Trezor Suite now supports coin control

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there are some new versions of Trezor
since yesterday there is the new 24.3.4 version of Trezor suite with the following new features:

The Polygon (PoS) network, along with its native currency MATIC, has joined the EVM compatible networks in Trezor Suite. This integration expands the ecosystem, offering more options for our users.
Introducing token definitions to enhance security by distinguishing between legitimate and unrecognized tokens. Additionally, identifying NFT spam in Polygon transactions improves overall transaction clarity and security.

in addition, the settings can now be selected in german, french, and spanish. further new features and bug fixes can be found in the following link:
https://github.com/trezor/trezor-suite/releases/tag/v24.3.4

for all mobilephone users (android & apple), there is also the new 24.4.1 version of Trezor suite lite which you can download here:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.trezor.suite
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/trezor-suite-lite/id1631884497

https://twitter.com/Trezor/status/1775489570349392053

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Quote from: SFR10 on February 27, 2024, 12:59:49 AM

They're somewhat similar, but dust attacks are mainly being used for de-anonymizing a lot of users at the same time while using normal addresses, as opposed to vanity addresses for the latter part.

Correct. The purpose of dust attacks is to have you spend them with other coins and include them in transactions that reach destinations, such as CEXs, where it could be easier to identify who the owner of the coins is. Also, if you consolidate them with multiple other UTXOs, the sender can keep track of what happens with the dust.

Poisoning scams are there to trick users to copy the wrong address when they are about to send coins/tokens. That's because some people copy receiving addresses from transaction histories and blockchain explorers. If that wasn't the case, poisoning scams wouldn't work.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 26, 2024, 03:09:58 PM

This sounds more like a dusting attack to me than address poisoning, but I could be wrong.

They're somewhat similar, but dust attacks are mainly being used for de-anonymizing a lot of users at the same time while using normal addresses, as opposed to vanity addresses for the latter part.

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 26, 2024, 03:09:58 PM

Trezor released another update for Trezor Suite with some bug fixes, and I can report that notifications under activity tab are working again:
https://github.com/trezor/trezor-suite/releases/tag/v24.2.3

I finally decided to install the latest version from GitHub ^{[not sure why it stopped giving update notifications on Trezor Suite v24.1.2 (I waited for almost a week and I do know it's supposed to roll out in stages, but still...)]} and I also prefer the previous design more.

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Quote from: SFR10 on February 25, 2024, 11:02:24 AM

Usually, Bitcoin addresses aren't their main target but unfortunately, it could still happen to Bitcoin users ^{[especially when transaction fees are quite low]}.

This sounds more like a dusting attack to me than address poisoning, but I could be wrong.
Trezor released another update for Trezor Suite with some bug fixes, and I can report that notifications under activity tab are working again:
https://github.com/trezor/trezor-suite/releases/tag/v24.2.3

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Quote from: Pmalek on February 22, 2024, 12:32:43 PM

Apparently, Trezor has taken another route where they wont have them disappear. Instead they will be marked as potentially dangerous.

In addition to this, they won't allow users to copy/paste these addresses so hopefully, it'd be enough to force users to verify such addresses.

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 22, 2024, 01:22:22 PM

From what I am reading on address poisoning this is only affecting shitcoins on ethereum, binance and other stupid blockchains like that, so it does not affect Bitcoin at all.

Usually, Bitcoin addresses aren't their main target but unfortunately, it could still happen to Bitcoin users ^{[especially when transaction fees are quite low]}.

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Quote from: Pmalek on February 21, 2024, 12:42:51 PM

That's why I always like to wait with new updates unless it's something major that fixes serious vulnerabilities. And that's not the case with the new Trezor Suite whose biggest change is in the UI. Bugs and errors are expected.

You can always rollback and install older version of software, this is not the same like updating firmware on device.

Quote from: SFR10 on February 22, 2024, 10:34:06 AM

Based on the content of their "February update" post, apparently, it'd try to detect and label them to prevent users from copying those addresses ^{[not sure if it'd allow us to remove faulty tags or not]}.

From what I am reading on address poisoning this is only affecting shitcoins on ethereum, binance and other stupid blockchains like that, so it does not affect Bitcoin at all.
There is a page explaining in details how this attacks are happening:
https://trezor.io/support/a/address-poisoning-attacks

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Quote from: SFR10 on February 22, 2024, 10:34:06 AM

Based on the content of their "February update" post, apparently, it'd try to detect and label them to prevent users from copying those addresses ^{[not sure if it'd allow us to remove faulty tags or not]}.

When the address poisoning scam became known, Tronscan added two options on their website. The first was to hide small incoming transactions from appearing in the transaction history. It affected all transactions valued $0.5 and lower. The second option made risky transactions with unknown tokens hidden from the history overview. Both features do a good job from hiding poisoning scams from even appearing before the eyes of a user.

Apparently, Trezor has taken another route where they wont have them disappear. Instead they will be marked as potentially dangerous.

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Quote from: Pmalek on February 21, 2024, 12:42:51 PM

You can't prevent someone to send crypto to an address,

Based on the content of their "February update" post, apparently, it'd try to detect and label them to prevent users from copying those addresses ^{[not sure if it'd allow us to remove faulty tags or not]}.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 21, 2024, 11:18:08 AM

Activity tab was not working correctly for me in new version, and it didn't show any transaction notifications like before, but maybe they fixed that in v24.2.2.

That's why I always like to wait with new updates unless it's something major that fixes serious vulnerabilities. And that's not the case with the new Trezor Suite whose biggest change is in the UI. Bugs and errors are expected.

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 21, 2024, 11:18:08 AM

Address poisoning attack prevention was also introduced for improved security.

Not sure how they want to battle that. You can't prevent someone to send crypto to an address, and when they do, that transaction will be displayed in the transaction history. Perhaps there will be an on switch to hide zero value transactions and possibly fraudulent ones or display a warning of a possible poisoning scam if a similar address is noticed or if the second transaction occurred seconds after your own legitimate transaction. Poisoning scams usually appear seconds after you make or receive a normal transaction.

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Here is the new blog article showing how the new Trezor Suite desktop app looks like compared to old version, and you can also see other improvements and changes they made:
https://trezor.io/learn/a/introducing-the-new-trezor-suite

Activity tab was not working correctly for me in new version, and it didn't show any transaction notifications like before, but maybe they fixed that in v24.2.2.
Address poisoning attack prevention was also introduced for improved security.

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Quote from: SFR10 on February 17, 2024, 06:26:59 AM

I should've been clearer that I was referring to their latest normal release ^{[my bad (sorry)]} and it has been there for a few months ^[source].

Excellent. I haven't updated my Trezor Suite version since I barely use it. It's kind of my long hodl, but it's good to know that the developers added this important feature.

Quote from: SFR10 on February 17, 2024, 06:26:59 AM

Just Googled and it appears that you're not the only one experiencing such issues ^{[#1 and #2 (another mouse issue)]}, so it probably has something to do with Trezor Suite but for some reason, they haven't released any fixes for these rare old issues!
^{- Unfortunately, I can't think of anything that hasn't already been said on the other thread but I'll try to dig more into it.}

It's 100% related to the Trezor Suite and a weird compatibility issue with my mouse. The moment I run the software, the whole system starts acting weird until I exit Trezor Suite. So, those issues I am experiencing with mouse clicks in Trezor's native software are present everywhere else while the app is running. As soon as I close it, they are gone.

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Quote from: Pmalek on February 17, 2024, 04:13:47 AM

Btw, did you make a mistake with the software version? Should it be v24.2.1 (the current pre-release dkbit98 announced) or v24.1.2?

I should've been clearer that I was referring to their latest normal release ^{[my bad (sorry)]} and it has been there for a few months ^[source].

Quote from: Pmalek on February 17, 2024, 04:13:47 AM

I am also hoping Trezor can fix that weird bug I discovered the first time I installed the software. Maybe you remember the story.

Despite being active at the time, somehow I completely missed your thread but I just finished reading it...

Quote from: Pmalek on February 17, 2024, 04:13:47 AM
I can't have my computer mouse connected to my laptop while using the Trezor Suite. I can only work with it using the touchpad. As soon as I connect the mouse, I am forced to clicking 2-3 times before the software recognizes my clicks and there is always a delay before that happens. It's been like that since day 1 of installing the Trezor Suite and no software update fixed it.
Just Googled and it appears that you're not the only one experiencing such issues ^{[#1 and #2 (another mouse issue)]}, so it probably has something to do with Trezor Suite but for some reason, they haven't released any fixes for these rare old issues!
^{- Unfortunately, I can't think of anything that hasn't already been said on the other thread but I'll try to dig more into it.}

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Quote from: SFR10 on February 16, 2024, 04:22:34 PM

You can also join their early access program like @dkbit98

No, sorry. I am not interested. I don't like being in any early access, beta guinea pig programs.

Quote from: Pmalek on February 16, 2024, 01:19:38 PM

Here are the steps for v24.1.2:

Choose your account > Details tab > Derivation path

Cool, so they have decided to add that as well. Btw, did you make a mistake with the software version? Should it be v24.2.1 (the current pre-release dkbit98 announced) or v24.1.2?

I am also hoping Trezor can fix that weird bug I discovered the first time I installed the software. Maybe you remember the story. I can't have my computer mouse connected to my laptop while using the Trezor Suite. I can only work with it using the touchpad. As soon as I connect the mouse, I am forced to clicking 2-3 times before the software recognizes my clicks and there is always a delay before that happens. It's been like that since day 1 of installing the Trezor Suite and no software update fixed it.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 15, 2024, 05:22:13 PM

I actually prefer the old style, but new one is more compact, and they fixed some bugs:

It'd be nice if there was also a way to choose different themes ^{[e.g. legacy theme]}.

Quote from: Pmalek on February 16, 2024, 01:19:38 PM

Too bad that they didn't add any pictures of the upcoming design on their GitHub release announcement so we can see how it will look. I guess all we can do is wait.

You can also join their early access program like @dkbit98, but if for some reason you don't want to ^{[like me ]}, here's a "sneak peek of the Trezor Suite update 24.2.1".

Quote from: Pmalek on February 16, 2024, 01:19:38 PM

I hope they add advanced account information in the new app. I am kind of missing that when comparing the Trezor Suite to Ledger Live. I couldn't find an option to see my BTC account derivation paths anywhere in the Trezor Suite.

Here are the steps for v24.1.2:

Choose your account > Details tab > Derivation path

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Too bad that they didn't add any pictures of the upcoming design on their GitHub release announcement so we can see how it will look. I guess all we can do is wait.

I hope they add advanced account information in the new app. I am kind of missing that when comparing the Trezor Suite to Ledger Live. I couldn't find an option to see my BTC account derivation paths anywhere in the Trezor Suite. I know how to find the information on 3rd-party sources taking into consideration the type of account and addresses, but still, it should be something that the native app displays as well. If you have multiple BTC wallets, you shouldn't have to think which one is the 6th and which one is the 7th if you need that specific derivation path.

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Heads up everyone who is using Trezor Suite app, they just released new v24.2.1 pre-release version and there are some major redesign changes, so don't be surprised.
You don't have to install anything yet, this will soon be released in normal release, but it takes some time to get used to new interface that is similar like in Trezor mobile app.
I actually prefer the old style, but new one is more compact, and they fixed some bugs:
https://github.com/trezor/trezor-suite/releases/tag/v24.2.1

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Quote from: satscraper on January 24, 2024, 09:54:52 AM

it has introduced relevant new ( to most all HW) feature, namely "wipe code" which is PIN-alike, but instead of allowing the entering data area entirely erases it.

It's a good thing they finally decided to introduce a new method to wipe Trezor devices through Trezor Suite ^{[the "previous method" wasn't that user-friendly and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who completely forgot Trezor already introduced such a feature in the past]}.
^{- Out of curiosity, does anybody know why it took them this long to add it to the Trezor Suite?}

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The second half of January 2024 has brought an update to Trezor Suite which was elevated to v24.1.2.
Besides bunch of fixes and minor improvement, it has introduced relatively new ( to most all HW) feature, namely "wipe code" which is PIN-alike, but instead of allowing the device to enter the sensitive-data-area wallet entirely erases it. Looks like to be good opt at the emergency case.

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Quote from: SFR10 on October 01, 2022, 04:44:32 AM

Considering that they introduced it "two years ago", I'm surprised they haven't polished it yet ^[SMH].

I am sure it also depends on the feedback they get from their users. If there aren't many complaints, they won't consider it important to change things. Personally, there isn't much they can do to beat Electrum when it comes to the ease of use of their coin control. If they are honest to themselves, they should be aware of that fact. No one is going to favor an inferior product/software over one that feels and looks better and is easier to use.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 01, 2022, 03:47:37 AM

@SFR10
How does Trezor Suite handle the coin selection when you open the coin control window for the first time? I mentioned previously that on Ledger Live, all UTXOs are selected by default. On the screenshot you posted above, none of the UTXOs are selected, but it's also possible that you unticked them. So are they ticked or unticked by default?

Since I usually play around with most of its settings and it tends to save them for the next time that I open them, I can't accurately answer how the situation was for the very first time that I opened the coin control feature but regardless of that, there's a deselect button for all of the UTXOs in Trezor Suite

Quote from: Pmalek on October 01, 2022, 03:47:37 AM

I can't figure out what Ledger brainiac thought it would be a good idea to have them all selected and force the users to manually go through the list and untick everything.

Considering that they introduced it "two years ago", I'm surprised they haven't polished it yet ^[SMH].

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