[TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks! - page 4.

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

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Quote from: Welsh on October 13, 2022, 04:35:12 PM

Ultimately, it's theymos who decides on the standard, since they'll remove merit sources if they aren't in line with their vision. However, I don't think there's been too many recent merit sources removed? Plus, some removals may have not been for quality issues.

I think the Merit sources situation is pretty static: I just checked and I can't see difference in the last few month.

Apart from that, I fully agree with you: the important thing is making your Merit Source trickle down in the forum.

Welsh

staff

Activity: 3304

Merit: 4115

Quote from: fillippone on October 13, 2022, 05:07:53 AM

Raising the standard is a difficult balance between helping newbie post, who might haven't got to a good standard (yet) and avoiding disgraceful future situations.

This is the art of being a good merit source, and it is not questionable by others.

Raising the standard is all well, and good, but we don't want it to be so difficult that no one ever ranks up. That's why having merit sources with different views is essential in my opinion. You don't want to standardise the way users give merit, of course having a sort of standard so it doesn't dip low is good, but I think we've already pretty much established that, and the merit system has done a fantastic job at what it was implemented to do.

Ultimately, it's theymos who decides on the standard, since they'll remove merit sources if they aren't in line with their vision. However, I don't think there's been too many recent merit sources removed? Plus, some removals may have not been for quality issues.

Zaguru12

hero member

Activity: 868

Merit: 952

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 11, 2022, 01:01:16 PM

Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 09, 2022, 04:18:53 AM

Don't be discouraged @Fillippone; you and @The Pharmacist both do a lot to assist low-ranking members like myself in rising in the ranks.

I only gave you 3 merits in total, and though your statement is kind of a general one I have to wonder--also in general--how many alt accounts I'm helping to rank up with my post history reviews. I'm not against that per se, but it's something that's crossed my mind. Quite a few of the members who've asked me for help have had very similar writing styles and the vast majority of them post mainly in the Gambling section.

I'm glad I raised my standards for merits recently, else I'd probably be helping the exact opposite types of members I'd intended to when I first made my standing offer. Nothing against you, Zaguru12. Maybe if you had 4 digits after "Zaguru" I might cock an eyebrow, but for now I'll keep my radar on low sensitivity settings.

Actually the 3 merits had came generous from you because I haven't PM yet for a post review. I have been skeptical about it because I feel I don't have the standard of a quality poster yet but I am surely working on it. I don't want to ruin my chances just yet since it might get me been in your ignore list, but I will certainly PM even though I scared to do it now

For the number (12) I hope I haven't gotten on the wrong side of you because of it. Believe me when I say I just have special connection with it and I just love to attach it to my name.

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

Quote from: aysg76 on October 13, 2022, 09:32:51 AM

If we seek about @fillippone then you are helping out many members with your thread and handed out over 4k merits and going beyond your usual merit TX and sending 1,2 or more to different posts to various members so it's not at all possible to check beforehand if they are alt account or not and only focus on post quality of the members only so this is approach we can follow if we are distributing merits at big pace.

The only possibility is to evolve to a fully fledged AI, like other users have already done. But I am an old-fashioned flesh and bone Merit Source.

aysg76

legendary

Activity: 1974

Merit: 2124

Quote from: fillippone on October 13, 2022, 05:07:53 AM

I think nobody can blame you if you merit a post of a n alt-account of a poster who will alter leverage their new rank to do something negative for the community.
Raising the standard is a difficult balance between helping newbie post, who might haven't got to a good standard (yet) and avoiding disgraceful future situations.

This is the art of being a good merit source, and it is not questionable by others.

Exactly when you as a merit source are handing out merits to different accounts you can't check for alt account and only sees if the post quality is good or not and if you find it useful or sharing some relevant contents then you give merits to them.

Speaking about @The Pharmacist then you help lot of members to rank up and have said to PM you for monthly post review so there would generally be lot of members taking this opportunity and asking you to do the same so the only thing you can do is to look at post history so don't blame yourself on this fact and what they will gain with those merits if they get caught? Nothing but your merits were gone to the quality post only so keep up your work .

If we seek about @fillippone then you are helping out many members with your thread and handed out over 4k merits and going beyond your usual merit TX and sending 1,2 or more to different posts to various members so it's not at all possible to check beforehand if they are alt account or not and only focus on post quality of the members only so this is approach we can follow if we are distributing merits at big pace.

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 11, 2022, 01:01:16 PM

Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 09, 2022, 04:18:53 AM

Don't be discouraged @Fillippone; you and @The Pharmacist both do a lot to assist low-ranking members like myself in rising in the ranks.

I only gave you 3 merits in total, and though your statement is kind of a general one I have to wonder--also in general--how many alt accounts I'm helping to rank up with my post history reviews. I'm not against that per se, but it's something that's crossed my mind. Quite a few of the members who've asked me for help have had very similar writing styles and the vast majority of them post mainly in the Gambling section.

I'm glad I raised my standards for merits recently, else I'd probably be helping the exact opposite types of members I'd intended to when I first made my standing offer. Nothing against you, Zaguru12. Maybe if you had 4 digits after "Zaguru" I might cock an eyebrow, but for now I'll keep my radar on low sensitivity settings.

I think nobody can blame you if you merit a post of a n alt-account of a poster who will alter leverage their new rank to do something negative for the community.
Raising the standard is a difficult balance between helping newbie post, who might haven't got to a good standard (yet) and avoiding disgraceful future situations.

This is the art of being a good merit source, and it is not questionable by others.

BlackHatCoiner

legendary

Activity: 1512

Merit: 7340

Farewell, Leo

Quote from: saxydev on October 12, 2022, 04:27:18 AM

But new member should be more welcomed when they are starting their activity here, when they receive appreciation, they stay.

In threads of my interest (Economics, Dev & Tech, Bitcoin Discussion) I encourage newbies who choose to start a new topic, and either have an important question to make, or an idea on behalf of them, or just an interesting project they're working on. But, I agree that I should try more.

Quote from: saxydev on October 12, 2022, 04:27:18 AM

As I see it, as a new member, same users posting everywhere, the new members posting in several threads about discussions (don't have the posts appreciated at all)

These same users are posting everywhere, because apparently, they're encouraged to do so. It's clear that some are a treasure for the community, and that's why they get most of the merits. As for newbies, I strongly disagree that their posts aren't appreciated. Point me at newbies who did share something helpful, interesting, funny, or just entertaining, and didn't get recognized.

Quote from: saxydev on October 12, 2022, 04:27:18 AM

Plus all the drama about what is sent and to whom is sent, I saw threads about 5 merits sent and the user was marked as an abuser.

You're talking about the fundamentally flawed capsule thing? I didn't do any drama. It had just drawn my attention that NotATether, who's a respectable member in technical stuff, found this clear fraud somewhat useful.

ABCbits

legendary

Activity: 2870

Merit: 7490

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Quote from: saxydev on October 12, 2022, 04:27:18 AM

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Not necessarily, we speak about the new members that join and stay arround. And for some reason the stats are terrible, if you put an average of how many users advance to the first rank, which is jr member, 20k users in 4 years is almost nothing.

I get your point, although i'm not sure the stats is that terrible. After all, 78%/2.7 million account either have no post or banned (according to BPIP[1]).

Quote from: saxydev on October 12, 2022, 04:27:18 AM

See cracked.io stats for example.

I found their statistic[2], but didn't find anything about "new members that join and stay around".

[1] https://bpip.org/
[2] https://cracked.io/statistics.php

saxydev

member

Activity: 429

Merit: 52

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: saxydev on October 11, 2022, 11:54:45 AM

So 20k users received at least 1 merit in 4 years.. That's an average of less than 1.5 new members per day that have been rewarded. That's low, that's very low; there is just the problem with the merit busters, merit should be given away, way, way more than it is now.

IMO you made poor conclusion since those 20K user only count newbie and a newbie can receive merit more than once from multiple users. I'd suggest you to see list of recent merit sent[1] and dashboard made by DdmrDdmr
[2] to gain different perspective.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=recent
[2] https://public.tableau.com/views/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/MeritSendersReceivers?:language=en-US&:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

Not necessarily, we speak about the new members that join and stay arround. And for some reason the stats are terrible, if you put an average of how many users advance to the first rank, which is jr member, 20k users in 4 years is almost nothing. See cracked.io stats for example.

@BlackHatCoiner

But new member should be more welcomed when they are starting their activity here, when they receive appreciation, they stay. As I see it, as a new member, same users posting everywhere, the new members posting in several threads about discussions (don't have the posts appreciated at all), but one line posts from old members receive the "merit", it's more like, I will suck your c*ck and I expect you to do the same.

Plus all the drama about what is sent and to whom is sent, I saw threads about 5 merits sent and the user was marked as an abuser.

Let's not forget about all the spam with the gambling signatures, you see them everywhere, they are reading only the OP and 2-3 messages ignoring the entire thread..and they still get paid.

The Sceptical Chymist

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Activity: 3528

Merit: 7005

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Quote from: Zaguru12 on October 09, 2022, 04:18:53 AM

Don't be discouraged @Fillippone; you and @The Pharmacist both do a lot to assist low-ranking members like myself in rising in the ranks.

I only gave you 3 merits in total, and though your statement is kind of a general one I have to wonder--also in general--how many alt accounts I'm helping to rank up with my post history reviews. I'm not against that per se, but it's something that's crossed my mind. Quite a few of the members who've asked me for help have had very similar writing styles and the vast majority of them post mainly in the Gambling section.

I'm glad I raised my standards for merits recently, else I'd probably be helping the exact opposite types of members I'd intended to when I first made my standing offer. Nothing against you, Zaguru12. Maybe if you had 4 digits after "Zaguru" I might cock an eyebrow, but for now I'll keep my radar on low sensitivity settings.

BlackHatCoiner

legendary

Activity: 1512

Merit: 7340

Farewell, Leo

Quote from: saxydev on October 11, 2022, 11:54:45 AM

So 20k users received at least 1 merit in 4 years.. That's an average of less than 1.5 new members per day that have been rewarded.

Taken the fact that most users here are either shitposters or failed AIs, this number is such a decent one.

Quote from: saxydev on October 11, 2022, 11:54:45 AM

The users joining number has to be way higher!

And the users who have actually something interested to share should be quite greater as well. But they aren't.

saxydev

member

Activity: 429

Merit: 52

So 20k users received at least 1 merit in 4 years.. That's an average of less than 1.5 new members per day that have been rewarded. That's low, that's very low; there is just the problem with the merit busters, merit should be given away, way, way more than it is now.

The users joining number has to be way higher! Interested to see how many users registered in the last 4 years and have at least 1 post. If the ratio is more than 3 to 1 on new members posting vs new members posts merited, there is a fundamental problem which may need to be solved. Maybe, perhaps with the merit received when a certain number of activity is reached.

Just saying..

Agbe

legendary

Activity: 1092

Merit: 1364

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 08, 2022, 10:16:52 AM

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Quote from: fillippone on October 08, 2022, 11:08:00 AM

Quote from: Coin-1 on October 08, 2022, 08:47:16 AM

Members who support newbies (September 2022)

	User name	Current rank ^[1]	Quantity of newbies who received merit
58)	fillippone	Legendary	1 newbie

Total supported in September 2022: 159 newbies (by 83 members)

Thank you for the update.
Well, I must say I am quite disappointed by this result.
I hoped to climb the ladder a little bit given the effort I am putting in helping low ranking users with my thread:

[Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed

I must thy harder then!

My Brothers from another Countries. I give you all respect. Thanks for helping others in the forum.
When I first joined the forum it was Ratimov that was helping newbies and other ranks but later he stopped from the thread he created for that purpose, though he is still helping from other boards. That is why when I saw his name on list I was not surprised. Later this year, The Pharmacist also join him with a massive approach to help lower rank members every month then fillippone follow up the good work. One thing I like fillippone is that, he always challenge himself to take the first position or among top 5 in the forum. I believed he was a FIRST CLASS student in his University days.
I believed you guys. Let us see the next table. Best wish to all charitable merit sources

aysg76

legendary

Activity: 1974

Merit: 2124

Quote from: fillippone on October 08, 2022, 11:08:00 AM

Thank you for the update.
Well, I must say I am quite disappointed by this result.
I hoped to climb the ladder a little bit given the effort I am putting in helping low ranking users with my thread:

[Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed

I must thy harder then!

At first I was completely shocked to see that you are not among top 3 members on the list as you have already handed out 4269 merits in the past 120 days which is amazing and out of the box but then I realised this list is for helping newbies only.But as you see it's really hard to give out merits to newbies as there are few only who make constructive posts and as @Ratimov already told you that you need to look for them or you can have one separate thread for helping newbie only and can give you suggestions on this one.

But you already doing well distributing merits on the forum so just relax and you will help more members in coming days I know that fact.

PowerGlove

hero member

Activity: 510

Merit: 4005

Quote from: Coin-1 on October 08, 2022, 08:23:28 AM

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PowerGlove

Full Member

2 newbies

Total supported in July 2022: 172 newbies (by 81 members)

Quote from: Coin-1 on October 08, 2022, 08:47:16 AM

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PowerGlove

Hero Member

1 newbie

Total supported in September 2022: 159 newbies (by 83 members)

I hope I can get better at this in the future, but I don't think that's likely. I would like to merit more newbies than I currently do, but I'm always a bit worried about accidentally rewarding plagiarism and I'm often too lazy to make sure that a post is legit. I would hate to have helped someone rank up if they just end up spamming the forum with shitposts later. I've seen merit being dumped on someone's very first post and that seems like a risky thing to do; I'm grateful that some of my early posts were merited, but I could just as easily have been a shitposter that was trying my luck with a new account and some text that I copied from somewhere else, you know?

This is not a serious suggestion, because I know how unlikely it is to ever be implemented, but I would prefer it if new accounts weren't subject to the normal merit/activity scale for the first 30 activity points, or something; so your "activity" was calculated as it currently is, but with an offset of -30 and you couldn't receive merit until after it crosses into the positive. That way, merit senders would always have a decent sample size before deciding to help someone rank up.

Zaguru12

hero member

Activity: 868

Merit: 952

Quote from: fillippone on October 08, 2022, 11:08:00 AM

Thank you for the update.
Well, I must say I am quite disappointed by this result.
I hoped to climb the ladder a little bit given the effort I am putting in helping low ranking users with my thread:

[Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed

I must thy harder then!

Don't be discouraged @Fillippone; you and @The Pharmacist both do a lot to assist low-ranking members like myself in rising in the ranks. The criteria you laid forth are excellent since they will encourage low-ranking individuals to concentrate more on submitting high-quality articles and answers.

Concerning this score board I think the reason you are not up on the board is because this board only shows the merit sent out to newbies. And looking at this your thread, there are few newbies that actually applied there for the review. If at all this score board isn't just for newbies but for all members then both of you will be right at the top

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

Quote from: Coin-1 on October 08, 2022, 08:47:16 AM

Members who support newbies (September 2022)

	User name	Current rank ^[1]	Quantity of newbies who received merit
58)	fillippone	Legendary	1 newbie

Total supported in September 2022: 159 newbies (by 83 members)

Thank you for the update.
Well, I must say I am quite disappointed by this result.
I hoped to climb the ladder a little bit given the effort I am putting in helping low ranking users with my thread:

[Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed

I must thy harder then!

The Sceptical Chymist

legendary

Activity: 3528

Merit: 7005

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Quote from: Coin-1 on October 08, 2022, 08:58:22 AM

Perhaps the newcomers were more interested in earning merit years earlier.

Yeah, you might be right about that. I've noticed that there are way fewer threads dealing with merits, especially ones started by newbies and/or lower-ranked members who think they've been overlooked by merit-givers, and it's been that way for at least a year, maybe two. More signature space does mean more potential earnings still, right? I don't know if that's true for bounties, but I'm pretty sure it's still the case for bitcoin-paying signature campaigns, so it's sort of puzzling to me why we've seen this trend (not that I'm complaining).

And hey, I "supported" 3 newbies this time around! That's better than I usually do in the ranking, though it's still not how I'd like it to be. Anyway, thanks for the update, Coin-1.

Coin-1

legendary

Activity: 2618

Merit: 2304

I have updated the main list and chart on the first page of this thread.

As I see it, the current angle of the line illustrated in the diagram is gradually becoming more and more horizontal.

I have published statistics for the last four months at the same time. ETFbitcoin leads this TOP-200 in June and August 2022. mole0815 is at the top position in July 2022. xandry is number one in September 2022. Cool

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 18, 2022, 05:11:20 PM

I wouldn't blame anybody for not meriting newbies, especially since so many of them stick to the bounty section and posts by many of them who make posts in other sections just plain suck. Sounds harsh, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who's observed that phenomenon.

You're right. I also noticed this phenomenon. In short, if newbies do not put effort into their posts, they do not deserve any merit. Perhaps the newcomers were more interested in earning merit years earlier.

Coin-1

legendary

Activity: 2618

Merit: 2304

These are the monthly statistics for September 2022 below.

Members who support newbies (September 2022)

	User name	Current rank ^[1]	Quantity of newbies who received merit
1)	xandry	Legendary	16 newbies
2)	ETFbitcoin	Legendary	12 newbies
3)	NotATether	Legendary	11 newbies
4)	LoyceV	Legendary	6 newbies
5)	klarki	Legendary	5 newbies
6)	vapourminer	Legendary	5 newbies
7)	philipma1957	Legendary	4 newbies
8)	mikeywith	Legendary	3 newbies
9)	DdmrDdmr	Legendary	3 newbies
10)	nutildah	Legendary	3 newbies
11)	mole0815	Legendary	3 newbies
12)	nc50lc	Legendary	3 newbies
13)	The Pharmacist	Legendary	3 newbies
14)	Uzairjutt275	Member	2 newbies
15)	tjtonmoy	Member	2 newbies
16)	ThemePen	Full Member	2 newbies
17)	AnotherAlt	Full Member	2 newbies
18)	Vispilio	Legendary	2 newbies
19)	o_e_l_e_o	Legendary	2 newbies
20)	odolvlobo	Legendary	2 newbies
21)	JayJuanGee	Legendary	2 newbies
22)	vv181	Legendary	2 newbies
23)	OgNasty	Legendary	2 newbies
24)	TryNinja	Legendary	2 newbies
25)	hugeblack	Legendary	2 newbies
26)	Ami0	Member	1 newbie
27)	Uruhara	Member	1 newbie
28)	PowerGlove	Hero Member	1 newbie
29)	Die_empty	Sr. Member	1 newbie
30)	Cryptornd	Jr. Member	1 newbie
31)	BRINIRHA	Member	1 newbie
32)	betnomi.com	Member	1 newbie
33)	Hamza2424	Sr. Member	1 newbie
34)	Oluwa-btc	Sr. Member	1 newbie
35)	Outhue	Member	1 newbie
36)	GxSTxV	Full Member	1 newbie
37)	Cryptogreatdane	Full Member	1 newbie
38)	uchegod-21	Sr. Member	1 newbie
39)	wtsimis	Full Member	1 newbie
40)	albert0bsd	Member	1 newbie
41)	SATWAT	Member	1 newbie
42)	Sayeds56	Hero Member	1 newbie
43)	doblezero	Member	1 newbie
44)	BD Crypto	Member	1 newbie
45)	kriminall	Sr. Member	1 newbie
46)	BlackHatCoiner	Legendary	1 newbie
47)	EmmaWu	Member	1 newbie
48)	Stakefast	Member	1 newbie
49)	~DefaultTrust	Sr. Member	1 newbie
50)	Mbitr	Legendary	1 newbie
51)	100bitcoin	Sr. Member	1 newbie
52)	Pmalek	Legendary	1 newbie
53)	LighningCashDev	Member	1 newbie
54)	Kavelj22	Hero Member	1 newbie
55)	Little Mouse	Legendary	1 newbie
56)	The0ldl_lser	Hero Member	1 newbie
57)	DireWolfM14	Legendary	1 newbie
58)	fillippone	Legendary	1 newbie
59)	1miau	Legendary	1 newbie
60)	dkbit98	Legendary	1 newbie
61)	Dewi Aries	Legendary	1 newbie
62)	The Cryptovator	Legendary	1 newbie
63)	lionheart78	Legendary	1 newbie
64)	Invester	Sr. Member	1 newbie
65)	sportsbet.io	Legendary	1 newbie
66)	yudi09	Sr. Member	1 newbie
67)	Royse777	Legendary	1 newbie
68)	eddie13	Legendary	1 newbie
69)	goldkingcoiner	Legendary	1 newbie
70)	Saint-loup	Legendary	1 newbie
71)	bbc.reporter	Legendary	1 newbie
72)	taki183	Full Member	1 newbie
73)	LFC_Bitcoin	Legendary	1 newbie
74)	owlcatz	Legendary	1 newbie
75)	bitbollo	Legendary	1 newbie
76)	Welsh	Legendary	1 newbie
77)	Moeda	Full Member	1 newbie
78)	icopress	Legendary	1 newbie
79)	imhoneer	Legendary	1 newbie
80)	DarkStar_	Legendary	1 newbie
81)	pooya87	Legendary	1 newbie
82)	EFS	Legendary	1 newbie
83)	yahoo62278	Legendary	1 newbie

Total supported in September 2022: 159 newbies (by 83 members)

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