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Quote from: TrianglePythagoras on March 04, 2015, 09:28:26 AM

I personally don't trust staff members with alt accounts that aren't known to the public.

Just for the record, if a staff member has alt accounts that aren't known to the public then how would you know not to trust them. Seems like one of these--- I don't like what I see when I look in the mirror with my eyes closed ---kinda paradoxes.

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Quote from: troleybüs on March 05, 2015, 05:26:01 AM

This is my only account here, I don't have any alt accounts. Real people that know me in Turkey can confirm that.

How would real people in Turkey be able to confirm you don't have alts here? And besides, I don't think that is true:

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Quote from: nasthedon on February 26, 2014, 08:19:12 PM

nasthedon

Thank you.

Not that there is anything wrong with having alts but using them to abuse the trust system is.

Quote from: arallmuus on March 06, 2015, 07:34:48 AM

EDIT : it seems like both cakir and troleybus returned it back to bit-x, so this scam accusation can be close

Marco is the only one who can do that. The trust issue should still be cleared up or resolved in my opinion at least for Eal's sake.

I want to say a few things about trust system abuse issue:

First of all, I don't think giving positive trust to people who you know in your real life. Here's the Türkish point of view about this:
Giving positive trust to someone without any reference means "If this guy scams you I'll pay for him".
Also it means: "if you trust me you can trust him too".

I think those feedbacks were given for Turkish Marketplace not for all Forum. (There're lots of rules and regulations in Turkey about international shopping, there're lots of taxes etc, So even you want to buy asics, they are imported via companies and then they're sold, otherwise they're too expensive, if you don't have a man inside the Customs you may not be able to get your asic it would be held by government.)

That's why Eal tried to defend Zeki to have his own hero account (which was hacked) for himself. We, Turkish people defend people's rights who we know, trust. (And then marcotheminer retaliated of course).

If you're thinking that's abusing the trust system it's quite easy to solve, All unreferenced feedbacks can be deleted, As far as I see Eal already deleted them.

But if those guys wanted to abuse trust system they could easily open fake sale threads and then give themselves positive trusts which hasn't been done.

Also those guys are not in the default trust system so they're not already seen as trusted (green). Those unreferenced trusts didn't effect their trust status even a little bit.

On the other hand any of these guys tried to get into default trust system like marcotheminer. You can see tomatocage's post about marcotheminer's wish:

Quote from: Tomatocage on January 13, 2015, 06:49:08 PM

Marco was pushing pretty hard for me to add him to my Trust list, and this all makes perfect sense now. Mind you, having multiple accounts is not against forum rules.

Just a thought, but couldnt you leave a neutral rating in turkish (or even better in turkish and english) for this? That would allow you to keep your local customs about the use of the trust system without causing confusion in the international section.

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Feedback removed, Eal has explained the situation and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Have a great day guys.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on March 06, 2015, 07:48:32 AM

Quote from: troleybüs on March 05, 2015, 05:26:01 AM

This is my only account here, I don't have any alt accounts. Real people that know me in Turkey can confirm that.

How would real people in Turkey be able to confirm you don't have alts here? And besides, I don't think that is true:

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nasthedon

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Quote from: nasthedon on February 26, 2014, 08:19:12 PM

nasthedon

Thank you.

Not that there is anything wrong with having alts but using them to abuse the trust system is.

Quote from: arallmuus on March 06, 2015, 07:34:48 AM

EDIT : it seems like both cakir and troleybus returned it back to bit-x, so this scam accusation can be close

Marco is the only one who can do that. The trust issue should still be cleared up or resolved in my opinion at least for Eal's sake.

I want to say a few things about trust system abuse issue:

First of all, I don't think giving positive trust to people who you know in your real life. Here's the Türkish point of view about this:
Giving positive trust to someone without any reference means "If this guy scams you I'll pay for him".
Also it means: "if you trust me you can trust him too".

I think those feedbacks were given for Turkish Marketplace not for all Forum. (There're lots of rules and regulations in Turkey about international shopping, there're lots of taxes etc, So even you want to buy asics, they are imported via companies and then they're sold, otherwise they're too expensive, if you don't have a man inside the Customs you may not be able to get your asic it would be held by government.)

That's why Eal tried to defend Zeki to have his own hero account (which was hacked) for himself. We, Turkish people defend people's rights who we know, trust. (And then marcotheminer retaliated of course).

If you're thinking that's abusing the trust system it's quite easy to solve, All unreferenced feedbacks can be deleted, As far as I see Eal already deleted them.

But if those guys wanted to abuse trust system they could easily open fake sale threads and then give themselves positive trusts which hasn't been done.

Also those guys are not in the default trust system so they're not already seen as trusted (green). Those unreferenced trusts didn't effect their trust status even a little bit.

On the other hand any of these guys tried to get into default trust system like marcotheminer. You can see tomatocage's post about marcotheminer's wish:

Quote from: Tomatocage on January 13, 2015, 06:49:08 PM

Marco was pushing pretty hard for me to add him to my Trust list, and this all makes perfect sense now. Mind you, having multiple accounts is not against forum rules.

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It seems that he (Eal F. Skillz) doesn't want to resolve the situation, now I've sent him a PM and I hope he will reply to me (if he will resolve the situation I will remove the negative trust because are not needed).

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I'm not sure if they can or not but I suppose it's up to Marco whether he considers it resolved or not and wishes to lock it.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on March 06, 2015, 07:48:32 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on March 06, 2015, 07:34:48 AM

EDIT : it seems like both cakir and troleybus returned it back to bit-x, so this scam accusation can be close

Marco is the only one who can do that. The trust issue should still be cleared up or resolved in my opinion at least for Eal's sake.

Sorry if im asking it here which is abit off topic, a Banned user cant lock its own thread?

I do think the issue about Eal's trust issue should be resolved , but not in this thread since this is about the overpay amount of troleybus/Ealz which is resolved because Troleybus sent it back

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Quote from: troleybüs on March 05, 2015, 05:26:01 AM

This is my only account here, I don't have any alt accounts. Real people that know me in Turkey can confirm that.

How would real people in Turkey be able to confirm you don't have alts here? And besides, I don't think that is true:

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nasthedon

Thank you.

Quote from: nasthedon on February 26, 2014, 08:19:12 PM

nasthedon

Thank you.

Not that there is anything wrong with having alts but using them to abuse the trust system is.

Quote from: arallmuus on March 06, 2015, 07:34:48 AM

EDIT : it seems like both cakir and troleybus returned it back to bit-x, so this scam accusation can be close

Marco is the only one who can do that. The trust issue should still be cleared up or resolved in my opinion at least for Eal's sake.

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Quote from: shorena on March 06, 2015, 07:18:47 AM

Quote from: cakir on March 05, 2015, 06:23:30 PM

-snip-
edit: I also wonder that; will he kick out himself from his own signature campaign? Grin

Sorry for the OT reply, but marco was banned for PM spam not for post spam. Apparently he was advertising the bot to others running a signature campaign.

seems a bit off topic but here is the rules of this from which Marco put in the OP

Quote from: marcotheminer on November 29, 2014, 04:42:32 PM

-snip-

Rules:

- All users who receive valid negative trust and/or are banned for spam or likewise during the course of the campaign will be denied payment.

EDIT : it seems like both cakir and troleybus returned it back to bit-x, so this scam accusation can be close

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Quote from: shorena on March 06, 2015, 07:18:47 AM

Quote from: cakir on March 05, 2015, 06:23:30 PM

-snip-
edit: I also wonder that; will he kick out himself from his own signature campaign? Grin

Sorry for the OT reply, but marco was banned for PM spam not for post spam. Apparently he was advertising the bot to others running a signature campaign.

I don't think that is the only reason why he got banned.
As far as I follow marcotheminer also spammed other signature campaigns to get more participants. Also he had an obsession about being the 100th page's first poster and keep posted same gif repeatedly.

All of those posts were deleted.

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Quote from: cakir on March 05, 2015, 06:23:30 PM

-snip-
edit: I also wonder that; will he kick out himself from his own signature campaign? Grin

Sorry for the OT reply, but marco was banned for PM spam not for post spam. Apparently he was advertising the bot to others running a signature campaign.

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I've got a pm from Bit-x.com. Here it's:

Quote from: cakir on March 05, 2015, 08:00:07 PM

Quote from: BIT-X.com on March 05, 2015, 07:54:52 PM

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If the company asks their 0.02 BTC I can send it back directly to bit-x.

Campaign funds go to the campaign wallet which Marcotheminer has given. So please return there.

Provide me fund address please. I don't have time to check it.

Anyway I've found out Troleybüs sent back to this addres: 1DwsNFJnXFSFtXP7M2q4rVczLyTqNpz1pb
I've sent 0.02 BTC to this address too.
Here it is: https://blockchain.info/tx/f15b52bafcc7fb8ab9e106ac713890f3f3efb2503bb1f2ac2b21daf8121bc3cf

Also, I suggest forum members not to join marcotheminer's sig campaigns.
Because he doesn't do his job well, he overpays, makes a deal with overpaid member and then kicks out from campaign and asks for refund.
He got banned because of spamming, which is not allowed by forum rules Grin

at least 2 of his campaign members got banned because of spamming. (madness: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/madness-banned-976685 and fildza: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/any-mod-willing-to-help-me-976914 )

I also suggest bit-x.com to change their sig campaign manager. obviously marcotheminer is not capable of handling this kinda operation.

edit: I also wonder that; will he kick out himself from his own signature campaign? Grin

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Quote from: shulio on March 05, 2015, 07:33:44 AM

this concludes this scam accusation, troley need to return the overpay amount, then it is all set

I sent funds to this address.

Quote from: marcotheminer on January 28, 2015, 08:02:21 PM

Very well, then please send back 0.055 to 1DwsNFJnXFSFtXP7M2q4rVczLyTqNpz1pb.

Why was he banned?

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Quote from: troleybüs on March 05, 2015, 05:26:01 AM

If I owe Bit-X they should PM me. I don't get any PM from them since 26 February. I'll pay them if they send me their address with a signed message. All my life I live with my honor. I don't owe anybody. Even that is not my fault I'll pay them and clear my name. This is my only account here, I don't have any alt accounts. Real people that know me in Turkey can confirm that.

They read my message but don't answered, I'm still waiting.

this concludes this scam accusation, troley need to return the overpay amount, then it is all set
Bolded a few points , this is about 0.055 btc overpay from bit-x campaign , if there is a discussion about Eal's using alt or leaving trust to himself , it can be discussed in another thread

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If I owe Bit-X they should PM me. I don't get any PM from them since 26 February. I'll pay them if they send me their address with a signed message. All my life I live with my honor. I don't owe anybody. Even that is not my fault I'll pay them and clear my name. This is my only account here, I don't have any alt accounts. Real people that know me in Turkey can confirm that.

They read my message but don't answered, I'm still waiting.

I get a reply from Bit-X:

Quote from: BIT-X.com on March 05, 2015, 05:33:29 PM

Quote from: troleybüs on March 05, 2015, 10:28:04 AM

Send me your BTC address with signed message please. I want to clear this mess.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10666475

Campaign funds go to the campaign wallet which Marcotheminer has given. So please return there.

0.055 BTC sent.

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The retaliation seems to be coming equally from both sides and predates this accusation and it's obvious you've both rubbed each other up the wrong way. Regardless of whether eal and trollybus and pandacoin and others are alts or just friends they have obviously conspired to abuse the feedback system and retaliate against others that have had run ins with eal or vice versa. This retaliatory feedback from these Turkish accounts has happened at least three times on people in this thread alone and there's at least one other I know of that hasn't spoken up. The accusation by marco is petty and doesn't really seem like a scam to me but obviously he's taken the opportunity to get a one-up here for previous quarrels and negative feedbacks received and I can't really blame him. This is what happens when you get into petty spats and egos are involved because both parties are always trying to take the other down and will uncover any dirt they can no matter how petty to come out the victor.

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This is Obvious Retaliation of Marcotheminer

Let me tell you why this is retaliation.

First of all everything started with Turkish Member yussuf89's account has been stollen.
Turkish board moderator Eal tried to defence Zeki (a.k.a real owner of the hero account) and said that Zeki should keep the account because of hacking and he shouldn't pay the loan back. Zeki and marcotheminer decided to sell this hacked account to cover the loaned money...
As you can see marcotheminer has a negative trust from Administrator Badbear "Traffics in stolen accounts " https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=147773

Then marcotheminer wanted to retaliate Eal so started this thread. I know that Eal and Troleybüs are different people, Eal has nothing to do with this accusation. But marcotheminer thinks otherwise.

Anyway, What does revenge seeker marcotheminer say?
In the beginning he said that: "Troleybüs owes him money" You can see that on the reply subject's of this thread: " Re: Troleybüs/Eal F. Skillz/Pandacoin Owes Me 0.055 BTC ". For one week marcotheminer wanted bit-x's money for himself He changed it when I warned him: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10649918

After that I remembered the first month of this sig campaign. Marcotheminer had overpaid me too. And I told that over 20 hours ago. Check here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10650103

It has been nearly one day, neither marcotheminer nor bit-x contacted me for refund which I said that to refund is ok for me.

What should we understand from that? marcotheminer doesn't care about bit-x's money; he's only thinking to get back at Eal (who's unrelated) in a childish mood. If he cared about client's money he should've asked me for refund too. Also Troleybüs and marcotheminer had agreement to correct marcotheminer's fault. Troleybüs already stated here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10594132
Instead of marcotheminer act loyal to his agreement he started a childish war against Eal.

Also marcotheminer expanded this childish war against some of Turkish board members;
pandacoin is also another person whom gave yussuf89 (hacked account) negative trust, than he deleted it when marcotheminer and zeki have agreement.
karatma1 is also another person, marcotheminer tried to block his acceptance on a sig campaign: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10641841

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I think Marco pretty much nailed these guys. I thought something like this was the case when Eal dropped me a negative for nothing that had to do with him. Going to see if he responds...guessing he will not though.

Edit: Left all 3 of these guys negative feedback...I will remove if proven wrong.

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Quote from: TrianglePythagoras on March 04, 2015, 09:28:26 AM

I personally don't trust staff members with alt accounts that aren't known to the public.

So the problem is that you would never know if someone have alt accounts when he will cautious enough. It is not so hard. From the other hand, some people do not care about disclosure of their own alts. But this is matter for another discussion.

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Quote from: redsn0w on March 04, 2015, 09:21:51 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 09:16:11 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on March 04, 2015, 09:07:26 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 08:55:57 AM

I still think Eal should address the allegations. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now however this benefit should not extend forever. Particularly concerning is giving himself trust if these are in fact his alts.

If Marco paid too much then he should bite the bullet from the overpayment as he paid too much. If he kicked someone out of his campaign mid month then he should pay them for the posts made up to the date they were kicked out.

There is no reason why all the mods should not be regularly checking the scam accusacations section so there is no reason why eal has not yet read this.

Have you checked the latest posts of that account, he should be banned for 14 days ( insubstantial posts +sig ad). Everyone of us know he will never be banned because he (Eal F. Skillz) is a staff member.

Do you think the proofs aren't valid, I doubt the bitcoin blockchain can be falsifiable. As I told him through pm "Everyone make mistake, but everyone should "correct" their mistakes".

I am not in charge of handing out bans so I cannot speak to why (or if) any of the accused have or have not been banned.

I do think the blockchain evidence does show they are the same person however I want to hear what eal says before making my own conclusion.

The overpayment is Marcos mistake not eal's mistake (or whoever owns the account in question's mistake)

Yes you are right, but if I will send you 1 btc and after check and I just had to sent you only 0.50 BTC , will you send me back the 0.5 btc or not ? This is only a question about "honesty" (nothing else). I agree with you, the first mistake is from marcotheminer, but (I think) the alt account should send back the btc.

This is just my personal opinion, and I will be glad to remove the negative trust if I was wrong.

if i am Eal F skilz, i will send it back, and get it done, it is not worth to risk the title of staff just for a small amount of 0.05, which is like ~$15, but Eal risk his position with this small amount and also if Eal dont return it, someone needs to pay it back to bit-x, which is Marco, because he was the one who sent the excess funds

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 09:27:52 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on March 04, 2015, 09:21:51 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 09:16:11 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on March 04, 2015, 09:07:26 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 08:55:57 AM

I still think Eal should address the allegations. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now however this benefit should not extend forever. Particularly concerning is giving himself trust if these are in fact his alts.

If Marco paid too much then he should bite the bullet from the overpayment as he paid too much. If he kicked someone out of his campaign mid month then he should pay them for the posts made up to the date they were kicked out.

There is no reason why all the mods should not be regularly checking the scam accusacations section so there is no reason why eal has not yet read this.

Have you checked the latest posts of that account, he should be banned for 14 days ( insubstantial posts +sig ad). Everyone of us know he will never be banned because he (Eal F. Skillz) is a staff member.

Do you think the proofs aren't valid, I doubt the bitcoin blockchain can be falsifiable. As I told him through pm "Everyone make mistake, but everyone should "correct" their mistakes".

I am not in charge of handing out bans so I cannot speak to why (or if) any of the accused have or have not been banned.

I do think the blockchain evidence does show they are the same person however I want to hear what eal says before making my own conclusion.

The overpayment is Marcos mistake not eal's mistake (or whoever owns the account in question's mistake)

Yes you are right, but if I will send you 1 btc and after check and I just had to sent you only 0.50 BTC , will you send me back the 0.5 btc or not ? This is only a question about "honesty" (nothing else). I agree with you, the first mistake is from marcotheminer, but (I think) the alt account should send back the btc.

This is just my personal opinion, and I will be glad to remove the negative trust if I was wrong.

I would personally send the excess amount back because I would want to maintain my relationship with my trading partners. However if you send Bitcoin to someone then it is that persons property barring some prior agreement to repay amounts.

There is also a claim that the funds were confiscated from the bit-x account and if this is the case then it would be 100% Marcos problem. This is also another example as to why payments should not be sent to a website account.

Thanks for your opinion, you will do this because you are honest.

Quote from: TrianglePythagoras on March 04, 2015, 09:28:26 AM

I personally don't trust staff members with alt accounts that aren't known to the public.

Thanks also to you for your opinion, I trust only the honest users and it seems that him is not honest (not only about the question of the funds |0.055 btc| but also for the postive trusts given between his "alt accounts").

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Quote from: redsn0w on March 04, 2015, 09:21:51 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 09:16:11 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on March 04, 2015, 09:07:26 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 08:55:57 AM

I still think Eal should address the allegations. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now however this benefit should not extend forever. Particularly concerning is giving himself trust if these are in fact his alts.

If Marco paid too much then he should bite the bullet from the overpayment as he paid too much. If he kicked someone out of his campaign mid month then he should pay them for the posts made up to the date they were kicked out.

There is no reason why all the mods should not be regularly checking the scam accusacations section so there is no reason why eal has not yet read this.

Have you checked the latest posts of that account, he should be banned for 14 days ( insubstantial posts +sig ad). Everyone of us know he will never be banned because he (Eal F. Skillz) is a staff member.

Do you think the proofs aren't valid, I doubt the bitcoin blockchain can be falsifiable. As I told him through pm "Everyone make mistake, but everyone should "correct" their mistakes".

I am not in charge of handing out bans so I cannot speak to why (or if) any of the accused have or have not been banned.

I do think the blockchain evidence does show they are the same person however I want to hear what eal says before making my own conclusion.

The overpayment is Marcos mistake not eal's mistake (or whoever owns the account in question's mistake)

Yes you are right, but if I will send you 1 btc and after check and I just had to sent you only 0.50 BTC , will you send me back the 0.5 btc or not ? This is only a question about "honesty" (nothing else). I agree with you, the first mistake is from marcotheminer, but (I think) the alt account should send back the btc.

This is just my personal opinion, and I will be glad to remove the negative trust if I was wrong.

I would personally send the excess amount back because I would want to maintain my relationship with my trading partners. However if you send Bitcoin to someone then it is that persons property barring some prior agreement to repay amounts.

There is also a claim that the funds were confiscated from the bit-x account and if this is the case then it would be 100% Marcos problem. This is also another example as to why payments should not be sent to a website account.

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 09:16:11 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on March 04, 2015, 09:07:26 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 08:55:57 AM

I still think Eal should address the allegations. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now however this benefit should not extend forever. Particularly concerning is giving himself trust if these are in fact his alts.

If Marco paid too much then he should bite the bullet from the overpayment as he paid too much. If he kicked someone out of his campaign mid month then he should pay them for the posts made up to the date they were kicked out.

There is no reason why all the mods should not be regularly checking the scam accusacations section so there is no reason why eal has not yet read this.

Have you checked the latest posts of that account, he should be banned for 14 days ( insubstantial posts +sig ad). Everyone of us know he will never be banned because he (Eal F. Skillz) is a staff member.

Do you think the proofs aren't valid, I doubt the bitcoin blockchain can be falsifiable. As I told him through pm "Everyone make mistake, but everyone should "correct" their mistakes".

I am not in charge of handing out bans so I cannot speak to why (or if) any of the accused have or have not been banned.

I do think the blockchain evidence does show they are the same person however I want to hear what eal says before making my own conclusion.

The overpayment is Marcos mistake not eal's mistake (or whoever owns the account in question's mistake)

Yes you are right, but if I will send you 1 btc and after check and I just had to sent you only 0.50 BTC , will you send me back the 0.5 btc or not ? This is only a question about "honesty" (nothing else). I agree with you, the first mistake is from marcotheminer, but (I think) the alt account should send back the btc.

This is just my personal opinion, and I will be glad to remove the negative trust if I was wrong.

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Quote from: redsn0w on March 04, 2015, 09:07:26 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 08:55:57 AM

I still think Eal should address the allegations. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now however this benefit should not extend forever. Particularly concerning is giving himself trust if these are in fact his alts.

If Marco paid too much then he should bite the bullet from the overpayment as he paid too much. If he kicked someone out of his campaign mid month then he should pay them for the posts made up to the date they were kicked out.

There is no reason why all the mods should not be regularly checking the scam accusacations section so there is no reason why eal has not yet read this.

Have you checked the latest posts of that account, he should be banned for 14 days ( insubstantial posts +sig ad). Everyone of us know he will never be banned because he (Eal F. Skillz) is a staff member.

Do you think the proofs aren't valid, I doubt the bitcoin blockchain can be falsifiable. As I told him through pm "Everyone make mistake, but everyone should "correct" their mistakes".

I am not in charge of handing out bans so I cannot speak to why (or if) any of the accused have or have not been banned.

I do think the blockchain evidence does show they are the same person however I want to hear what eal says before making my own conclusion.

The overpayment is Marcos mistake not eal's mistake (or whoever owns the account in question's mistake)

redsn0w

legendary

Activity: 1778

Merit: 1043

#Free market

Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2015, 08:55:57 AM

I still think Eal should address the allegations. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now however this benefit should not extend forever. Particularly concerning is giving himself trust if these are in fact his alts.

If Marco paid too much then he should bite the bullet from the overpayment as he paid too much. If he kicked someone out of his campaign mid month then he should pay them for the posts made up to the date they were kicked out.

There is no reason why all the mods should not be regularly checking the scam accusacations section so there is no reason why eal has not yet read this.

Have you checked the latest posts of that account, he should be banned for 14 days ( insubstantial posts +sig ad). Everyone of us know he will never be banned because he (Eal F. Skillz) is a staff member.

Do you think the proofs aren't valid, I doubt the bitcoin blockchain can be falsifiable. As I told him through pm "Everyone make mistake, but everyone should "correct" their mistakes".

Quickseller

copper member

Activity: 2996

Merit: 2374

I still think Eal should address the allegations. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now however this benefit should not extend forever. Particularly concerning is giving himself trust if these are in fact his alts.

If Marco paid too much then he should bite the bullet from the overpayment as he paid too much. If he kicked someone out of his campaign mid month then he should pay them for the posts made up to the date they were kicked out.

There is no reason why all the mods should not be regularly checking the scam accusacations section so there is no reason why eal has not yet read this.

OrangeSeller

hero member

Activity: 1008

Merit: 501

Marco sent the wrong amount (overpay)
Macro ask for return of the overpay
Trolley don't return it
Trolley deserves a red trust
If he is Eal then he ruin his staff rank with 0.05
And Marco needs to pay the overpay from his pocket
Mistake from him for sending an overpay amount

This concludes all
Stop the drama

redsn0w

legendary

Activity: 1778

Merit: 1043

#Free market

I've left him a negative trust , the proofs "are valid" and this is a dishonest comportment from him (a staff member). I will glad to remove the negative trust once he will resolve all the situation.

ajareselde

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 1000

Satoshi is rolling in his grave. #bitcoin

Quote from: troleybüs on March 04, 2015, 07:49:27 AM

Have any of you read my reply here?

I don't owe marco or bit-x. It's your fault to overpay people who are in signature campaign. That means if anybody owes anything, you owe Bit-x and you have to pay in your own pocket. You didn't do your job. You didn't count people's posts properly. Now you are blaming me? That's too sad for you.
You kicked me without a valid reason and try to hijack my february payment at the end of the month. I didn't even want money for my overcounted posts in january which is totally your fault.
I offered you 3 reasonable solutions but you never replied them. I showed my good intention since day 1 but you were so stubborn. Because you are a pathetic loser who can't even do an easy job. By opening this thread all you think is trying to retaliate Turkish members because you want to SELL A HACKED ACCOUNT of yussuf89. Now everybody knows your real face. You are not trustworthy. You farm trusts with fake loans. You are a trust farmer untrustworthy member with tens of confirmed multiple accounts.

Dude, marcotheminer represents bit-x in matter of signature campaign, and reserves the right to kick out any of us.
I wont get in argument who owes who, but we have seen the quality of posts you have made (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/troleybus-249250), and in my opinion
you should not say things like "without a valid reason" , just read OP on campaign; he reserves the right ti kick anyone out, we agreed on this when we signed up.

Imho you did a terrible mistake by not paying/returning for what is not yours, and you could of easily earn those ~0,05 BTC and just forget about even having a problem, but nooo..

cheers

marcotheminer

legendary

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Merit: 1049

┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴

Quote from: troleybüs on March 04, 2015, 07:49:27 AM

Have any of you read my reply here?

I don't owe marco or bit-x. It's your fault to overpay people who are in signature campaign. That means if anybody owes anything, you owe Bit-x and you have to pay in your own pocket. You didn't do your job. You didn't count people's posts properly. Now you are blaming me? That's too sad for you.
You kicked me without a valid reason and try to hijack my february payment at the end of the month. I didn't even want money for my overcounted posts in january which is totally your fault.
I offered you 3 reasonable solutions but you never replied them. I showed my good intention since day 1 but you were so stubborn. Because you are a pathetic loser who can't even do an easy job. By opening this thread all you think is trying to retaliate Turkish members because you want to SELL A HACKED ACCOUNT of yussuf89. Now everybody knows your real face. You are not trustworthy. You farm trusts with fake loans. You are a trust farmer untrustworthy member with tens of confirmed multiple accounts.

Your 'reasonable solutions' included having me deduct future earnings but your spam posts led to no earnings.

I never and have never loan(ed) myself, what a silly accusation.

The account isn't hacked anymore it is in my complete control as per the original account holder's signed message.

redsn0w

legendary

Activity: 1778

Merit: 1043

#Free market

Quote from: troleybüs on March 04, 2015, 07:49:27 AM

Have any of you read my reply here?

I don't owe marco or bit-x. It's your fault to overpay people who are in signature campaign. That means if anybody owes anything, you owe Bit-x and you have to pay in your own pocket. You didn't do your job. You didn't count people's posts properly. Now you are blaming me? That's too sad for you.
You kicked me without a valid reason and try to hijack my february payment at the end of the month. I didn't even want money for my overcounted posts in january which is totally your fault.
I offered you 3 reasonable solutions but you never replied them. I showed my good intention since day 1 but you were so stubborn. Because you are a pathetic loser who can't even do an easy job. By opening this thread all you think is trying to retaliate Turkish members because you want to SELL A HACKED ACCOUNT of yussuf89. Now everybody knows your real face. You are not trustworthy. You farm trusts with fake loans. You are a trust farmer untrustworthy member with tens of confirmed multiple accounts.

You have received a negative trust from a trusted member, You should reply from your "main" account (Eal F. Skillz) and try to resolve all this situation. Good luck with your battle.

troleybüs

legendary

Activity: 1424

Merit: 1001

Have any of you read my reply here?

I don't owe marco or bit-x. It's your fault to overpay people who are in signature campaign. That means if anybody owes anything, you owe Bit-x and you have to pay in your own pocket. You didn't do your job. You didn't count people's posts properly. Now you are blaming me? That's too sad for you.
You kicked me without a valid reason and try to hijack my february payment at the end of the month. I didn't even want money for my overcounted posts in january which is totally your fault.
I offered you 3 reasonable solutions but you never replied them. I showed my good intention since day 1 but you were so stubborn. Because you are a pathetic loser who can't even do an easy job. By opening this thread all you think is trying to retaliate Turkish members because you want to SELL A HACKED ACCOUNT of yussuf89. Now everybody knows your real face. You are not trustworthy. You farm trusts with fake loans. You are a trust farmer untrustworthy member with tens of confirmed multiple accounts.

marcotheminer

legendary

Activity: 2072

Merit: 1049

┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴

Quote from: cakir on March 03, 2015, 08:51:02 PM

Wait a second. Does Troleybüs owes 0.055 btc to you or the owner of the sig campaing?
If you're not the owner of Bit-x then you can't claim that he/she owes you...

The campaign. Fixed.

cakir

legendary

Activity: 1274

Merit: 1000

★ BitClave ICO: 15/09/17 ★

I can second that (I quoted below) you're wrong about this topic. It's all your fault marcotheminer.

Quote from: troleybüs on February 26, 2015, 06:04:30 PM

I didn't spam as you have to check my counted posts only. They are ok. But I understand why you didn't wanna pay me. Because you want to control your signature deal with all your alts and get most of the money. I can see that one coming, because I offered you an easy and reasonable solution but you didn't even respond to my message.

In that case, I don't owe you 0.055 BTC, you had to cut my 17 messages which you accidentally count last payment day which is totally your fault. I've already said you shouldn't count them in the first place. I'll write message history in below.
You owe me 0.057BTC for my legit posts which made in February. Everybody should know, you betrayed Bit-X company and as a campaign organizer you tried to take advantage of the program with your multiple accounts.

It's funny you mention Eal F. Skillz and Pandacoin. Tonight we watched Beşiktaş - Liverpool game together. Check our photo in instagram. Cheesy

-snip-

Here are my proofs; I've joined bit-x campaign on 2nd december for the first time.
I've posted ~130 qualified posts, but you've sent me 0.156 BTC.
Here's the tx; https://blockchain.info/tx/7956ef70d89ae236e539e13143ae18d8b9c130fbcbf0e743b200aea15cedc30b
My address is that; 1FAaKgpAyu9UEGqt5roj6TSRZgzBVoJjnq

You were irresponsible about this campaign, and you didn't care about bit-x's funds.

How do I know I had ~130 posts that qualify? Because I've kept my qualified posts back then. Here're they, you may count or check them, Over 20 posts that I've been paid were in Turkish which wasn't supported back then...

I'm warning bit-x's owners, marco didn't care about your sig campaign, and he won't care after that.

If the company asks their 0.02 BTC I can send it back directly to bit-x. Marco doesn't have a saying on that. He is just an unreliable escrow and he doesn't own the money.

My posts; (ps: last a few posts may be written after payment, this is why the count is ~130)

Code:

2 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=880511.msg9721014#msg9721014
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881121.msg9721086#msg9721086

3 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=882055.msg9731849#msg9731849
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846407.msg9731943#msg9731943
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.msg9732219#msg9732219

4 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=882265.msg9732488#msg9732488
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=882265.msg9732604#msg9732604

5 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883878.msg9750086#msg9750086
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856374.msg9750171#msg9750171
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883933.msg9750731#msg9750731

6 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878406.msg9762305#msg9762305

7 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883933.msg9767713#msg9767713
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=859820.msg9767943#msg9767943
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=885673.msg9768628#msg9768628
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=884789.msg9768653#msg9768653

8 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=885439.msg9771058#msg9771058
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=735170.msg9771149#msg9771149
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=884870.msg9771237#msg9771237
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=874529.msg9778548#msg9778548

9 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883589.msg9781086#msg9781086
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=886611.msg9781152#msg9781152
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=886814.msg9781360#msg9781360
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=784286.msg9782081#msg9782081
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=887506.msg9786186#msg9786186
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=886432.msg9786226#msg9786226

10 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888571.msg9800923#msg9800923
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888883.msg9800957#msg9800957
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881230.msg9800983#msg9800983
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888938.msg9801168#msg9801168

11 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=887424.msg9801251#msg9801251
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=885738.msg9801609#msg9801609
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888757.msg9802223#msg9802223
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=885736.msg9809501#msg9809501
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=885736.msg9809723#msg9809723

12 dec
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888194.msg9812407#msg9812407
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765587.msg9812699#msg9812699
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890165.msg9813656#msg9813656
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883840.msg9813717#msg9813717
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890030.msg9820721#msg9820721
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=886814.msg9820738#msg9820738

13 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=892298.msg9830376#msg9830376
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890559.msg9830597#msg9830597
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890232.msg9830644#msg9830644

14 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893335.msg9838234#msg9838234
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893250.msg9839444#msg9839444
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893617.msg9839604#msg9839604
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=735170.msg9839660#msg9839660
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893230.msg9839700#msg9839700
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893230.msg9839794#msg9839794
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=850784.msg9839979#msg9839979
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893230.msg9840099#msg9840099

15 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=887636.msg9842739#msg9842739
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=894043.msg9843136#msg9843136
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=894043.msg9843270#msg9843270
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888938.msg9843318#msg9843318

16 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=894033.msg9851142#msg9851142
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895079.msg9851323#msg9851323
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895038.msg9851461#msg9851461
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.msg9854001#msg9854001
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893230.msg9856093#msg9856093
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=892737.msg9856214#msg9856214

17 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=892902.msg9861880#msg9861880
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895605.msg9867438#msg9867438
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=894200.msg9867467#msg9867467
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896456.msg9867580#msg9867580

18 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883600.msg9881631#msg9881631
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883600.msg9881725#msg9881725
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=897764.msg9882124#msg9882124
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=802433.msg9882177#msg9882177
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=897212.msg9882314#msg9882314
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=897813.msg9882412#msg9882412

19 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883600.msg9883840#msg9883840
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=899244.msg9891995#msg9891995
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896456.msg9892030#msg9892030
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888801.msg9892059#msg9892059

20 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883600.msg9892663#msg9892663
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=899911.msg9892674#msg9892674
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=899972.msg9894120#msg9894120
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=900004.msg9894130#msg9894130
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=899803.msg9894824#msg9894824
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=899242.msg9894830#msg9894830
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=899242.msg9898955#msg9898955
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=899972.msg9898976#msg9898976


21 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883600.msg9904576#msg9904576
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901308.msg9906818#msg9906818

22 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=900250.msg9913035#msg9913035
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901398.msg9913047#msg9913047
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893985.msg9913148#msg9913148
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901798.msg9913467#msg9913467
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901664.msg9913483#msg9913483
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901664.msg9916206#msg9916206
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895020.msg9916740#msg9916740
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895020.msg9916803#msg9916803
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895020.msg9916853#msg9916853

23 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902836.msg9926915#msg9926915
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=900432.msg9926943#msg9926943
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903377.msg9926960#msg9926960
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=610614.msg9927458#msg9927458

24 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903963.msg9933139#msg9933139
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=889492.msg9933192#msg9933192
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=904352.msg9936830#msg9936830

25 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=648560.msg9942717#msg9942717
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=904423.msg9942750#msg9942750
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895814.msg9942783#msg9942783
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903170.msg9943479#msg9943479

26 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902788.msg9949834#msg9949834
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=900418.msg9949857#msg9949857
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905226.msg9949985#msg9949985
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905226.msg9950052#msg9950052
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905674.msg9951776#msg9951776
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905674.msg9951859#msg9951859
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905226.msg9952361#msg9952361

27 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888484.msg9959169#msg9959169
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906026.msg9959190#msg9959190
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=898563.msg9959202#msg9959202
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906354.msg9959910#msg9959910

28 nov
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905808.msg9963953#msg9963953
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906680.msg9963961#msg9963961
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822446.msg9963975#msg9963975
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906642.msg9964014#msg9964014
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906616.msg9964231#msg9964231
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906388.msg9964243#msg9964243
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906768.msg9964276#msg9964276
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906820.msg9964367#msg9964367
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906820.msg9964437#msg9964437

cakir

legendary

Activity: 1274

Merit: 1000

★ BitClave ICO: 15/09/17 ★

Wait a second. Does Troleybüs owes 0.055 btc to you or the owner of the sig campaing?
If you're not the owner of Bit-x then you can't claim that he/she owes you...

ACCTseller

hero member

Activity: 532

Merit: 500

no longer selling accounts

I think Eal F. Skillz should respond to this accusation as the allegations against him are serious - there is nothing wrong with having alternate accounts, although giving himself positive trust is very concerning, and the fact that everyone who gave him positive trust is on his trust list is going to make him look more trustworthy then he really is (especially if some of these positive trust reports is from himself).

erwin45hacked

legendary

Activity: 1064

Merit: 1000

Eal seems to be around but is not addressing this thread

This seems to be interesting considering Marco posted a proof there , i hope Eal Address this thread soon.

EvilPanda

hero member

Activity: 658

Merit: 500

Small Red and Bad

This is interesting. I know Pandacoin and Troleybüs are somehow related because I've been given negative trust by both of them for the same thing once and then one of them PMed me to remove my negative (given in response) from both of their accounts. This doesn't mean that they are the same person though and even if they are this is allowed. I'd just give back the owed coins, especially since it's such a trivial sum and moved on.

Wardrick

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Activity: 1022

Merit: 1000

I haven't looked at the feedback exchanged, but to exchange feedback when you know someone in real life without saying so is kind of deceiving. It's the same thing that, for example, shdvb does. He constantly gets feedback and posts to his thread from people who either work for him or that he knows personally just to make him look more popular and trustworthy. Eal's situation is different, but I believe if he's going to be giving and receiving feedback from his friends then it should say that in the feedback especially if negative feedback is being given by the other accounts for problems involving their friends.

marcotheminer

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Merit: 1049

┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴

Quote from: BitcoinDistributor on February 27, 2015, 02:21:17 AM

Its freaking $10-$15...even if Eal F Skillz isn't the guy who owes, it would probably be in his best interest to just pay it and get it over with.

Make too much of a commotion and even if innocent you risk Theymos removing his mod status to just "play it safe".

No, if he (Eal F. Skillz) is innocent then he shouldn't pay anything. Troleybüs isn't innocent though.

BitcoinDistributor

sr. member

Activity: 350

Merit: 250

Its freaking $10-$15...even if Eal F Skillz isn't the guy who owes, it would probably be in his best interest to just pay it and get it over with.

Make too much of a commotion and even if innocent you risk Theymos removing his mod status to just "play it safe".

marcotheminer

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Merit: 1049

┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴

Quote from: cakir on February 27, 2015, 01:37:03 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on February 27, 2015, 01:24:00 AM

Quote from: cakir on February 27, 2015, 01:16:21 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on February 27, 2015, 01:05:43 AM

Quote from: MadZ on February 26, 2015, 05:34:04 PM

First of all, I would like to make it clear that at this point I do not think that these accounts are alts of Eal.

At the same time, I think all evidence should be presented, so here is some more circumstantial evidence linking these three accounts together: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=962893.40

All 3 post 15 minutes after one another. 15 minutes after Pandacoin posts, so does https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

Although the blockchain analysis is decent proof as well, I would like to hear what these users have to say about these accusations before finalizing my judgment. I think that there are legitimate reasons for these accounts to be linked so closely, although I'm not going to post them since they could be used to fabricate a story that seems legitimate.

I think that is enough proof.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

Dafuq? Do you really think this can be an evidence?

I'm on the same page too (primedice giveaway), Write me down as an alt too. Are you really this idiot?

This is a warning in Turkish section about primedice giveaway: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10532180
post:

Quote from: yussuf89 on February 21, 2015, 04:43:19 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/primedicecom-003-btc-each-giveaway-962893
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And not a single post from Pandacoin nor Troleybüs after that post, odd don't you think? They just went there and posted, 15 minutes from each other. Oh and not to mention the "trustworthy", with no reference, feedback they left each other.

Quote from: cakir on February 27, 2015, 01:16:21 AM

ps: I copied the message here because marco owns this account Grin

Well by the way, you're obviously doing this shit because of your revenge wish...

It's not a revenge wish, Eal F. Skillz didn't do anything to me prior to this incident (yes, he was a bit stubborn with his feedback on yussuf89 but that's it).

My post's date: (All dates are in Turkish Local Time, they may seen different to you)
February 21, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
Eal's post's date:
February 21, 2015, 02:46:44 PM
Pandacoin's post's date:
February 21, 2015, 02:58:07 PM
Troleybüs's post's date:
February 21, 2015, 03:11:12 PM
Karartma1's post's date:
February 21, 2015, 03:26:32 PM

These time differencies are not coincidence or implying they're own by the same person. I've posted before, there are couple of topics in Turkish section about those giveaways so non-English speaker friends can earn some BTC.

Also, I've posted 15 mins before Eal didn't you check it? Eal gave me same feedback mentioning "Trustworthy" without reference. Why am I not on that list? According to your logic I should be one of Eal's accounts...

No, your posting history is extremely different and you wouldn't be standing up for yourself if you weren't his alt I imagine.

Karartma1 is possibly another of his alts as all he does is post in giveaways exactly like pandacoin, Eal F Skillz and troleybüs.

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Quote from: marcotheminer on February 27, 2015, 01:24:00 AM

Quote from: cakir on February 27, 2015, 01:16:21 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on February 27, 2015, 01:05:43 AM

Quote from: MadZ on February 26, 2015, 05:34:04 PM

First of all, I would like to make it clear that at this point I do not think that these accounts are alts of Eal.

At the same time, I think all evidence should be presented, so here is some more circumstantial evidence linking these three accounts together: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=962893.40

All 3 post 15 minutes after one another. 15 minutes after Pandacoin posts, so does https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

Although the blockchain analysis is decent proof as well, I would like to hear what these users have to say about these accusations before finalizing my judgment. I think that there are legitimate reasons for these accounts to be linked so closely, although I'm not going to post them since they could be used to fabricate a story that seems legitimate.

I think that is enough proof.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

Dafuq? Do you really think this can be an evidence?

I'm on the same page too (primedice giveaway), Write me down as an alt too. Are you really this idiot?

This is a warning in Turkish section about primedice giveaway: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10532180
post:

Quote from: yussuf89 on February 21, 2015, 04:43:19 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/primedicecom-003-btc-each-giveaway-962893
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And not a single post from Pandacoin nor Troleybüs after that post, odd don't you think? They just went there and posted, 15 minutes from each other. Oh and not to mention the "trustworthy", with no reference, feedback they left each other.

Quote from: cakir on February 27, 2015, 01:16:21 AM

ps: I copied the message here because marco owns this account Grin

Well by the way, you're obviously doing this shit because of your revenge wish...

It's not a revenge wish, Eal F. Skillz didn't do anything to me prior to this incident (yes, he was a bit stubborn with his feedback on yussuf89 but that's it).

My post's date: (All dates are in Turkish Local Time, they may seen different to you)
February 21, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
Eal's post's date:
February 21, 2015, 02:46:44 PM
Pandacoin's post's date:
February 21, 2015, 02:58:07 PM
Troleybüs's post's date:
February 21, 2015, 03:11:12 PM
Karartma1's post's date:
February 21, 2015, 03:26:32 PM

These time differencies are not coincidence or implying they're own by the same person. I've posted before, there are couple of topics in Turkish section about those giveaways so non-English speaker friends can earn some BTC.

Also, I've posted 15 mins before Eal didn't you check it? Eal gave me same feedback mentioning "Trustworthy" without reference. Why am I not on that list? According to your logic I should be one of Eal's accounts...

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Quote from: cakir on February 27, 2015, 01:16:21 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on February 27, 2015, 01:05:43 AM

Quote from: MadZ on February 26, 2015, 05:34:04 PM

First of all, I would like to make it clear that at this point I do not think that these accounts are alts of Eal.

At the same time, I think all evidence should be presented, so here is some more circumstantial evidence linking these three accounts together: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=962893.40

All 3 post 15 minutes after one another. 15 minutes after Pandacoin posts, so does https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

Although the blockchain analysis is decent proof as well, I would like to hear what these users have to say about these accusations before finalizing my judgment. I think that there are legitimate reasons for these accounts to be linked so closely, although I'm not going to post them since they could be used to fabricate a story that seems legitimate.

I think that is enough proof.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

Dafuq? Do you really think this can be an evidence?

I'm on the same page too (primedice giveaway), Write me down as an alt too. Are you really this idiot?

This is a warning in Turkish section about primedice giveaway: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10532180
post:

Quote from: yussuf89 on February 21, 2015, 04:43:19 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/primedicecom-003-btc-each-giveaway-962893
Stunna 0.03 veriyor ilk 100 e. Minimum 300 activity gerekiyor.

And not a single post from Pandacoin nor Troleybüs after that post, odd don't you think? They just went there and posted, 15 minutes from each other. Oh and not to mention the "trustworthy", with no reference, feedback they left each other.

Quote from: cakir on February 27, 2015, 01:16:21 AM

ps: I copied the message here because marco owns this account Grin

Well by the way, you're obviously doing this shit because of your revenge wish...

It's not a revenge wish, Eal F. Skillz didn't do anything to me prior to this incident (yes, he was a bit stubborn with his feedback on yussuf89 but that's it).

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Quote from: marcotheminer on February 27, 2015, 01:05:43 AM

Quote from: MadZ on February 26, 2015, 05:34:04 PM

First of all, I would like to make it clear that at this point I do not think that these accounts are alts of Eal.

At the same time, I think all evidence should be presented, so here is some more circumstantial evidence linking these three accounts together: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=962893.40

All 3 post 15 minutes after one another. 15 minutes after Pandacoin posts, so does https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

Although the blockchain analysis is decent proof as well, I would like to hear what these users have to say about these accusations before finalizing my judgment. I think that there are legitimate reasons for these accounts to be linked so closely, although I'm not going to post them since they could be used to fabricate a story that seems legitimate.

I think that is enough proof.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

Dafuq? Do you really think this can be an evidence?

I'm on the same page too (primedice giveaway), Write me down as an alt too. Are you really this idiot?

This is a warning in Turkish section about primedice giveaway: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10532180
post:

Quote from: yussuf89 on February 21, 2015, 04:43:19 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/primedicecom-003-btc-each-giveaway-962893
Stunna 0.03 veriyor ilk 100 e. Minimum 300 activity gerekiyor.

ps: I copied the message here because marco owns this account Grin

Well by the way, you're obviously doing this shit because of your revenge wish...

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Quote from: troleybüs on February 26, 2015, 06:04:30 PM

I didn't spam as you have to check my counted posts only. They are ok. But I understand why you didn't wanna pay me. Because you want to control your signature deal with all your alts and get most of the money. I can see that one coming, because I offered you an easy and reasonable solution but you didn't even respond to my message.

In that case, I don't owe you 0.055 BTC, you had to cut my 17 messages which you accidentally count last payment day which is totally your fault. I've already said you shouldn't count them in the first place. I'll write message history in below.
You owe me some amount of BTC which I couldn't count total because you erased my name in your bot. Which is fine, I don't need your dirty money. But everybody should know, you betrayed Bit-X company and as a campaign organizer you tried to take advantage of the program with your multiple accounts.

It's funny you mention Eal F. Skillz and Pandacoin. Tonight we watched Beşiktaş - Liverpool game together. Check our photo in instagram. Cheesy

PM History:

Quote from: marcotheminer on January 28, 2015, 07:21:03 PM

Seems like I skipped your posts. They are of terrible quality. If I do not see an improvement next month you will be denied any payment.

Quote from: marcotheminer on January 28, 2015, 07:52:47 PM

Quote from: troleybüs on January 28, 2015, 07:41:38 PM

Terrible? Really? I think they are better than yours.

You spammed 40 in 2 days. Half of them in the games and rounds section. Yes, terrible.

Quote from: troleybüs on January 28, 2015, 08:17:12 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on January 28, 2015, 08:02:21 PM

Quote from: troleybüs on January 28, 2015, 08:00:14 PM

Games and Rounds is not spam, I've been participating those games even before my signature. I don't count them as your signature campaign. Why did you count them and say like this? I didn't post 50 messages this round, I already know it. None of my messages were deleted by moderators. Ask any moderator if you want. If you don't want to count my posts I can tell you: 36
I exclude 20 messages which are in Games&Rounds or Off-Topic or Local board. Consider this again and say terrible.

Very well, then please send back 0.055 to 1DwsNFJnXFSFtXP7M2q4rVczLyTqNpz1pb. If you meet a total of 50 posts next month (17 more) you will be paid. I still think that your posts were made solely for campaign earnings (hence the sudden posting activity in 2 days). Thanks.

No problem, I can send it back. I just sent verification form. It's pending now. You should know that I'm an honest user here. I already have a positive trust from Staff. I had life difficulties last week, but I'm okay now. I'm in my home for 2 days, hanging in BitcoinTalk. 30 posts in 2 days is not an impossible achivement. Wink

Quote from: troleybüs on February 03, 2015, 03:44:40 PM

I can't see my balance. Site is broken.

http://i.imgur.com/mxpHABb.jpg[/img]

Quote from: troleybüs on February 07, 2015, 12:34:16 AM

How can I repay when my money is stuck in the site? It's already there, check it. Decrease 0.017BTC from next payment, it's an option, too.

A couple things to note:

I have never enrolled an alt under my control into the BIT-X campaign, which would essentially be ripping off the campaign's funds.

You claimed to have managed to buy back bitcoins through BIT-X recently here:

Quote from: ?? on ??

Today I can login to my account. I had to buy back my BTC with loss. I tried to withdraw but it's pending. Why don't you make instant withdrawals?

This isn't retaliation feedback (not sure why that is your subject of negative trust for me).

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Quote from: MadZ on February 26, 2015, 05:34:04 PM

First of all, I would like to make it clear that at this point I do not think that these accounts are alts of Eal.

At the same time, I think all evidence should be presented, so here is some more circumstantial evidence linking these three accounts together: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=962893.40

All 3 post 15 minutes after one another. 15 minutes after Pandacoin posts, so does https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

Although the blockchain analysis is decent proof as well, I would like to hear what these users have to say about these accusations before finalizing my judgment. I think that there are legitimate reasons for these accounts to be linked so closely, although I'm not going to post them since they could be used to fabricate a story that seems legitimate.

I think that is enough proof.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

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Quote from: troleybüs on February 26, 2015, 06:04:30 PM

You owe me some amount of BTC which I couldn't count total because you erased my name in your bot. Which is fine, I don't need your dirty money. But everybody should know, you betrayed Bit-X company and as a campaign organizer you tried to take advantage of the program with your multiple accounts.

Which of his alts are enrolled in bit-x?

Please provide proof of them to both me and PistolPete. We will use this information to warn against Marcothe~~miner~~spammer

Marco has already made one mistake administrating bit-x. Marco has now made two mistakes in his lending business. It is only a matter of time before he makes a second mistake at bit-x and his empire will fall.

The empire of Marcotheminer will be remembered as being one of the most prolific spamming empires known to bitcointalk

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Quote from: redsn0w on February 26, 2015, 02:06:06 PM

Are you serious ? is Pandacoin an alt account of Eal F. Skillz? I didn't know this thing, thanks for the heads up.

I had a little dispute with that Pandacoin guy and we traded negative feedback. Within an hour or so I was also left negative feedback by that Eal F Skillz guy. I thought at the time it was pretty odd..
Later that day Panda and myself worked it out, but it was strange.

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marcotheminer is retaliating obviously.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stolen-account-yussuf89-964525

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I didn't spam as you have to check my counted posts only. They are ok. But I understand why you didn't wanna pay me. Because you want to control your signature deal with all your alts and get most of the money. I can see that one coming, because I offered you an easy and reasonable solution but you didn't even respond to my message.

In that case, I don't owe you 0.055 BTC, you had to cut my 17 messages which you accidentally count last payment day which is totally your fault. I've already said you shouldn't count them in the first place. I'll write message history in below.
You owe me 0.057BTC for my legit posts which made in February. Everybody should know, you betrayed Bit-X company and as a campaign organizer you tried to take advantage of the program with your multiple accounts.

It's funny you mention Eal F. Skillz and Pandacoin. Tonight we watched Beşiktaş - Liverpool game together. Check our photo in instagram. Cheesy

PM History:

Quote from: marcotheminer on January 28, 2015, 07:21:03 PM

Seems like I skipped your posts. They are of terrible quality. If I do not see an improvement next month you will be denied any payment.

Quote from: marcotheminer on January 28, 2015, 07:52:47 PM

Quote from: troleybüs on January 28, 2015, 07:41:38 PM

Terrible? Really? I think they are better than yours.

You spammed 40 in 2 days. Half of them in the games and rounds section. Yes, terrible.

Quote from: troleybüs on January 28, 2015, 08:17:12 PM

Quote from: marcotheminer on January 28, 2015, 08:02:21 PM

Quote from: troleybüs on January 28, 2015, 08:00:14 PM

Games and Rounds is not spam, I've been participating those games even before my signature. I don't count them as your signature campaign. Why did you count them and say like this? I didn't post 50 messages this round, I already know it. None of my messages were deleted by moderators. Ask any moderator if you want. If you don't want to count my posts I can tell you: 36
I exclude 20 messages which are in Games&Rounds or Off-Topic or Local board. Consider this again and say terrible.

Very well, then please send back 0.055 to 1DwsNFJnXFSFtXP7M2q4rVczLyTqNpz1pb. If you meet a total of 50 posts next month (17 more) you will be paid. I still think that your posts were made solely for campaign earnings (hence the sudden posting activity in 2 days). Thanks.

No problem, I can send it back. I just sent verification form. It's pending now. You should know that I'm an honest user here. I already have a positive trust from Staff. I had life difficulties last week, but I'm okay now. I'm in my home for 2 days, hanging in BitcoinTalk. 30 posts in 2 days is not an impossible achivement. Wink

Quote from: troleybüs on February 03, 2015, 03:44:40 PM

I can't see my balance. Site is broken.

Quote from: troleybüs on February 07, 2015, 12:34:16 AM

How can I repay when my money is stuck in the site? It's already there, check it. Decrease 0.017BTC from next payment, it's an option, too.

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First of all, I would like to make it clear that at this point I do not think that these accounts are alts of Eal.

At the same time, I think all evidence should be presented, so here is some more circumstantial evidence linking these three accounts together: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=962893.40

All 3 post 15 minutes after one another. 15 minutes after Pandacoin posts, so does https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/karartma1-223006, another Turkish account that hangs out in the same threads as Pandacoin. This account has also only left feedback for eal and pandacoin.

Although the blockchain analysis is decent proof as well, I would like to hear what these users have to say about these accusations before finalizing my judgment. I think that there are legitimate reasons for these accounts to be linked so closely, although I'm not going to post them since they could be used to fabricate a story that seems legitimate.

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Quote from: redsn0w on February 26, 2015, 02:30:35 PM

Saved all the posts "incriminated" :

- https://archive.today/Gxlfm (pandacoin)
- https://archive.today/PVilB (troleybüs)
- https://archive.today/ranGd (Here he edited the post "Last edit: February 22, 2015, 02:39:44 PM by Eal F. Skillz").

I don't want to be involved, only to know the truth. Good luck guys.

Thank you redsn0w.

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#Free market

Saved all the posts "incriminated" :

- https://archive.today/Gxlfm (pandacoin)
- https://archive.today/PVilB (troleybüs)
- https://archive.today/ranGd (Here he edited the post "Last edit: February 22, 2015, 02:39:44 PM by Eal F. Skillz").

I don't want to be involved, only to know the truth. Good luck guys.

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#Free market

I think the proofs are "valid", now let us wait a reply from his account ( one of them, maybe it would be better his main moderator account "Eal F. Skillz).

Just for reference : https://archive.today/XpWah

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Stay on topic guys!

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Quote from: Quickseller on February 26, 2015, 02:05:47 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on February 26, 2015, 02:03:54 PM

Quote from: GoldBits on February 26, 2015, 01:58:45 PM

I suspect all of these are actually alts of hilariousandco (another staff member) but let me see what I can dig up

Damn, you got me Roll Eyes

. The question is, who are you an alt of?

Ha no you are not. It should be obvious who he is an alt of, elianite

Good call, Vod.

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#Free market

Are you serious ? is Pandacoin an alt account of Eal F. Skillz? I didn't know this thing, thanks for the heads up.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on February 26, 2015, 02:03:54 PM

Quote from: GoldBits on February 26, 2015, 01:58:45 PM

I suspect all of these are actually alts of hilariousandco (another staff member) but let me see what I can dig up

Damn, you got me Roll Eyes

. The question is, who are you an alt of?

Ha no you are not. It should be obvious who he is an alt of, elianite

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Quote from: Madness on February 26, 2015, 01:57:28 PM

Mind explaning how do you know that they are the same person ? Huh

Since you don't have access to the database or whatever to check their IP adresses .

~ Madness

Start with this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3438084

It gives us this address: 1Cg3K676GSRUvSFqFoXJzuDbnk43fvnQDp (the post containing this address was actually edited Feb. 22 2015..)

Leads us to the TX: https://blockchain.info/tx/30c4636aa548a7386a69ffd10d0f84fc568cd30ab5aa01f430d61fd9f8e322dd

In the TX:
1yBmKJi6tZkwy9ctH9UsrH89pPsqWTp4a leads to https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/troleybus-249250
http://i.imgur.com/jGrpyqO.png

1DdssG3Quk25CWesms4rDKqT4gjNhgfC4C leads to https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pandacoin-179482
http://i.imgur.com/OWqzkMx.png

There are other alts I could find, most also left each other positive trust.

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Quote from: GoldBits on February 26, 2015, 01:58:45 PM

I suspect all of these are actually alts of hilariousandco (another staff member) but let me see what I can dig up

Damn, you got me Roll Eyes

. The question is, who are you an alt of?

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Quote from: Quickseller on February 26, 2015, 01:57:55 PM

This is why you shouldn't reuse addresses so heavily. 1DwsNFJnXFSFtXP7M2q4rVczLyTqNpz1pb has received many payments to that address.

I want to see proof, so I will post it below.
30c4636aa548a7386a69ffd10d0f84fc568cd30ab5aa01f430d61fd9f8e322dd having inputs from both 1DdssG3Quk25CWesms4rDKqT4gjNhgfC4C which was posted here, and 1Cg3K676GSRUvSFqFoXJzuDbnk43fvnQDp which was posted/quoted here, and 1yBmKJi6tZkwy9ctH9UsrH89pPsqWTp4a which was posted here.

Additionally all three of them have given trust feedback to each other which is very concerning, especially for a moderator.

Here's quickseller's proof. I'll post mine shortly. Also there are several other accounts leaving his 'main' account feedback along the lines of "trustworthy". They all post in the same threads (777coin's giveaway and 'total time logged in'). Additionally, all seem to post in turkish boards too, where Eal F. Skillz is a mod.

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I don't think it is his fault that he was overpaid though, there is no mechanism for requesting payment, therefore the amount sent was based solely on what you thought he was owed.

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I suspect all of these are actually alts of hilariousandco (another staff member) but let me see what I can dig up

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This is why you shouldn't reuse addresses so heavily. 1DwsNFJnXFSFtXP7M2q4rVczLyTqNpz1pb has received many payments to that address.

I want to see proof, so I will post it below.
30c4636aa548a7386a69ffd10d0f84fc568cd30ab5aa01f430d61fd9f8e322dd having inputs from both 1DdssG3Quk25CWesms4rDKqT4gjNhgfC4C which was posted here, and 1Cg3K676GSRUvSFqFoXJzuDbnk43fvnQDp which was posted/quoted here, and 1yBmKJi6tZkwy9ctH9UsrH89pPsqWTp4a which was posted here.

Additionally all three of them have given trust feedback to each other which is very concerning, especially for a moderator.

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