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Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

They are just trying to manipulate the coin's price by placing sell orders at lower price,thus making price to come down,create panic which would result in more price fall and finally they buy it at much cheaper price.Its usually done by big whales to buy potential coins at much cheaper price

It may backfire easily

Before all, to buy "potential coins" at a much cheaper price, they should first sell them, right? That is, they should first have these coins which they are going to sell. But why would they want to sell them at all if these coins have a lot of potential? If the coins do really have so much potential, people will just buy up the sold coins, and the price will remain where it is. If the sellers in question manage to start panic sell-offs, maybe, this coin is not as "potential" as it seems to be? I'm more inclined to think that the reverse scheme is more plausible, namely, when the whales at first start buying up coins in massive amounts and then dump them after the bullish sentiment is close to being exhausted

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Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

Simple answer is to create sell wall and create panic on the market. So that these whales can buy back cheap coins. When they will get few cheap coins below their sell orders, they will remove those walls so that price can naturally get pumped over their sell price so they can sell again to make good profit. Wink

Yeah most people do it that way. Actually its pretty obvious that if we want to make profit make some others loose their money, which only happens if you create a fake hype in the market and make people believe that the coin will get much higher in coming days. But that been said sometimes these plans backfire and you loose big.

I'd like to call it a bearish trap or bullish trap, The whale just tries to make a fake hype with the pump the coin and a lot of the newbie traders will be following him and make the pump is high than before.
If the atm has got by the coin and the whale will try dump all of his coin that coin had bought by the whale on the cheap price. And whale has made a lot of money caused by his fake hype to fool a lot of newbies.

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Quote from: beerlover on April 16, 2017, 09:01:00 AM

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Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

Simple answer is to create sell wall and create panic on the market. So that these whales can buy back cheap coins. When they will get few cheap coins below their sell orders, they will remove those walls so that price can naturally get pumped over their sell price so they can sell again to make good profit. Wink

Yeah most people do it that way. Actually its pretty obvious that if we want to make profit make some others loose their money, which only happens if you create a fake hype in the market and make people believe that the coin will get much higher in coming days. But that been said sometimes these plans backfire and you loose big.

if you dont have enough funding and if you are working with a group possibilities to backfire the whale moves will go on you
but if you really understand and have enough knowledge regarding to the possible outcome of your work it will make a huge
earnings for you.

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Quote from: amacar2 on April 04, 2017, 01:03:20 PM

Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

Simple answer is to create sell wall and create panic on the market. So that these whales can buy back cheap coins. When they will get few cheap coins below their sell orders, they will remove those walls so that price can naturally get pumped over their sell price so they can sell again to make good profit. Wink

Yeah most people do it that way. Actually its pretty obvious that if we want to make profit make some others loose their money, which only happens if you create a fake hype in the market and make people believe that the coin will get much higher in coming days. But that been said sometimes these plans backfire and you loose big.

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Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

The simple answer is that people wait for the best price and then dump their coins. I have seen this same pattern for many coins and I have been quite bewildered too but I guess that's fine since that's how altcoins work and guy's make sure in your mind that coins that were sold in ICO are sure to get dumped one day for sure, so don't hold them for too long and don't get too greedy.

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Quote from: deisik on April 10, 2017, 04:03:56 AM

Let me guess, you look at Bitcoin market cap and see that is somewhere around 20B dollars, so you come to think that it is impossible to manipulate the market of that size, right? But do you know that in calculating this market cap all coins are taken into account, while only a small part of them is actually traded? But since the price (which is the primary target of market manipulation) is determined by the balance of actual supply and demand, i.e. the number of coins actually traded, only the latter count in terms of market manipulation (not total number of coins mined till now)

It reminds me of certain people that look at the market cap, and think that if you want to increase the price with 10%, that you need 10% of the market cap in actual funds to move the market with such percentage. People don't realize that it is indeed the number of tradable coins that matter, and not the coins that are doing nothing. It just shows with what for a mindset people look at Bitcoin and everything related to trading. It's not for nothing that a lot people end up selling in panic. It all comes down to a lack of understanding.

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Quote from: ArdiPrabowo on April 08, 2017, 12:46:13 PM

all trading platform is have big money can manipulate price
you can see in real trading in valas, big boys banker always manipulation price, or you see about george soros, he is rich only manipulation fiat curency in the world

I agree with you that people who have very much money so they can do anything. including manipulating prices in all sectors of the trade.

But how long ? manipulations will not sustain for days. Market will get stabilised over time. To hold market at the manipulated levels they need massive amounts of money which will not be possible for days. We cannot do anything about manipulations but we need to keep our cool mindset when seeing sudden bump or dump scenarios, if we do get panic or greedy we might get trapped by those manipulations.

There are many restrictions for individual accounts like the volume one account holder can deposit/withdraw per day basis but when group of people getting into manipulations, we cannot do anything about it literally.

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Quote from: stephanirain on April 09, 2017, 09:36:12 PM

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Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

In my observation it is normal its not a manipulation , in some market moving like that we can also think about someone who is trying to control or manipulate the market .Otherwise its not a problem learn to adjust on that situation take advantage if you know where to set and that was a battle of skills and bluffing Grin

No one can manipulate bitcoin since it is decentralized and its market is huge hence it can not be dumped easily. Also, as bitcoin's market is increasing due to good news and promotion, this is helpful to make its market bigger which would lessen volitality which costs dumpers earn much of money and usual people lose due to panic selling.

What makes you think that the market is huge?

Let me guess, you look at Bitcoin market cap and see that is somewhere around 20B dollars, so you come to think that it is impossible to manipulate the market of that size, right? But do you know that in calculating this market cap all coins are taken into account, while only a small part of them is actually traded? But since the price (which is the primary target of market manipulation) is determined by the balance of actual supply and demand, i.e. the number of coins actually traded, only the latter count in terms of market manipulation (not total number of coins mined till now)

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Quote from: ArdiPrabowo on April 08, 2017, 12:46:13 PM

Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

all trading platform is have big money can manipulate price
you can see in real trading in valas, big boys banker always manipulation price, or you see about george soros, he is rich only manipulation fiat curency in the world

I agree with you that people who have very much money so they can do anything. including manipulating prices in all sectors of the trade.

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Quote from: stephanirain on April 09, 2017, 09:36:12 PM

Quote from: --DarkSecrets-- on April 09, 2017, 11:49:33 AM

Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

In my observation it is normal its not a manipulation , in some market moving like that we can also think about someone who is trying to control or manipulate the market .Otherwise its not a problem learn to adjust on that situation take advantage if you know where to set and that was a battle of skills and bluffing Grin

No one can manipulate bitcoin since it is decentralized and its market is huge hence it can not be dumped easily. Also, as bitcoin's market is increasing due to good news and promotion, this is helpful to make its market bigger which would lessen volitality which costs dumpers earn much of money and usual people lose due to panic selling.

You're wrong, bitcoin can still be manipulated by the people who got a lot of bitcoins in their pocket like the early investors and the early miners of bitcoin and also the rich people can manipulate the price of bitcoin because they can take advantage of their money to buy and control the supply of the bitcoin in the market, they are commonly known sa whales.

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Quote from: --DarkSecrets-- on April 09, 2017, 11:49:33 AM

Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

In my observation it is normal its not a manipulation , in some market moving like that we can also think about someone who is trying to control or manipulate the market .Otherwise its not a problem learn to adjust on that situation take advantage if you know where to set and that was a battle of skills and bluffing Grin

No one can manipulate bitcoin since it is decentralized and its market is huge hence it can not be dumped easily. Also, as bitcoin's market is increasing due to good news and promotion, this is helpful to make its market bigger which would lessen volitality which costs dumpers earn much of money and usual people lose due to panic selling.

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Quote from: ImHash on April 06, 2017, 01:51:59 PM

I don't know why people bother to even go near altcoins?

two different people with very simple reason for each of them:

- traders looking for huge profit that they can only find in altcoins which are getting pump and dump. for example if you want to increase your bitcoin amount you just join a pumping coin fast and exit as fast too. and make a lot of bitcoin.

- newbies who have an illusion. they fall for the lies the altcoin bagholders tell them such as "...some altcoin replacing bitcoin..." or the funniest of all "...Microsoft partnered up with our altcoin...". and then say to themselves "... I go in while it is worth $1 and when it replaced bitcoin i would have $1000 worth" but in reality that $1 goes to $10 and they don't sell and when it dumps back to $1 and less they sell at a loss.

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Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

In my observation it is normal its not a manipulation , in some market moving like that we can also think about someone who is trying to control or manipulate the market .Otherwise its not a problem learn to adjust on that situation take advantage if you know where to set and that was a battle of skills and bluffing Grin

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Sometimes people get lazy. The seller could have sold at the higher price and if there weren't enough buy orders to cover the sell at that price enter a new one at a lower price. I don't know what the trading rules are on Poloniex but I once traded stocks with Havelock Investments where the price at which you entered the order was the price you got as soon as someone entered a matching order. If this sounded stupid I apologize. This is only my second post on this forum.

I guess it not on being lazy but on being impatient. In trading there is always a price check needed to know if you will buy or sell your trading because if you do not trade right you will lose rather than to earn. I suggest to read and forum before trading because you need to have a prior knowledge in trading because in trading there is risk that we need to always keep on mind. Then focus and work hard for your trading to earn and to be successful.

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Great observation dude, I also seen a couple of times from polo specially during the pumps and dumps. I believe every exchange has a dirty mechanism in their system.

Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

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Quote from: marketone on April 06, 2017, 09:27:03 AM

Not only him the one who sells at 0.00007150 BTC, there are many greedy people in trading history. The don't want to increase the price of the coin, this thing I have faced many times when the price of the coin is raising many people to start to keep at the low price. We don't have any right to ask because those coins belong to themselves only.

Who doesn't want to make a price increase in the first place?

It's not that they don't want it but it seems it's a good way if they can able to bag much more coins before the expected pump. Traders are eyeing for a big profit so if you are a bagholder then you are not an enthusiast to buy coins at it's price they called as high. The dumping activity is their chance to make another rounds of buying to increase the quantity of their coins aside from the profit they gained prior to the price decrease.

That's how trading works to those alts that having lots of big whales. In order not to be late, you have to closely watch the price as altcoin price movement is really different compare to bitcoin price movement.

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Quote from: ArdiPrabowo on April 08, 2017, 12:46:13 PM

Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

all trading platform is have big money can manipulate price
you can see in real trading in valas, big boys banker always manipulation price, or you see about george soros, he is rich only manipulation fiat curency in the world

they found great success by being such a whales shaking the market and taking advantage from those newcomers and weak holders,
its a game of nerved and those who shaken will be eaten alive by those big holders who called themselves manipulators/whales.

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Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

all trading platform is have big money can manipulate price
you can see in real trading in valas, big boys banker always manipulation price, or you see about george soros, he is rich only manipulation fiat curency in the world

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on April 04, 2017, 10:55:08 PM

OP, you should always keep in mind that most of the altcoin traders are amateurs and self thought traders. They make the mistakes of amateurs always make like the one you witnessed. He made a market order without any regard on the liquidity of the market.

It happened to me sometime, a transaction was on hold and I needed to make the exchange as quick as possible, so on getting to the exchange, I simply went along with the previous rate I had checked with, only to discover much later that the price changed in between the time. So it can be an oversight or an outright ploy to force price down, so they can buy back at cheaper rates.

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Quote from: shamzblueworld on April 04, 2017, 09:45:12 AM

So I was just watching the exchange section at polo and I was happened to be on the AMP exchange page, I noticed something quite incredible and would be interested in what you guys think about it.
So amp was being sold at about 0.00007756 and was at like 10%+(green) and then suddenly there came a sell order of about 60k+ amps with price only 0.00007150
Now why would someone actually sell at such a low price when the price for the moment is quite high?
It looked quite strange to me, what do you guys think?

maybe the dev or investors to lower the price to sell wall could be just a trader who have got profit targets and 60k+ it's still a reasonable value previously ever happens even value more than that.

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