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Quote from: ChronoLite on December 10, 2016, 02:28:46 AM

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Quote from: iamTom123 on December 09, 2016, 10:52:54 AM

Well, I partly agree with that statement but that is precisely the big reason why we have a very big business trading...the volatility of the market can be a factor why a trader will earn money and of course lose money on the other side of the fence. Trading is not for everybody though anybody can be a trader with the help of the internet and new technologies.

all is indeed an option. we are free to choose us. to be a trader or not it is the best choice. however I think that the trader was a very nice job. This is a job to observe price movements up and down an investment.

Was? . Do you mean trading isn't a nice job now? .
It's not as simple like you said , checking time by time the price
movements and sell it on the right time for gain the profit there are something
"surprise"might be happened on the trading market like bot coming up or panic sell.

Yes, precisely, trading is not that easy money making job, you need your luck, knowledge and skill on making it into trading now since there are many speculation, just be wise and be tricky on how you choose things.

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Quote from: dhampir-D on December 10, 2016, 06:46:43 PM

The hard part is certainly having the right timing, to buy at the lowest possible price, and sell at the best rates. This requires knowledge, so it's necessary to put some effort into it. Experience also helps... after a good time trading it is possible to change the perception of things and make better trades.

To be honest, I think that the best contributing factor to profitable trading is not perfect timing, deep knowledge, vast experience and all such things but rather simple and straightforward growth in price, so you can safely buy a pile of bitcoins and then start selling them in small portions till you eventually run out of coins...

Then rinse, repeat

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The hard part is certainly having the right timing, to buy at the lowest possible price, and sell at the best rates. This requires knowledge, so it's necessary to put some effort into it. Experience also helps... after a good time trading it is possible to change the perception of things and make better trades.

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Quote from: iqlimasyadiqa on December 09, 2016, 11:16:22 AM

Quote from: iamTom123 on December 09, 2016, 10:52:54 AM

Well, I partly agree with that statement but that is precisely the big reason why we have a very big business trading...the volatility of the market can be a factor why a trader will earn money and of course lose money on the other side of the fence. Trading is not for everybody though anybody can be a trader with the help of the internet and new technologies.

all is indeed an option. we are free to choose us. to be a trader or not it is the best choice. however I think that the trader was a very nice job. This is a job to observe price movements up and down an investment.

Was? . Do you mean trading isn't a nice job now? . It's not as simple like you said , checking time by time the price movements and sell it on the right time for gain the profit there are something "surprise"might be happened on the trading market like bot coming up or panic sell.

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Quote from: iqlimasyadiqa on December 05, 2016, 11:11:00 AM

trading is a very challenging job and also bring in huge profits. trading the same as an ordinary job. we must focus and continue to work with passion to get the desired results. trading is a normal job. we could be happy with being a traders.

right ... with the trade we can get what we want, but we have to understand also the risk of the trade itself

Yes that is why we must do cut lost because of risk losing bitcoin and keeps low losing in trading activity,
But the amount of lost must low than amount of profit.
If we can do it, although trading is high risk our bitcoins will growing up and we can get what we want, unfortunately it is hard to doing, the traders needs practice until get profit from trading.

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Quote from: serjent05 on December 09, 2016, 11:53:25 AM

Quote from: iamTom123 on December 09, 2016, 10:52:54 AM

Well, I partly agree with that statement but that is precisely the big reason why we have a very big business trading...the volatility of the market can be a factor why a trader will earn money and of course lose money on the other side of the fence. Trading is not for everybody though anybody can be a trader with the help of the internet and new technologies.

Well I agree that trading is not for everybody though everbody can "trade". The fact that not everyone knows how to make a successful trade is beneficial to those who knows how. Reason is that, this people who does not know how to trade will lose money while those who know how to trade can just catch those money lose by newbie traders. It is alway an equilibrium, someone lose and someon win. So people who are veterans in this industry always invites newbie and make it so easy so that whenever this new comer took the bait, it is late for them to noticed that trading is not for them.

You are right on some points but not actually those newbie traders are just food for veteran traders. Its never too late to engage into trading since it will exist for longer periods of time as long there are currencies that are being trade off.Theres always does a equilibrium on most things. Trading is really an unpredictable job because of the endless tug of war of both sellers and buyers.

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Quote from: iamTom123 on December 09, 2016, 10:52:54 AM

Well, I partly agree with that statement but that is precisely the big reason why we have a very big business trading...the volatility of the market can be a factor why a trader will earn money and of course lose money on the other side of the fence. Trading is not for everybody though anybody can be a trader with the help of the internet and new technologies.

Well I agree that trading is not for everybody though everbody can "trade". The fact that not everyone knows how to make a successful trade is beneficial to those who knows how. Reason is that, this people who does not know how to trade will lose money while those who know how to trade can just catch those money lose by newbie traders. It is alway an equilibrium, someone lose and someon win. So people who are veterans in this industry always invites newbie and make it so easy so that whenever this new comer took the bait, it is late for them to noticed that trading is not for them.

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Quote from: iamTom123 on December 09, 2016, 10:52:54 AM

Well, I partly agree with that statement but that is precisely the big reason why we have a very big business trading...the volatility of the market can be a factor why a trader will earn money and of course lose money on the other side of the fence. Trading is not for everybody though anybody can be a trader with the help of the internet and new technologies.

all is indeed an option. we are free to choose us. to be a trader or not it is the best choice. however I think that the trader was a very nice job. This is a job to observe price movements up and down an investment.

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Well, I partly agree with that statement but that is precisely the big reason why we have a very big business trading...the volatility of the market can be a factor why a trader will earn money and of course lose money on the other side of the fence. Trading is not for everybody though anybody can be a trader with the help of the internet and new technologies.

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Quote from: morantis on December 09, 2016, 03:27:47 AM

Quote from: Natalim on December 09, 2016, 03:23:05 AM

Quote from: Coinduet on December 09, 2016, 02:45:01 AM

I don't know how much true your opinion! But I see some people they are not lose there Bitcoin on trading.I read a tutorial that be confident me. This is the the link: http://coinduet.com/index.php?p=/discussion/29/how-profitable-it-is-automated-bitcoin-trading#latest

There are actually some people who are successful in trading and also you do failed to credit that there also traders who failed. With that being said, we can tell that trading is not for everyone and since it's very unpredictable you have to be skilled enough to read the market movement to make the right prediction and be profitable.

I think that "unpredictable" is perhaps a slightly wrong term....technically, given enough data and enough "processing power" so to speak, the human brain could predict every moment in the market, it is controlled by people, that while they may seem illogical, do follow a course of action that could be predicted. By the same token, a smart enough human could predict exactly where a dropped marble would end up based on the myriad of physics vectors in the room. it is predictable, just beyond our scope

I think it is impossible to do with whatever "processing power" you might have

Nassim Taleb described this very well in his book on Black Swans. In short, with ever increasing processing power you will be unsuccessfully analyzing small changes that will cause dramatic effects (see Butterfly Effect). I could also add that even if you could somehow address that issue, purely hypothetically, you still wouldn't be able to completely analyze your own impact on the market (since it is assumed that you will be actively participating in it yourself)

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Quote from: Natalim on December 09, 2016, 03:23:05 AM

Quote from: Coinduet on December 09, 2016, 02:45:01 AM

I don't know how much true your opinion! But I see some people they are not lose there Bitcoin on trading.I read a tutorial that be confident me. This is the the link: http://coinduet.com/index.php?p=/discussion/29/how-profitable-it-is-automated-bitcoin-trading#latest

There are actually some people who are successful in trading and also you do failed to credit that there also traders who failed. With that being said, we can tell that trading is not for everyone and since it's very unpredictable you have to be skilled enough to read the market movement to make the right prediction and be profitable.

The nature of trading remains unpredictable even for professional traders but only with their experience they are able to tackle and turn it profitable. So continuous success in trading is not possible for any trader. If it happens then there will be no room for beginners.

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Quote from: Natalim on December 09, 2016, 03:23:05 AM

Quote from: Coinduet on December 09, 2016, 02:45:01 AM

I don't know how much true your opinion! But I see some people they are not lose there Bitcoin on trading.I read a tutorial that be confident me. This is the the link: http://coinduet.com/index.php?p=/discussion/29/how-profitable-it-is-automated-bitcoin-trading#latest

There are actually some people who are successful in trading and also you do failed to credit that there also traders who failed. With that being said, we can tell that trading is not for everyone and since it's very unpredictable you have to be skilled enough to read the market movement to make the right prediction and be profitable.

I think that "unpredictable" is perhaps a slightly wrong term....technically, given enough data and enough "processing power" so to speak, the human brain could predict every moment in the market, it is controlled by people, that while they may seem illogical, do follow a course of action that could be predicted. By the same token, a smart enough human could predict exactly where a dropped marble would end up based on the myriad of physics vectors in the room. it is predictable, just beyond our scope.

that being said, if you can get it right more than 75% of the time, and never fully invest in anything, no matter how good the numbers look, then you will slowly profit over time. it is when we get greedy and try to push that profit level too hard and too quick that we lose bearing and lose big time

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Quote from: Coinduet on December 09, 2016, 02:45:01 AM

I don't know how much true your opinion! But I see some people they are not lose there Bitcoin on trading.I read a tutorial that be confident me. This is the the link: http://coinduet.com/index.php?p=/discussion/29/how-profitable-it-is-automated-bitcoin-trading#latest

There are actually some people who are successful in trading and also you do failed to credit that there also traders who failed. With that being said, we can tell that trading is not for everyone and since it's very unpredictable you have to be skilled enough to read the market movement to make the right prediction and be profitable.

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I don't know how much true your opinion! But I see some people they are not lose there Bitcoin on trading.I read a tutorial that be confident me. This is the the link: http://coinduet.com/index.php?p=/discussion/29/how-profitable-it-is-automated-bitcoin-trading#latest

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Quote from: MWesterweele on December 06, 2016, 10:59:01 AM

Quote from: densuj on August 01, 2016, 06:46:33 AM

There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?

Trading actually is hardest thing you can do in internet because you can't predict what will be the coins price will be. And it will cost you too much when you buy the wrong coin and it will be died in a week my method is i always joined in group chat in facebook to get updated on what coins they going to buy.

For securing yourself from scam coins you only join chat group and you know the expert traders do a lot of research for the coins which they wanted to invest in and after fully satisfied from that coin they invest in there so if you learn better about trading concepts and other tricks then you will be awared from scam coins and will not invest in coins which will die sooner.

You are right but sometimes we face some expert scammers who even scam these expert traders just like LIR developers who were acting like much expert developers and were acting as most trust-able people but when they got their money with the coin they escape away taking the money from the investors.

It is because of there are no rules for developers of coins and right now the developers use ICO for trading altcoins and i have made thread about the ICO's issues https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17115468

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Quote from: iqlimasyadiqa on December 05, 2016, 11:11:00 AM

trading is a very challenging job and also bring in huge profits. trading the same as an ordinary job. we must focus and continue to work with passion to get the desired results. trading is a normal job. we could be happy with being a traders.

right ... with the trade we can get what we want, but we have to understand also the risk of the trade itself

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Quote from: PacePay on December 06, 2016, 04:26:30 PM

Quote from: Superways on December 06, 2016, 03:54:37 PM

Quote from: MWesterweele on December 06, 2016, 10:59:01 AM

Quote from: densuj on August 01, 2016, 06:46:33 AM

There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?

Trading actually is hardest thing you can do in internet because you can't predict what will be the coins price will be. And it will cost you too much when you buy the wrong coin and it will be died in a week my method is i always joined in group chat in facebook to get updated on what coins they going to buy.

For securing yourself from scam coins you only join chat group and you know the expert traders do a lot of research for the coins which they wanted to invest in and after fully satisfied from that coin they invest in there so if you learn better about trading concepts and other tricks then you will be awared from scam coins and will not invest in coins which will die sooner.

You are right but sometimes we face some expert scammers who even scam these expert traders just like LIR developers who were acting like much expert developers and were acting as most trust-able people but when they got their money with the coin they escape away taking the money from the investors.

Usually scam coins or shitcoins are new coins and i never trade them, for safe from developers scammer i choose the coins that be survive more than 5 months on exchangers.
But for more safe from scam coins use it https://coinmarketcap.com/ for reference about altcoins that will be traded, usually i used it because of the coins on there are not scam coins are like new coins.

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Quote from: iqlimasyadiqa on December 05, 2016, 11:11:00 AM

trading is a very challenging job and also bring in huge profits. trading the same as an ordinary job. we must focus and continue to work with passion to get the desired results. trading is a normal job. we could be happy with being a traders.

Yes its very hard to predict most of the time because fluctuation is there always and so unpredictable. We cannot decide immediately when to buy or sell due to its erratic trend and you need more analysis specially when it goes down frequently and seldom it goes up. A lot of challenges with trading may encounter and if your lack of information inputs a possibility of failures will happen.

That's right. It will require a lot of analyzation, May it be quite comfortable with it. The expert can do it. As this time there are no people will predict bitcoin will always shoot ups(a little maybe).
Every information in the trading job was vulnerability it's not a definite information. We need a lot of research for do this.

Yes only the analysis and researches will get as some chances to predict bitcoin price movements. A lot of people are struggling in this part and they are not finding time to learn the technical analysis. As long as people are failing to learn technical analysis, they will keep on saying trading as an unpredictable job.

Yes when the mistakes are within us how we can blame bitcoin trading as unpredictable job. When we are enough skilled to predict bitcoin price levels then we never worry about the unpredictability of bitcoin price movements. I agree bitcoin trading is an unpredictable job but not for all the traders.

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Quote from: Superways on December 06, 2016, 03:54:37 PM

Quote from: MWesterweele on December 06, 2016, 10:59:01 AM

Quote from: densuj on August 01, 2016, 06:46:33 AM

There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?

Trading actually is hardest thing you can do in internet because you can't predict what will be the coins price will be. And it will cost you too much when you buy the wrong coin and it will be died in a week my method is i always joined in group chat in facebook to get updated on what coins they going to buy.

For securing yourself from scam coins you only join chat group and you know the expert traders do a lot of research for the coins which they wanted to invest in and after fully satisfied from that coin they invest in there so if you learn better about trading concepts and other tricks then you will be awared from scam coins and will not invest in coins which will die sooner.

You are right but sometimes we face some expert scammers who even scam these expert traders just like LIR developers who were acting like much expert developers and were acting as most trust-able people but when they got their money with the coin they escape away taking the money from the investors.

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Quote from: MWesterweele on December 06, 2016, 10:59:01 AM

Quote from: densuj on August 01, 2016, 06:46:33 AM

There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?

Trading actually is hardest thing you can do in internet because you can't predict what will be the coins price will be. And it will cost you too much when you buy the wrong coin and it will be died in a week my method is i always joined in group chat in facebook to get updated on what coins they going to buy.

For securing yourself from scam coins you only join chat group and you know the expert traders do a lot of research for the coins which they wanted to invest in and after fully satisfied from that coin they invest in there so if you learn better about trading concepts and other tricks then you will be awared from scam coins and will not invest in coins which will die sooner.

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