forum wide:

 600.000      sMerits Initial Airdrop
-274.008     sent sMerits (Merit Sources and regular forum members)
+137.000    Min estimate generated (first halving taken to its maximum theoretical degree, and not accounting for all the other halvings which I cannot estimate)
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462.992   Total unsent sMerits (*)

We could also add an additional for what the Merit Source aggregate pool may have now, but I don’t want to venture (although we could say at least another 5K-10K sMerits).

Now of course this is a rough estimate, and not all is sendable (inactive users, banned users, etc), but it kind of puts the 11.906 sMerits from the list in the 2,57% area of the total unsent amount of sMerit … Just the tip of the iceberg really. This is more important to me than a nominal shortlist in this case.

I don't go out of way to hunt for merited posts like some users, but I will merit anything I come across that I think is deserving. I took heed of theymos' post a few months ago to increase - since I increased my base merit award from 1 to 2, my amount of available sMerit has been steadily decreasing from above 100 to the 50 or so it is at currently. As you say, I don't see the need to start meriting subpar posts just because I've been named and shamed as being "selfish".



I was including source merit in my statement. There are currently 22 users who have given out over 1000 merit, and many more who have give out hundreds. If OP somehow obtained data regarding source merit and edited his list to reflect this, many of these "most generous merit senders" would appear on his list as being selfish.

It's not gonna be thousands. The most-merited person is LoyceV (satoshi and theymos obviously don't count) with 1319. So that's 859 sMerits if we include airdrop. LoyceV has sent a lot more than 859 so he's not on the list even though he does have remaining sMerits. The list is skewed favorably for merit sources.

I would also argue that at this point (10 months into the merit system and 3 months after the latest expansion) most merit sources should have spent their sMerits to the point where the OP's score would be zero. There is no reason to hoard sMerits except perhaps for below-average source allocations keeping a certain reserve of earned sMerits might make sense.

There is another point. You aren't selfish because you don't give money to lazy beggars, but use it to help people to improve their lives by working.

Looking closer at the list this seems exactly what he has done, completing ignoring airdropped and source sMerit, which seems confirmed by comments like Jet Cash's and LoyceV's which state they have hundreds of sMerits available yet do not appear on the list at all.

Given that this information is private, I'm not sure there is a way to fix OP's list. As I mentioned before, I also don't think it is fair to list merit sources and people who have earned the most merit, who have given out hundreds or even thousands of merits, as being the most "selfish" because they still have a handful of merits still to give.

Looks like your list is wrong because I have 83 smerit

Op can't know how sMerit have sources or how much airdropped merit a source had in the past since those data are private and can't be find anywhere (They can't find only log in the account, maybe admins can see these data with admin privileges).
The only thing that Op can do is:

[Received merits(-1 if odd number)/2] - Sent merits = merits on Bags.

Yes he needs to put -1, since every 2 merits we have 1 merit generated and we can't have 0.5 merit on bags.

The OP doesn't know how much the sources have spent from their allocation vs their earned sMerits, so I'm guessing all of their spending will be subtracted making merit sources less likely to appear on this list.

Maybe OP needs to put one more column with "Last Active:"
Most of the top haven't been online for quite some time and probably will not come back, like Satoshi and Hal.

Seems not banned but locked, he is probably not good to keep his stuff on a safe place. Already got 2 stolen accounts.

Anyone know why TERA2 was banned? I found him irritating but certainly not offensive or nefarious.

Thank you Halab

Yet when spending airdropped sMerit, it is being deducted here.

I believe that merit should be awarded for meritable posts, and that is the driving factor. Rank, religion, ethnicity, inside leg measurement, hair colour, sexual preferences and such factors should not be a consideration. I've awarded merits for fist time posts, and I even gave a couple to Theymos. There is usually a reason for a demoted newbie to be without merits, and sometimes it is because he is frequenting the wrong boards. Sometimes I do go on a promotion to find "0" merit members to reward, and then I look at post history. If I think they are contributing a number of posts that are beneficial to the forum, then I'll reward a couple of them. This is more of an indication of thanks for the members support of the forum,than a reward for those individual posts.

Now you hard done by non-English speakers who complain about the lack of merits, get your mouse and keyboard over to Fit to Talk and collect some of those project merits for Bitcoin Talk.

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@Saint-Loup : Here.

Where is this thread please?

Thats why this is the meta section,and this are forum related issues,thus we can't get enough of them
We've got hundreds of this in the bitcoin discussion section,but sadly most of'em are really poor quality I must say

I can also confirm the sMerit left over to spend is off. I have 38 sMerit available to spend but you have a max of 34. Unless this was done more than a few days ago then it might of not been off.

Try running it again and seeing if you come up with 38 for me instead of 34.