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Quote from: ancafe on May 24, 2024, 12:28:53 AM

It depends on how the individual carries out trading and if trading does not provide financial benefits then it should not be suitable. Unemployment is always associated with not having a job and if you can make money from trading then it shouldn't be a problem. The mistake of many people is to see unemployment in a much narrower aspect because we are considered to be working even though sometimes we don't make any money.

Now there are many models of work that do not require an office, time like general work or uniforms because technology has developed so much. Work can also be done anywhere as long as we know how to take advantage of existing technological sophistication. Unfortunately, society's thinking is sometimes too narrow and trading which can make money is also part of the job even though we manage our own time.

Trading is actually designed to be a side job, hence the fact that it generates profits for those who are skilled traders, then literally it’s considered a job. However, trading can’t be reliable enough if you see it as a major source of income or a sole job, not only because of its unpredictable market, but also because we can’t expect trading to end up profitable at all times, therefore getting a real stable job is still a must.

With regards to people’s thinking about trading, I don’t think that would still matter. You know personally what’s happening in your trading activities, so you’re the only one who can tell if it’s really a job for you or not.

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Quote from: MRY on May 24, 2024, 06:59:18 PM

Exactly because as you said, difficulties may indeed occur because knowledge about the world of trading is still very lacking and it is difficult to determine the right time to buy and sell with the profits we can get. But when we have a high desire and are still willing to study well and record all the trades we make, it will give us the experience to be better than before.

Those who have difficulty in trading certainly cannot carry out analysis well so they don't know the right time to trade and it will be very difficult for us to gain profits from trading so we will continue to experience losses if we don't learn trading well. I agree with you. Of course we have to continue to learn about trading and even those who have experience still experience losses due to the mistakes they make, recording the history of the trading we do, of course we will be able to study this again and if we fail we will be able to fix it.

It's true what others are saying here, and it doesn't mean that you study that immediately. Of course, you or we will go back and forth on what we have studied until the day comes when we have an understanding of the trading that we informed you of so that we can have a chance to earn here.

It's really different because we have the money we draw to buy crypto assets that we think can produce profit for us as traders.
Even if it is said that we are also employed here,.

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Quote from: electronicash on April 28, 2024, 05:24:09 PM

you will only be considered better when you bring much money to the family. whether you see yourself as self-employed because you trade or just unemployed it doesn't matter to the eyes of those who judge you. if you don't wear your pants, you're unemployed that's what they see. you can either ignore them and mind your own business.

or let them know you pay your rent yourself or contribute to the family and it comes from your pocket because you have a job online. you just have to show your achievements, those kinds of people are materialistic, they need to see your expensive car. Grin

And the truth is nobody cares. Traders should work hard.

Traders should do whatever it takes to provide the basic necessities for their families. In the world we live in now, no one should get bothered about being called unemployed. Roll up your sleeves and work really hard because only people who matters are your family and parents.

I also like to think that any trader who doesn't want to be called unemployed should change their routine.

The trader can also set up a small websites to write about training and everything about.

I like your words, in this fast and tough era, everyone has to cover their ears when someone else makes fun of their way of earning money to feed their family

If you make money stably and are able to provide for your family through trading then just do it and don't listen to other people, just focus on what you are doing and make yourself a master every day

Sometimes hearing out things around isnt really that good anymore specially if you do hear up those discouraging words from other people on which we could really be able to say that those are those individuals
are really that not making themselves that effective or profitable with trading. Yes, its true that as long you could really be able to make money with trading neither being that your main source or side income
then continue on doing it and dont let others be influencing you on the things that you are currently doing. There are really just those people who are really that giving out those words or piece of advise but ending up
on not to be profitable.Mind your own business and you continue on where you do make money because not all would really be on the same state when it comes to this manner.

Trading couldnt really be a replacement for job but pretty sure that there are really those individuals who are really that making money with it. If you are really just that
good when it comes to it then continue and proceed.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on May 02, 2024, 04:03:23 PM

Quote from: electronicash on April 28, 2024, 05:24:09 PM

you will only be considered better when you bring much money to the family. whether you see yourself as self-employed because you trade or just unemployed it doesn't matter to the eyes of those who judge you. if you don't wear your pants, you're unemployed that's what they see. you can either ignore them and mind your own business.

or let them know you pay your rent yourself or contribute to the family and it comes from your pocket because you have a job online. you just have to show your achievements, those kinds of people are materialistic, they need to see your expensive car. Grin

And the truth is nobody cares. Traders should work hard.

Traders should do whatever it takes to provide the basic necessities for their families. In the world we live in now, no one should get bothered about being called unemployed. Roll up your sleeves and work really hard because only people who matters are your family and parents.

I also like to think that any trader who doesn't want to be called unemployed should change their routine.

The trader can also set up a small websites to write about training and everything about.

I like your words, in this fast and tough era, everyone has to cover their ears when someone else makes fun of their way of earning money to feed their family

If you make money stably and are able to provide for your family through trading then just do it and don't listen to other people, just focus on what you are doing and make yourself a master every day

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As you rightly said, OP. Trading is both a full time and part term job depending on the individual. Some persons leave and fend off from Trading only while others Trade along side there jobs/business..
My take is, Traders are self employed of which you trade when you want to, and all activities are subjective to your demand.

Even as a Trader you can still have side hustle or work to keep you up in financing especially if you ain't profitable yet, nevertheless it depends on how you wanna build your financial wall.

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Quote from: MissNonFall9 on May 20, 2024, 07:27:48 PM

The trend of our society is to consistently live a routine life under someone's supervision or for an organization. A person who gets a job and a fixed salary is called a worker but the rest are called unemployed. This is a very disgusting thing. I have a friend who finished a master's degree without applying for a job and ended up running a large grocery store. His grocer's shop was remarkable in the whole bazaar where everyone shopped from there and he earned a lot of money from it even though the people of his village said he was unemployed. Isn't that funny?

Wow, how can people around your village say that a man who makes money from the grocery business is unemployed! Aren't they crazy!

you are what you think and do, not what you hear or are directed at, every successful person must have a strong attitude and firm principles, he is not easily shaken even by the worst news, let the people around him tell us what we are, but what what we do is make money and make money, people don't know that the internet has become a gold mine now.

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Quote from: xmonkeyx on May 24, 2024, 05:07:23 AM

I agree that many people mistakenly consider trading as a hobby or casual activity. However, trading can be classified as self-employment because it is a serious job. The Big Indonesian Dictionary says that people who work for themselves are called entrepreneurs.
A trader is his own boss. Since the market is unpredictable and constantly changing, it is recommended that traders have a stable secondary income to support their finances. By having a stable secondary income, you can maintain financial stability and reduce the risks that may arise from trading.
Don't be influenced by other people's opinions. If you feel comfortable trading and making consistent profits, keep working towards becoming a professional trader. Learn and improve your skills. Grin

What you say actually makes sense without having to refer to any big dictionary. Because in real life examples, it is quite clear that any trader would be better off if they had a stable secondary source of income in order to feel comfortable when trading for a long time on any stock exchange. So the option to have another source of income that can support the trading activities we are currently engaged in is a pretty good option if we can always focus on both of them on a daily basis.

- If you are an independent person and you do not have a regular job and you only rely on the extra income you have, and you enter this type of trading industry, it is quite a big challenge for this type of person. Because of course as you said at the beginning it will be extra to spend it on us while we learn trading in this field of cryptocurrency.

It's a bit difficult at the beginning, because you won't be able to make a profit in trading right away. Unless what we do in the beginning is long-term while studying it first. And at the same time extra income is made to sustain all the expenses we need on a daily basis.

Exactly because as you said, difficulties may indeed occur because knowledge about the world of trading is still very lacking and it is difficult to determine the right time to buy and sell with the profits we can get. But when we have a high desire and are still willing to study well and record all the trades we make, it will give us the experience to be better than before.

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Quote from: blckhawk on May 24, 2024, 04:32:38 AM

It will depend though, I mean not everyone has the ability to focus on two things and we all know that trading requires you a laser focus and some more dedication because that's where the money is and you can't really afford to trade when you're exhausted from your work so technically if you want to really do things the right way with trading, you're probably going to have to let go of your job to do trading full-time, it's not recommended but that's just how it is, my point is that even if we don't generalize, we can never be too sure that this isn't the truth and that most of the time, unemployment for most traders is an inevitability.

It is almost impossible for everyone to focus on two things simultaneously but trading can often be done part-time rather than full-time. There may be less profit margin. We know that there is no other motivation in the world over money, money is what releases people's tiredness. Since there is money in trading, a person can spend some time doing any other work. But there have to be limited expectations.

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Quote from: CageMabok on May 24, 2024, 05:18:05 AM

Quote from: xmonkeyx on May 24, 2024, 05:07:23 AM

I agree that many people mistakenly consider trading as a hobby or casual activity. However, trading can be classified as self-employment because it is a serious job. The Big Indonesian Dictionary says that people who work for themselves are called entrepreneurs.
A trader is his own boss. Since the market is unpredictable and constantly changing, it is recommended that traders have a stable secondary income to support their finances. By having a stable secondary income, you can maintain financial stability and reduce the risks that may arise from trading.
Don't be influenced by other people's opinions. If you feel comfortable trading and making consistent profits, keep working towards becoming a professional trader. Learn and improve your skills. Grin

What you say actually makes sense without having to refer to any big dictionary. Because in real life examples, it is quite clear that any trader would be better off if they had a stable secondary source of income in order to feel comfortable when trading for a long time on any stock exchange. So the option to have another source of income that can support the trading activities we are currently engaged in is a pretty good option if we can always focus on both of them on a daily basis.

- If you are an independent person and you do not have a regular job and you only rely on the extra income you have, and you enter this type of trading industry, it is quite a big challenge for this type of person. Because of course as you said at the beginning it will be extra to spend it on us while we learn trading in this field of cryptocurrency.

It's a bit difficult at the beginning, because you won't be able to make a profit in trading right away. Unless what we do in the beginning is long-term while studying it first. And at the same time extra income is made to sustain all the expenses we need on a daily basis.

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Quote from: xmonkeyx on May 24, 2024, 05:07:23 AM

I agree that many people mistakenly consider trading as a hobby or casual activity. However, trading can be classified as self-employment because it is a serious job. The Big Indonesian Dictionary says that people who work for themselves are called entrepreneurs.
A trader is his own boss. Since the market is unpredictable and constantly changing, it is recommended that traders have a stable secondary income to support their finances. By having a stable secondary income, you can maintain financial stability and reduce the risks that may arise from trading.
Don't be influenced by other people's opinions. If you feel comfortable trading and making consistent profits, keep working towards becoming a professional trader. Learn and improve your skills. Grin

What you say actually makes sense without having to refer to any big dictionary. Because in real life examples, it is quite clear that any trader would be better off if they had a stable secondary source of income in order to feel comfortable when trading for a long time on any stock exchange. So the option to have another source of income that can support the trading activities we are currently engaged in is a pretty good option if we can always focus on both of them on a daily basis.

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Quote from: chigo on April 28, 2024, 04:39:57 PM

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There are still many who think that trading activities are just fun and not a job, but trading is work, trading is categorized as self-employed or in the big dictionary -> people who work for themselves, so traders immediately refute those who think you are unemployed just because they don't see you have a boss, you are your own boss, don't be discouraged by what they say, if you are very comfortable and get consistent profits then keep it because when you try to find work out there, you it will only waste your opportunity to become a professional trader.

However, traders are advised to have a fairly stable side income to support their finances because the market always moves freely and unpredictably.

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I agree that many people mistakenly consider trading as a hobby or casual activity. However, trading can be classified as self-employment because it is a serious job. The Big Indonesian Dictionary says that people who work for themselves are called entrepreneurs.
A trader is his own boss. Since the market is unpredictable and constantly changing, it is recommended that traders have a stable secondary income to support their finances. By having a stable secondary income, you can maintain financial stability and reduce the risks that may arise from trading.
Don't be influenced by other people's opinions. If you feel comfortable trading and making consistent profits, keep working towards becoming a professional trader. Learn and improve your skills. Grin

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It will depend though, I mean not everyone has the ability to focus on two things and we all know that trading requires you a laser focus and some more dedication because that's where the money is and you can't really afford to trade when you're exhausted from your work so technically if you want to really do things the right way with trading, you're probably going to have to let go of your job to do trading full-time, it's not recommended but that's just how it is, my point is that even if we don't generalize, we can never be too sure that this isn't the truth and that most of the time, unemployment for most traders is an inevitability.

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Quote from: lalabotax on May 18, 2024, 04:38:28 PM

Quote from: Viscore on May 18, 2024, 04:32:36 PM

Being unemployed means you don’t have any sources that provide you an income, thus you might be only doing things but are not profitable on your part.

This is clear understanding in the very simple statement.
Yes, the point is, unemployment means someone doesn't make money. If you are still able to make money, that means the person is trying. In fact, even if a person is not yet able to earn money but he is working or trying, he still cannot be said to be unemployed.

It's just that, in fact, in society, perhaps sometimes there is still a strong relationship with what is called work:
Wearing a uniform - leaving for work - coming home in the afternoon - there's an appointment - a clear place of work - there's a definite salary every month - there's a pay slip.

Meanwhile, others are considered to be doing unclear work and unemployment, or worse still, in my place, worshiping the devil to get money. Grin

The statement is very clear, those who spend time working and exert some effort are employed (by themselves or by other people). Therefore, although we can't say that trading is not a good choice but at least, it gives those who are looking for something, a way to earn money while looking for a stable job to land with.

Well, it is just the fact that some people confuse themselves while trading because they think that being an employed person's money is certain. But unfortunately, trading can't ensure such a thing.

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It depends on how the individual carries out trading and if trading does not provide financial benefits then it should not be suitable. Unemployment is always associated with not having a job and if you can make money from trading then it shouldn't be a problem. The mistake of many people is to see unemployment in a much narrower aspect because we are considered to be working even though sometimes we don't make any money.

Now there are many models of work that do not require an office, time like general work or uniforms because technology has developed so much. Work can also be done anywhere as long as we know how to take advantage of existing technological sophistication. Unfortunately, society's thinking is sometimes too narrow and trading which can make money is also part of the job even though we manage our own time.

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Quote from: Vinaa77 on May 18, 2024, 09:02:12 PM

Quote from: Viscore on May 18, 2024, 04:32:36 PM

Quote from: YOSHIE on May 14, 2024, 09:41:50 AM

Crypto trading and unemployment are two different problems, where someone is an expert and understands crypto trading, of course this activity can become a job that makes him a lot of money every day, that's for sure, but it applies to those who are experts in that field/trade.

On the other hand, for those who do not understand trading at all, they only know, they have never studied, they immediately want to trade, If that happens, I'm sure that trading could result in unemployment and disaster for him, the understanding of these two factors depends on how they do it.

Being unemployed means you don’t have any sources that provide you an income, thus you might be only doing things but are not profitable on your part. However, if you are employed, means you are working on a certain job that pays once you’re done, or you end up profiting out from doing the task successfully. Trading could only be a passion that is not making profits or it turns into a job that is giving you consistent income. It depends on how a trader is performing it.

Everyone who has worked will definitely receive rewards, both big and small, which is very different from those who are unemployed and don't try anything and therefore can't have an income. If only they were willing to try, they would definitely be able to get results from their efforts, both in large and small amounts.
To get good results from trading, of course they must be able to master trading well so they can gain profits from the trading they do, because without mastering trading well it is of course difficult to get satisfactory results in the trading we do and in the future. In my opinion, trading is a job, of course it will be very risky if we don't have other income, because in my opinion it is difficult to get a steady income from trading and it would be better to make trading a job that provides additional income.

Trading for me is like a tedious job as you need to be in front of your computer all the time. Sometimes if you fail to consider one aspect of that coin, you can easily lose some. So don't consider that you are unemployed if you are always on the computer trying hard to make some profits. Unemployed are those who are not looking for jobs even side jobs to earn a lil bit of income. If you are earning some, then, in some way, you are employed.

Do remember, unemployed individual mostly is seeking for work. But if you are a trader and you are not looking for work, then, you can consider yourself employed in your own manner. It is not just the typical job everyone knows.

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Quote from: lalabotax on May 18, 2024, 04:38:28 PM

Quote from: Viscore on May 18, 2024, 04:32:36 PM

Being unemployed means you don’t have any sources that provide you an income, thus you might be only doing things but are not profitable on your part.

This is clear understanding in the very simple statement.
Yes, the point is, unemployment means someone doesn't make money. If you are still able to make money, that means the person is trying. In fact, even if a person is not yet able to earn money but he is working or trying, he still cannot be said to be unemployed.

It's just that, in fact, in society, perhaps sometimes there is still a strong relationship with what is called work:
Wearing a uniform - leaving for work - coming home in the afternoon - there's an appointment - a clear place of work - there's a definite salary every month - there's a pay slip.

Meanwhile, others are considered to be doing unclear work and unemployment, or worse still, in my place, worshiping the devil to get money. Grin

The trend of our society is to consistently live a routine life under someone's supervision or for an organization. A person who gets a job and a fixed salary is called a worker but the rest are called unemployed. This is a very disgusting thing. I have a friend who finished a master's degree without applying for a job and ended up running a large grocery store. His grocer's shop was remarkable in the whole bazaar where everyone shopped from there and he earned a lot of money from it even though the people of his village said he was unemployed. Isn't that funny?

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Quote from: Viscore on May 18, 2024, 04:32:36 PM

Quote from: YOSHIE on May 14, 2024, 09:41:50 AM

Crypto trading and unemployment are two different problems, where someone is an expert and understands crypto trading, of course this activity can become a job that makes him a lot of money every day, that's for sure, but it applies to those who are experts in that field/trade.

On the other hand, for those who do not understand trading at all, they only know, they have never studied, they immediately want to trade, If that happens, I'm sure that trading could result in unemployment and disaster for him, the understanding of these two factors depends on how they do it.

Being unemployed means you don’t have any sources that provide you an income, thus you might be only doing things but are not profitable on your part. However, if you are employed, means you are working on a certain job that pays once you’re done, or you end up profiting out from doing the task successfully. Trading could only be a passion that is not making profits or it turns into a job that is giving you consistent income. It depends on how a trader is performing it.

Everyone who has worked will definitely receive rewards, both big and small, which is very different from those who are unemployed and don't try anything and therefore can't have an income. If only they were willing to try, they would definitely be able to get results from their efforts, both in large and small amounts.
To get good results from trading, of course they must be able to master trading well so they can gain profits from the trading they do, because without mastering trading well it is of course difficult to get satisfactory results in the trading we do and in the future. In my opinion, trading is a job, of course it will be very risky if we don't have other income, because in my opinion it is difficult to get a steady income from trading and it would be better to make trading a job that provides additional income.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 18, 2024, 04:32:36 PM

Being unemployed means you don’t have any sources that provide you an income, thus you might be only doing things but are not profitable on your part.

This is clear understanding in the very simple statement.
Yes, the point is, unemployment means someone doesn't make money. If you are still able to make money, that means the person is trying. In fact, even if a person is not yet able to earn money but he is working or trying, he still cannot be said to be unemployed.

It's just that, in fact, in society, perhaps sometimes there is still a strong relationship with what is called work:
Wearing a uniform - leaving for work - coming home in the afternoon - there's an appointment - a clear place of work - there's a definite salary every month - there's a pay slip.

Meanwhile, others are considered to be doing unclear work and unemployment, or worse still, in my place, worshiping the devil to get money. Grin

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Quote from: YOSHIE on May 14, 2024, 09:41:50 AM

Quote from: chigo on April 28, 2024, 04:39:57 PM

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Crypto trading and unemployment are two different problems, where someone is an expert and understands crypto trading, of course this activity can become a job that makes him a lot of money every day, that's for sure, but it applies to those who are experts in that field/trade.

On the other hand, for those who do not understand trading at all, they only know, they have never studied, they immediately want to trade, If that happens, I'm sure that trading could result in unemployment and disaster for him, the understanding of these two factors depends on how they do it.

Being unemployed means you don’t have any sources that provide you an income, thus you might be only doing things but are not profitable on your part. However, if you are employed, means you are working on a certain job that pays once you’re done, or you end up profiting out from doing the task successfully. Trading could only be a passion that is not making profits or it turns into a job that is giving you consistent income. It depends on how a trader is performing it.

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Trading is a broad subject, to be honest, but it's not easy to learn. That's the honest truth about things like what we're talking about here. There are things to consider when we study it or anyone else. Though it cannot be denied that it can really be a tool for us to get profit, it can also be a way for us to lose money or capital in the end if we are negligent traders.

I can also say that being a trader in any sector, whether online or traditional, can be considered to have similarities to being a worker on a trading platform. But if you are in crypto, maybe you can say that you are a freelancer, because we don't have an employer here, but we have to work for it, take time, and use the internet in a short amount of time.

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