Trezor Suite now supports coin control - page 2.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 15, 2024, 04:22:13 PM

I actually prefer the old style, but new one is more compact, and they fixed some bugs:

It'd be nice if there was also a way to choose different themes ^{[e.g. legacy theme]}.

Quote from: Pmalek on February 16, 2024, 12:19:38 PM

Too bad that they didn't add any pictures of the upcoming design on their GitHub release announcement so we can see how it will look. I guess all we can do is wait.

You can also join their early access program like @dkbit98, but if for some reason you don't want to ^{[like me ]}, here's a "sneak peek of the Trezor Suite update 24.2.1".

Quote from: Pmalek on February 16, 2024, 12:19:38 PM

I hope they add advanced account information in the new app. I am kind of missing that when comparing the Trezor Suite to Ledger Live. I couldn't find an option to see my BTC account derivation paths anywhere in the Trezor Suite.

Here are the steps for v24.1.2:

Choose your account > Details tab > Derivation path

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Too bad that they didn't add any pictures of the upcoming design on their GitHub release announcement so we can see how it will look. I guess all we can do is wait.

I hope they add advanced account information in the new app. I am kind of missing that when comparing the Trezor Suite to Ledger Live. I couldn't find an option to see my BTC account derivation paths anywhere in the Trezor Suite. I know how to find the information on 3rd-party sources taking into consideration the type of account and addresses, but still, it should be something that the native app displays as well. If you have multiple BTC wallets, you shouldn't have to think which one is the 6th and which one is the 7th if you need that specific derivation path.

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Heads up everyone who is using Trezor Suite app, they just released new v24.2.1 pre-release version and there are some major redesign changes, so don't be surprised.
You don't have to install anything yet, this will soon be released in normal release, but it takes some time to get used to new interface that is similar like in Trezor mobile app.
I actually prefer the old style, but new one is more compact, and they fixed some bugs:
https://github.com/trezor/trezor-suite/releases/tag/v24.2.1

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Quote from: satscraper on January 24, 2024, 08:54:52 AM

it has introduced relevant new ( to most all HW) feature, namely "wipe code" which is PIN-alike, but instead of allowing the entering data area entirely erases it.

It's a good thing they finally decided to introduce a new method to wipe Trezor devices through Trezor Suite ^{[the "previous method" wasn't that user-friendly and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who completely forgot Trezor already introduced such a feature in the past]}.
^{- Out of curiosity, does anybody know why it took them this long to add it to the Trezor Suite?}

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The second half of January 2024 has brought an update to Trezor Suite which was elevated to v24.1.2.
Besides bunch of fixes and minor improvement, it has introduced relatively new ( to most all HW) feature, namely "wipe code" which is PIN-alike, but instead of allowing the device to enter the sensitive-data-area wallet entirely erases it. Looks like to be good opt at the emergency case.

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Quote from: SFR10 on October 01, 2022, 03:44:32 AM

Considering that they introduced it "two years ago", I'm surprised they haven't polished it yet ^[SMH].

I am sure it also depends on the feedback they get from their users. If there aren't many complaints, they won't consider it important to change things. Personally, there isn't much they can do to beat Electrum when it comes to the ease of use of their coin control. If they are honest to themselves, they should be aware of that fact. No one is going to favor an inferior product/software over one that feels and looks better and is easier to use.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 01, 2022, 02:47:37 AM

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How does Trezor Suite handle the coin selection when you open the coin control window for the first time? I mentioned previously that on Ledger Live, all UTXOs are selected by default. On the screenshot you posted above, none of the UTXOs are selected, but it's also possible that you unticked them. So are they ticked or unticked by default?

Since I usually play around with most of its settings and it tends to save them for the next time that I open them, I can't accurately answer how the situation was for the very first time that I opened the coin control feature but regardless of that, there's a deselect button for all of the UTXOs in Trezor Suite

Quote from: Pmalek on October 01, 2022, 02:47:37 AM

I can't figure out what Ledger brainiac thought it would be a good idea to have them all selected and force the users to manually go through the list and untick everything.

Considering that they introduced it "two years ago", I'm surprised they haven't polished it yet ^[SMH].

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How does Trezor Suite handle the coin selection when you open the coin control window for the first time? I mentioned previously that on Ledger Live, all UTXOs are selected by default. On the screenshot you posted above, none of the UTXOs are selected, but it's also possible that you unticked them. So are they ticked or unticked by default?

I can't figure out what Ledger brainiac thought it would be a good idea to have them all selected and force the users to manually go through the list and untick everything. Hopefully the people from Trezor took a more natural route.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 30, 2022, 02:18:52 AM

and you can tag the UTXOs if you want to.

Yes, but unfortunately, it still doesn't have a proper search feature to easily select UTXOs based on their tags ^{[in other words, the outcome is somewhat similar to the middle part of your second paragraph]}:

Quote from: Pmalek on September 30, 2022, 02:18:52 AM
It isn't that annoying if you have only a couple of UTXOs in that particular BTC account, but imagine trying to spend coins from an account with 100 UTXOs.

Quote from: Pmalek on September 30, 2022, 02:18:52 AM

Ledger Live doesn't have timestamps. They only show a confirmations count for each UTXO.

Trezor Suite also shows the confirmation count, but the detail button doesn't appear unless we hover over the UTXOs.

Quote from: Pmalek on September 30, 2022, 02:18:52 AM

I would prefer if I could see the USD value besides the BTC amount for each line, but that's also missing.

Luckily, that already exists on Trezor Suite ^{[except in the above screenshots for obvious reasons]}.

Quote from: PawGo on September 30, 2022, 02:29:24 AM

As I see lines are sorted alphabetically (by address),

No, they're sorted by date ^{[descending order]}.

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Quote from: SFR10 on September 27, 2022, 09:52:20 AM

Unfortunately, addresses with multiple UTXOs occupy multiple lines as opposed to being grouped together in an organized manner ^{[depending on how someone normally uses addresses in general, it could quickly become a mess]}:

As I see lines are sorted alphabetically (by address), it makes sense, I am not sure if globabl chronological sorting would be useful.
It woule be good to have possibility to select all the input from a given address - and opposite, freeze address and/or it's inputs, I hope it is matter of time when it will be implemented, as they progress slowly but well Wink

Nice add-on would be to have automatically (call it 'safety feature' or whatever) disabled spending from "dust" inputs (<570 sats or sth).

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Quote from: SFR10 on September 27, 2022, 09:52:20 AM

If I compare the layout of Trezor Suite with that of Ledger Live in terms of coin control, I like the way Trezor did it more. There is a timestamp and you can tag the UTXOs if you want to. Ledger Live doesn't have timestamps. They only show a confirmations count for each UTXO. Similarly to Trezor Suite, each UTXO has it's own line. I would prefer if I could see the USD value besides the BTC amount for each line, but that's also missing.

The thing that's really badly done is that when you open the coin control window, all your UTXOs are selected by default and you have to unselect each one manually. It isn't that annoying if you have only a couple of UTXOs in that particular BTC account, but imagine trying to spend coins from an account with 100 UTXOs. You need to unselect 99 times to spend only from one. And there is no unselect all button anywhere. Roll Eyes

Amateurishly done, and without much thought.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 26, 2022, 07:52:59 AM

I wonder how Trezor Suite would display the coins if there were multiple UTXOs per address? Would each UTXO have its own line or would they list all of them under that particular address in a sub-list format?

Unfortunately, addresses with multiple UTXOs occupy multiple lines as opposed to being grouped together in an organized manner ^{[depending on how someone normally uses addresses in general, it could quickly become a mess]}:

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 26, 2022, 07:52:59 AM

-snip- I wonder how Trezor Suite would display the coins if there were multiple UTXOs per address? Would each UTXO have its own line or would they list all of them under that particular address in a sub-list format?

As far as I know, they list all of them under that particular address.

I just tried using the Coin Control feature in Trezor Suite by sending some amounts of satoshi at once to multiple addresses.

https://tbtc1.trezor.io/tx/16425e919c4a15b9ee0334522f3891e04dd16fc08bdacc8ea06053d16f5e1ea4

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Quote from: Husna QA on September 26, 2022, 03:58:08 AM

Thanks, I appreciate it. So the interface shows the addresses and the amounts for each one. The most recent transactions are on the top followed by older ones that get listed underneath. I wonder how Trezor Suite would display the coins if there were multiple UTXOs per address? Would each UTXO have its own line or would they list all of them under that particular address in a sub-list format?

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 25, 2022, 04:09:16 AM

Can someone post a few screenshots from their app so we can see how their coin control feature actually looks like? Cover all the identifiable information of course.

A few days ago, I posted it on the Indonesian board using Trezor Suite v22.9.2-beta (https://github.com/trezor/trezor-suite/releases/tag/v22.9.2):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60972415

From the appearance of the Coin Control feature in v22.9.3., there doesn't seem to be much change from the beta version.
Here are some recent screenshots of Trezor Suite v22.9.3 (https://github.com/trezor/trezor-suite/releases/tag/v22.9.3):

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on September 22, 2022, 02:16:15 AM

The Trezor Suite update, version 22.9.3 which I like very well is the coin control.

It looks good, but they should've included a search field to look for UTXOs based on their labels ^{[the labeling feature alone, isn't enough when dealing with a long list or rather multiple pages]}.

Quote from: Hispo on September 22, 2022, 10:51:18 AM

I wonder how exchanges and regulators will react when Trezor releases Coinjoin, though.

If the "first part of the following comment" still has something to do with it, then I don't think there's going to be a significant negative reaction from the above things.

Quote from: OROBTC on September 22, 2022, 07:12:07 PM

Or would it just "look" like one?

IMO, it falls under this.

Quote from: Pmalek on September 25, 2022, 04:09:16 AM

Can someone post a few screenshots from their app so we can see how their coin control feature actually looks like?

Here's a "short clip" from the above blog post.

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Quote from: PawGo on September 24, 2022, 03:27:30 AM

What I did was to see (using Electrum) how it should look like and then execute transfer using TS.
But at the end I am glad it is introduced (finally).

In that case, it makes more sense to stick with Electrum to take advantage of the more advanced coin control capabilities. Opening one to check what needs to be done in order to replicate the transaction in the second software...nah. I prefer Electrum's coin control over the one I have seen in Ledger Live and I am sure I would do the same if I used Trezor Suite.

Can someone post a few screenshots from their app so we can see how their coin control feature actually looks like? Cover all the identifiable information of course.

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The main advantege of Electrum is to spend/block based on address, while in Trezor Suite we much check/uncheck every input. Easy to make a mistake, especially if you have more than 1 page of results.
What I did was to see (using Electrum) how it should look like and then execute transfer using TS.
But at the end I am glad it is introduced (finally).

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on September 22, 2022, 11:01:25 AM

Trezor has been improving Trezor Suite in very practical ways since they launched it. By adding Coin control they pretty much make it as practical of a wallet client as Electrum in most standard use-cases. I don't use Trezor Suit very much myself, usually only if I'm dealing with the few alts that I still have.

I have noticed there is an important difference between the Coin control of Electrum and Trezor. Electrum has a feature.which allows the user to freeze coins inputs, so they won't get spent in any case, on the other hand, it seems Trezor Suite needs us to specify which inputs we don't want to spend everytime we want to send satoshis. This requires the user to constantly remember the input they want to avoid to move, of course there is also the option to tag the input but there must be people who wish not to use the tagging.

In this matter, Electrum still has an advantage over Trezor Suite, quite useful when comes to managing dust attacks, for example.

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I just sent out a TX using Trezor's new coin control feature (after the update of course). It went fine, works as expected.

Trezor also allows multiple recipients, straight from Trezor Suite.

The above two procedures in Suite raised an interesting question. Would a TX like the below actually BE a coinjoin, assuming one took care to ensure that the inputs are "different" (that is not apparently linked)? Or would it just "look" like one?

Inputs:

bc1q...1 0.01 BTC
bc1q...2 0.01
bc1q...3 0.01
bc1q...4 0.01
bc1q...5 0.01

Outputs:

bc1q...a 0.01 BTC
bc1q...b 0.01
bc1q...c 0.01
bc1q...d 0.01
bc1q...e 0.01

With a carefully chosen low fee.

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