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Quote from: bitpop on November 27, 2014, 08:15:55 AM

Quote from: litecoinbtc on November 27, 2014, 08:12:46 AM

if they really scamed then money will not be in their account anymore.
If you chargeback their act will be in negative balance but your money will not be returned.
reason, is they might have transferred funds to other act or used it.
so no reason or sense in charging back.
i believe in talking them up for return of your funds.
I am into this now and will make sure they return it else they will face the law.

Pardon me, but you could be the guy himself. You're a new account and stepping in, trying to "contact" them when they would never refund.

Just looks like the criminal coming right back to the crime scene.

Am sorry Pls. i hate when one loosese funds.
it makes me sad. i came to talk on litecoins and bitcoins here in this group then second thing i saw was this.
it bothered me so much so i decided to help the litte way I can and i can stop it if your not feeling ok with it.
i am new here yes i know but it doesnt make me to new to where i come from and doesnt make me not to be
the person i am.

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Quote from: litecoinbtc on November 27, 2014, 08:12:46 AM

if they really scamed then money will not be in their account anymore.
If you chargeback their act will be in negative balance but your money will not be returned.
reason, is they might have transferred funds to other act or used it.
so no reason or sense in charging back.
i believe in talking them up for return of your funds.
I am into this now and will make sure they return it else they will face the law.

Pardon me, but you could be the guy himself. You're a new account and stepping in, trying to "contact" them when they would never refund.

Just looks like the criminal coming right back to the crime scene.

litecoinbtc

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if they really scamed then money will not be in their account anymore.
If you chargeback their act will be in negative balance but your money will not be returned.
reason, is they might have transferred funds to other act or used it.
so no reason or sense in charging back.
i believe in talking them up for return of your funds.
I am into this now and will make sure they return it else they will face the law.

bitpop

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Quote from: Tomatocage on November 27, 2014, 02:39:56 AM

Quote from: bitpop on November 27, 2014, 01:34:37 AM

Who cares just say this guy scammed you charge back immediately

This is about your only hope. That site is a scam site run by coinbuyer, and I guarantee you that you will not be receiving any Bitcoin whatsoever. How much did you send them?

Looks like it started at $50 then went to a few thousand ..

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Very soon after I joined this forum, I had trouble with PedritoCR and another dodgy exchange site mentioned in my first post.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pedritocr-344863

I tried to chargeback but it made an absolute mess of my "status" with Paypal. However, my account is not limited anymore and I do not want to go through that again. I need to be able to rely on that account for other business, not just bitcoin. Instead, I will inflict as much pain on this person / "business" as I can by exposing them here. When I get to the most recent emails, you'll see what I mean.

litecoinbtc

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i can throw myself in to make sure you got your funds back.
but i hope you never faulted in anyway. check your pm.

Tomatocage

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brb keeping up with the Kardashians

Quote from: bitpop on November 27, 2014, 01:34:37 AM

Who cares just say this guy scammed you charge back immediately

This is about your only hope. That site is a scam site run by coinbuyer, and I guarantee you that you will not be receiving any Bitcoin whatsoever. How much did you send them?

bitpop

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Who cares just say this guy scammed you charge back immediately

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Quote from: litecoinbtc on November 26, 2014, 06:08:56 PM

not sure if this service is here in this forum but we need to know one thing from you.
1. do not paste all this. it scares readers way. no one have time to sit and read them.
2. summarise all that happened in 3-5 sentence so we can know where to help.
3. you showed the company mail and hide yours. thought you could have hidden the two mails or show your own also so if we have to join and investigate the company we know which email to tell them did business and they have not completed.
4. all payment you send them as i read above are they your funds.
5. i know online security operatives and can help you out if i get more details on this case not long stories.
so you can PM me more details. thank you.

Thanks for your comments but I don't quite understand all of them.

If I summarise, it's just my annecdotal word against this person / people / site. Instead, I want to show a full account of what has happened.

Yes, I have removed my own email address and some personal numbers. If anyone still thinks this is a legitimate business and they feel like making enquiries, the email subject, date and time etc should be enough for that.

Yes, I was trying to buy for myself.

Due to the number of payments and time that has already passed I expect Paypal would probably limit my account if I attempted to chargeback and I don't want to further compromise my already limited ability to acquire bitcoin.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:06 PM

Hello,

We have confirmed your Ukash. We take it to be 114 Usd even though it
doesnt reach but we shall approximate it to 114 usd for you.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 12:32 AM

Hello,

We are sending to you 10 bitcoins.

Please like we said in the other email.

Thanks.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 1:13 AM

I will re-read your other email. To be honest, I didn't quite understand
it. I've only paid for 5 bitcoin, if you send 10, I will pay for the 5
extra as soon as I can but that may take until the end of next week due
to slow paypal transactions.

I have a long term outlook on bitcoin, I am buying to keep them and
would like to buy more in the future. It is just a matter of getting
money into my paypal account.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 1:20 AM

Hello,

Please bear with us. Honestly we want to complete your order but we
are trying to make sure all clients gets coins even if its more than
they requested.

This is because of the rates and changes and circumstances which we
explaint to you in our long email.

We shall send you 5 btc and 5 btc again from two wallets but as we do
we confirm payments before sending out.

We gave you the remaining amount then minus the ukash 114 value.

Had it been you used neteller or western union this would have ended
long ago. But paypal is still alowed as we need to know when the last
payment will come.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 1:36 AM

Does anyone at your business operate a bitcointalk.org account? There
are a number of active, larger buyers there. It was a post on that forum
that enabled me to find your blog site. My account there is bit_stacker
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitstacker-348710

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 1:48 AM

Hello Chris,

Its a good idea. For now we dont post in any foru rather some of our
clients who have done successful business with us has really been
spreading our humble good news.

We also offer some few comission for any client who comes from someone.

We are always busy may be soon we recruit one staff to be posting on
forums for us.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 2:48 AM

Hello Chris,

your 10 bitcoins is ready to be completed depending on your payment method.

Once we confirm remaining payment your coins will be sent and remember
from two bitcoins address.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 3:04 AM

I won't have more money in my paypal account until Thursday or Friday
next week. But I think this process has already taken too long.

I find it difficult to understand why the 5 bitcoin I've already paid
for can't be sent to me.

If my order is too small for your business then the only other option is
for my payment to be refunded.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 3:18 AM

Hello Chris,

Its not that your order is too small and you know we have always given
you reasons why things are this way.

This should have been completed with two bitcoins but your mode of
payment has been delaying and we hold for some time to make sure its
ok.

We told you to call Neteller and ask them how you can send money
instant with your visa card as we always get funds from AU clients in
Neteller.

We refund but its in our refund policy. Refund takes 30 days after
verification of refund request.

We can wait for next week for you to have funds its not a problem but
which ever way we have been very helpful to you and friendly.

Bitcoins fall and drastic changes made us change our rules of
operation but this one we told you will never change at all your 10btc
is there and will be given to you once payment is completed.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 1:04 PM

Do I have the option of waiting until you're able to send me the 5
bitcoin I've already paid for?

Even at the price you've offered me, I can't afford to buy 10 bitcoin
and I don't like how the goal-posts keep getting shifted. I hope you
know what that expression means. It's very important that when 2 people
make an agreement, both people must honour their agreement.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:11 PM

Hello Chris,

We hope your good today? Are we expecting your funds tomorrow or friday?

Do you have any ukash voucher we can help you so the funds will be
reducing as e promised to help in any way we can.

The amount is 1440 usd and we have got 114 usd in ukash to exchange
value from you.

Let's hear from you soonest.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 2:38 PM

The last funds added to my paypal account should clear with in the next
36 hours.

I have a $AUD50 Ukash voucher that I don't know what to do with. I
bought it because I didn't realise there was a limitation on my Ukash
account. But I don't really care about that, I will complete this trade
with one more paypal transaction. I will email you again when my funds
are available.

litecoinbtc

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not sure if this service is here in this forum but we need to know one thing from you.
1. do not paste all this. it scares readers way. no one have time to sit and read them.
2. summarise all that happened in 3-5 sentence so we can know where to help.
3. you showed the company mail and hide yours. thought you could have hidden the two mails or show your own also so if we have to join and investigate the company we know which email to tell them did business and they have not completed.
4. all payment you send them as i read above are they your funds.
5. i know online security operatives and can help you out if i get more details on this case not long stories.
so you can PM me more details. thank you.

bitpop

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Chargeback what you can asap

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:54 AM

Hello Chris,

Oh this is why we are the best in customer service/relations to clients.

We pray they reply you today. Or we wait for the paypal. Either way
keep us posted daily with updates as you get them.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:09 PM

Ukash support wrote back saying something to the effect that I was
attempting to do too many currency conversions in a given period of time
or that there is some other limit on my account. But if I wait until 24
hours after my last failed attempt to convert currency, then I will be
able use the vouchers I paid for.

I'm glad they responded fairly quickly and explained the problem but I
think their rules are arbitrary and stupid. If I had ancipated needing
$US200 I could have bought a single $AUD300 voucher and I could have
done the converstion and split the resulting code into a $US200 and
smaller code yesterday.

So I have to wait until after 19.09 9:40am UK time to try again, about
13 hours from now.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 2:51 PM

Hello Chris,

That's good news. Honestly the last few Hrs at least 10hrs ago
something has really happened because of bitcoins downfall. We no
longer allow small payments. also regular sales of 1 btc and 2 btc not
allowed at the moment. currently total the bitcoins we brought out to
sell is 322 then we also do have buying orders which we confirm and
balance up but no one is buying so much except many hundreds of orders
to sell. today again currently in line btc needed is 80 just within
7hrs. Even if its $100 or order completion money its not allowed.

Our director made this known. It means accepting low amount will take
much time to reconcile with old amount and also damage our ecurrency
account statement. I am currently working on a memo to seek exception
for you and 1 other client on that who have completion amounts to do.

Really many 10btc orders and 20btc orders are here a lot. This is
because bitcoins rate decreased and if you check our blog you see the
new rate. We are also giving out 10 btc @ $370 currently and 20 btc at
$350 because the rate is going down and in terms of cheap btc we are
in lead.

So it doesn't mean we shall not take your ukash if it works but it
means we have to take the ukash and again work out something
spectacular which the payment will not be short by any amount.

Am trying to seek an exception whereby we take the ukash completion
and complete your order and I will issue a memo on this and I do hope
its being granted so please hold on.

If you have questions please do feel free to ask.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 5:37 PM

Hello Chris,

Sorry for the Error in our Very last email to you. We have many Buyers than people who want to sell so that's why the rush is causing huge traffic here.

Now back to your order these are things we need to do and decision taken by our management.

A. We need to know the AU time which you use to be online and have access to email so we know when to contact you in other to get swift reply not having to wait for hours.
B. Anyone who have outstanding payment will have to make an order then do a merger and send the exact and accurate payment so order can be completed at the given order time.
C. Because of the delays all fees from the payments of In-Progress Orders shall be beard by us and client will remove it from the next supposed payment.

Our Suggestion:
What we Suggest is this.
A. Buy the nearest offer we have which is 5 bitcoins. Then add it up to the payments you have sent and its only you and one client we are giving Bitcoins at $350 please let no other client hear of this not even your friends.
B. If your Current Payment method has been a barrier or having so much delays can you discuss with us to find fast payment method in other to make your order get to your wallet quick.
C. If at the end of some time and we never completed your order, you shall hereby not be requested to make any payment again but we shall refund all your sent funds including the fee with it to your preferred refund payment mode.

You paid us $900 + $1160 = $2060.
5 btc + 5 btc = 10 btc x 350 = $3,500.
$3,500 - $2060 = $1,440.

If we get this $1,440 soon in paypal we shall allow only 2 days which is normally paypal clearing rule and we send your btc which will come from two different wallets of 5 btc each to your account making it 10 btc.

If its Neteller, Western Union or Moneygram Payment this will get to you 20minutes after your payment has been confirmed.

NOTICE:
A. We are not trying to make you pay more money rather some delays in clearing and also delays from your part and the downward falling of Bitcoins has joined together to cause this. even if bitcoins falls, this cannot be changed and your order must be completed because you sent the final correct amount and where its not completed we shall have it refunded to you according to our refund Policy.

B. Please try and we know money is hard to get right now but this are circumstances which you know were beyond our control and try to see a way to add up and get your coins, invest it or resell and make your profits.

C. If you do not like this then all your payments should be refunded back to you with our refund policy when you send us an email of refund.

CONCLUSION:
If there is any line or sentence you don't understand please read it over and over again and read the whole mail because its long and we sent to you and other client. when you read it more than 3 times you will understand if not mail us back to ask your questions but the first optional number A which is about the time in AU your always online is so important and we must know it.

Lastly We attached in this email 322 bitcoins in one of our cold storage wallets which we are using for this business and this coins wont last more than 2 days before it's distributed to various wallets and sold off.

FEEDBACK:
Remember if you have any suggestion which will make our service and business grow faster or improve please let us hear it and we shall reward you for your inputs.

Lastly on your waiting ukash, if we leave you, you may try to exchange it somewhere and then fall into the hands of scammers or it will be done at a very high rate for you. I think give it to us since its in progress and we peg it aside your amount and deduct it then you pay the remaining with the choice of payments we highlighted above since the voucher has already been created by ukash.

All we do is to establish good business transaction which at last will always put smiles on the faces of our clients and we know soon you will surely be happy.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 8:02 PM

Based on the Ukash support email, I should be able to create a $US200 Ukash code for you later today at 18:40 in Brisbane. I will also try to be online for as long as I need to be to communicate with you at that time.

I appreciate that you have additional cheap bitcoin to sell but I'm already financially stretched with this 5 bitcoin order. I will be in a better financial position next month. I'm still happy to pay the original $430 / btc price for those 5 bitcoin as that is what we agreed on. I'm not concerned about the current falling price of bitcoin because I believe the price will rise again in the future.

Re: other payment methods. I also have access to prepaid visa / mastercard gift cards. Are these of any use to you? If you can't accept these cards, would you know if a gift card can be accessed via paypal? I'm just trying to think of a faster way that I can get cleared funds into my paypal account.

I'll be online for a little while longer but I have to get back to work soon.

Chris

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 9:50 PM

Hello Chris,

Thanks for your mail.
Gift cards we accept is itunes card, amazon gift card, local AU gift
cards might not work for us.

I guess you should try please because the accounts we are using to
accept funds in paypal, neteller etc and business accounts now.

We shall help you with your ukash voucherand what I will do personaly
is to help you try out any payment method you wish to use even if the
amount is not complete we shall try to hold on because its you when
its complete we complete order.

We hope to hear from you.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:00 AM

Hello,

Yes if you add your master or visa card in paypal you can use it to
send money. Also you can add it in neteller and use it to send as
well.

You can add and try to send 1 usd to someone and see it will go.

Thanks.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:37 AM

Just to let you know, I'm currently online, waiting until 9:40am UK time
to try and make ukash work.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:55 AM

I now have two ukash codes with a total of $US215.07 but the ukash site
gave me an error when I tried to combine them.

Should I keep trying to make a single $US200 voucher or can I just give
you these codes as they are?

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 1:35 AM

I don't know what else to do so I'm sending the ukash codes to you. I
suspect there are some ridiculous restrictions on my ukash account
preventing me from doing anything useful with it.

<> $US172.01
<> $US43.06

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 4:14 AM

Hello,

We had so much work thats the reason for the late reply. Do you mean
9am uk time or 9pm?

We have seen the ukash code we shall confirm in few hrs and let you know.

This is our rush hour and period so many orders coming in.

Thanks.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:50 AM

I'm sorry to hear that. I know it can be difficult when a business is
growing too fast, old business practice don't work so well anymore and
no one has time to figure out a better way.

I don't have a credit card so I have to deposit money to my paypal
account and wait for it to clear before I can use it. I am currently
waiting for my last deposit to clear which should be within the next 24
hours.

Bearing in mind that I've already paid for 2 bitcoin, I will be able to
afford either of your 4 or 5 bitcoin offers. So please just set aside
one of your available wallets for me and let me know how much more I
need to pay, plus the paypal fee.

I think I've figured out what time of day that we're both available so,
at that time, I'll let you know when I can proceed and I will aim to get
my next paypal payment to you within your timeframe, although, I would
appreciate it if you could allow me more than 50 minutes to respond.
Maybe it would help you to know that I am doing this as an individual
and that nobody else operates my paypal account.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 2:05 PM

Hello Chris,

Thank you for your mail. We are grateful to hear from you swiftly.
Bitcoins is going down again and again and the rate it will rise will
surprise everyone. So what we advice clients is if they have the funds
now let them surely invest in BTC. Are you from NSW in AU? We have had
some few clients from there and only 1 used Western Union others Used
Neteller.

We shall accept your paypal and can we know in how many hrs now your
money will clear? Also we had much work today because a client was
buying 88 coins and another from Argentina buying 94 coins. Orders of
10 btc are many also. Can you think of giving 10 a try? can you do
that if not then leave it at 5 because the 4 has been taken.

We don't really know the time in AU your available on system so our
replies and talking can be fast.

Thanks.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 4:53 PM

Sorry for the delay, I hope you're available when I send this. I just
checked my paypal balance, I have $1323.23 Australian so I hope that
will be enough for 3 more bitcoin. I'm ready for you to give me a price
and follow your procedure.

btw I'm in Brisbane, Queensland.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 2:35 PM

Hello Chris,

Also note we will agree on final amount and request for paypal email
before sending funds.
We are waiting to hear from you soon.

Humble Regards.
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 4:57 PM

Hello Chris,

Thanks for getting back to us swiftly. $1,232 AUD is how much in USD?
From our Conversion its $1,103.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 5:09 PM

That sounds about right. Paypal use their own currency exchange rates -
about $US0.88 / $AUD1

Just to be clear, my balance is $AUS1323.23 which should convert to
about $US1160

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 5:16 PM

Hello Chris,

5 x 4 = 2,000.
$2,000 - 860 = $1,140.
Paypal fees can be around $55 to $60. the other one they charged $39.99.

So i think $1,200 can do this.
What do you think?

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 5:21 PM

I think I might be a little short. If I pay you what I have ($US1160),
could you hold one of your 5 bitcoin wallets for me until I can get more
funds into my paypal account? That may take until Monday or Tuesday next
week.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 5:23 PM

Hello Chris,

Yes we can hold on but you have to pay the 1,160 so we can book down a
wallet for you while you complete it.

Is this ok by your.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 5:27 PM

Yes, I can do this.

It just occurred to me that I could also make up the difference later
today with a Ukash voucher. But I am ready to send $US1160 via paypal
now.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 5:41 PM

Hello Chris,

Please send your paypal funds here [ [email protected] ].
The account we used for you before is filled with funds.

Do not add any message while sending funds.
Give us screenshot when you have done so.

We give you 30-40mins for this.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 5:58 PM

<>

Let me know if there is any short fall I need to make up. I can get a
Ukash voucher for that.
That took a little while to complete as Paypal's currency conversion
feature confused me.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 6:15 PM

Hello Chris,

We shall calculate and let you know in couple of hours.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 7:06 PM

Hello Chris,

You know in Ukash we do 500 Usd and above. Because of you the least we
can do is 300 usd for ukash then the remaining we top up in bitcoins
for you.

Or you have any suggestion?

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 9:02 PM

I only suggested Ukash as a quicker way to pay any shortfall there might
have been in out 5 bitcoin trade. Please let me know if there is any
amount owing.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 9:10 PM

Hello Chris,

Yes but we have policy in exchange. We did it for you then because we
decided to. We have volumes of work here thats why.

Ok. You win you can get the Ukash 200 usd in uksh this si minimum we accept.

Its Paypal fee of 55.70 thats the balance.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:21 PM

I realise I'm breaking the rules here but I just got home and I'm beat,
had a tough day.

I have a little more Ukash but it's not such a high amount that you
prefer and I'll also need to convert it to US dollars for you. btw I
already tried to put it into my Neteller account but there are
restrictions re: specific merchants I can spend those Neteller funds to.
I'm really starting to dislike Ukash.

I realise you have to pay a big fee to accept Ukash from customers. If I
create a new $US100 Ukash code, will that be enough to cover the balance
I owe you?

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:40 PM

Hello,

We dont load 100 usd anymore. It spoils our account statement. Minimum
is 200 usd for ukash. The remaining money we shall add up as btc when
sending your coins.

If you have Neteller funds you can send the exact amount plus their little fee.

Neteller is so easy dont know why its a problem to you but ukash we
load minimum 200 usd value and this is because our account is
business account and loading small amounts of voucher class is against
the rules of our account.

Let us know the option you choose. Remember we are always here to help.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:49 PM

Hello Christ,

Also note that 100 usd ukash is not up to the amount you owe. But we
dont accept 100 we accept minimum 200 please do not be offended with
this.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:51 AM

I'm having trouble with Ukash. I successfully converted a $AUD200 to $US

Then I bought another voucher thinking I could convert it, combine it
with the first one and then make a $US200 code for you but I got an
error message when I tried to convert it. So I went to a different
vendor to get another voucher but it has the same problem. I've sent a
support message to ukash but it will take days for them to reply.

I want to get our transaction finalised but I'm out of options. All I
can do is wait for my next bank-to-paypal deposit to clear.

bit_stacker

full member

Activity: 141

Merit: 100

xetsr & segvec, I appreciate your feedback and I agree.

But, as you can see, this started more than two months ago and, at that time, these bastard(s) had me on the hook. Hook, line and sinker so to speak.

I was also getting PMs from a forum member (coinbuyer) re: a different rip-off (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8575709) that began even before I contacted this blog site which added to the trust I had for these people.

xetsr

legendary

Activity: 1120

Merit: 1000

Still wasting your time with this site? It's a scam. You're not gonna get any BTC. Looks like they will keep making up excuses and try to get you to send another payment. Don't do that.

bit_stacker

full member

Activity: 141

Merit: 100

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 6:35 PM

Hello,

Thats ok then. Please confirm if you have received the 45 usd Egopay?

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 7:36 PM

Yes, I receeved $44.07 egopay from you.

I'll understand if you don't actually accept paypal payments but I'll be a little disappointed. If that's the case, you should be clear about it
on your blog.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 9:49 PM

Hello,

The offer we gave you is available and sure we accept please. We just have many works to do and I will give you the email soon so just be patient.

We sent 45 usd then egopay took their fees I guess.

So are you waiting for the paypal email?

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:46 PM

Yes, please send your paypal email. If you are still offering 2 bitcoin for $860, I still accept.
Let me know the exact amount if there is a paypal transaction fee on top of that.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:07 AM

Hello,

Ok. Give us some few hrs you will have the details soon and instructions also.

Thanks.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 3:44 PM

Hello,

We are Honestly Sorry for wasting time in getting back to you and we applaud you for your patience.

We had many many hundreds of orders to handle so thats why.

Plese Send your PayPal funds here ( [email protected] ).

1. Do not add any message while sending money.
2. Send money as Service or by any means but not as goods payment.
3. After you have sent money please take screenshot of transaction and atach it and send to our email here ( [email protected] ). When sending payment screenshot please include your btc address.
4. Never make any mistakes in the btc address you send to us as all btc payments are final and any mistakes we shall never be held responsible.
5. To make sure our clients send money from their account as we dont allow third party payment your given 30 to 50mins from the time we sent this mail to send payment.

The offer we gave you still stands and you will only add paypal fee of $40.

When we get your screenshot and btc address email we shall reply you with the expected date and time you will get Btc funds.

If you have any question please do feel free to ask as we are always here for you.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 5:36 PM

Thankyou, I understand your instructions but I've already missed the 30 to 50 minute deadline. Can you reset the timer, I'm ready to do this within the next hour.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 8:41 PM

Hello,

Yes you can do it right now.
Kindly go ahead.

Thanks.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 12:35 AM

Hello,

Thanks and we shall verify this payment for some hrs then let you know when you will get your BTC.

Thanks.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 9:11 PM

Hello,

Your order completion date has been scheduled at Friday 11am Usa time.

Should you have any question please feel free to ask. While your order is in cue if you want to make another order you can go ahead.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 3:46 AM

Hello,

We hope your having a nice night sleep. There is a Minor problem. When
i gave you the due date and time for your order I never checked to
know if the BTC was available because here we are 8 staff company and
I and other person is incharge of support and I am the one incharge of
your order while we have staff incharge of Sending payments in the
accounts department.

We verify screenshot with 24hrs time duration but Just now i got memo
the offer is no more and I have waited to know if any offer of such
will land but it never came. There is nothing wrong with your payment
as your payment came in well and the hold period is progressing well.

The challenge we have is that since we started this offer there has
been so many rush and I am trying to see what best we can do for you.

The nearest offer we have is 4 btc@ $420 = $1680.
Then 5 btc@ $400 = $2000.

We have 17 different wallets where we have 5 btc's and 2 different
wallet where we have 4 btc's as we separate our coin offers in wallets
so when sending we send all in wallet to client and its also part of
security measure. We also have 10 and 20 btc's at special offers for
bulk buyers in separate wallets as well.

You may be asking how we are selling so cheap. this happens once a
year it happened last year sometimes before end of year btc reduces
before climbing up and last year it reduced to 130 usd before going up
to 1,100 usd by end of year last year.

Now some clients in brazil, thailand and Usa thinks btc will go down
and they are selling heavily so we bought many of them over 5k coins
at very cheap rate and we are giving them as offers to our esteemed
customers.

We shall like if you can think of taking the 5 BTC offer it will
benefit you very well you can resell at the current market price and
make profits or leave it in your wallet until December this year
because our graph work shows it will hit $1,000 usd by then.

Now we have many and more than 85 paypal orders in cue thats why we
never wanted you to send us paypal so cue will not be much and had it
been you added money to Neteller.com with your credit card and sent
you could have gotten your 2 coins long ago. Neteller does not have
only ukash option we can guide you on how to use it they have credit
card option.

For this 4 btc and 5btc offer we can accept payment completion for you
with paypal and still deliver on the Friday date but the best is using
Neteller, or even WU/MG for instant transaction and when we reserve
any for you this time it wont go off as the other was a mistake
because to verify your screenshot and payment was in so much cue and
we were actually confused and we are sorry for that.

If you do not like the idea we can process a refund back to you with
our refund policy but all our aim is bringing business and services
that will put smiles on the faces of our clients.

We do hope to hear from you soon so we know the next step to take and
please if you got questions please ask them we shall be glad to answer
you very well.

Thanks for your Understanding.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

bit_stacker

full member

Activity: 141

Merit: 100

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Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:15 AM

I recently bought a Ukash voucher for $100 Australian, I registered on the Ukash website and I know how to change the currency but I'm still
not sure how to send Ukash. I already have an egopay account and I use this email address to access it.

I want to use the full amount of the voucher. If the amount is enough for you to accept a transaction, please tell me what currency you prefer and tell me how to send my Ukash to you.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:18 AM (0 years 2 months ago)

Hello,

Thanks so much.
If you have ukash Usd of 100 we shall give you 65 Usd of egopay for it.

AUD ukash is hard to trade but we shall try our best to exchange the ukash for you.

We need the code then your egopay account email.

Are you still going ahead with the paypal order? We have been so busy with orders thats why we never replied you on time.
Thanks.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 8:11 PM

I changed my Australian Ukash voucher to US dollars.

Success>
Your new voucher code: ### value of : USD 87.86 use
by: 11/09/2015

Please exchange this to my egopay account: ###@###.net

Also, I still want to go ahead with a $US300 to bitcoin exchange with you. I don't mind if there's a delay, I'm more interested in evaluating
the service you offer.
Please let me know your paypal procedure.
Thanks!

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 3:22 PM

Hello,

We have successfully Validated your Ukash 87.86 USD Vouchers.
Soon $45 Of Egopay funds will be in your account.

Note that exchanging vouchers less than 100 usd is not allowed here.
We did it because you have posted the codes already Normaly we do vouchers of 500 usd and above but we did this for you because of the way you have been patient.

Can we know if you can take the offer of buying 2 btc at $860 Paypal and at $430 each? We got some Bitcoins Cheap from client bulk sales and we are selling in Bulk and giving at low rates.

Let's hear from you soon.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 7:58 PM

Thanks for that. I wasn't expecting much with Ukash to egopay so I'm happy that you could help me.

Thankyou also for your paypal offer, I accept! You already mentioned that you don't send invoices so just let me know your paypal email address and any other procedure I need to follow.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:47 PM

Hello,

We always make our clients happy with God Service.

So now before we give you paypal procedure can we know the fellowing.

1. Your paypal payment is coming from Credit Card? Or someone sent it to you?

2. Have you heard of www.neteller.com ?

Let's hear from you soon.

Thanks.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:02 AM

My paypal account balance has already had funds added to it from my bank account.

I've heard of neteller but only because I read the bitcointalk forum. To the best of my knowledge, it's not widely used in Australia but I'll look into it now.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:53 AM

Hello,

Once you add your credit card you will send Neteller Payment and we do the transaction instantly.

Paypal has many clients transaction here and it can take more than 72hrs and more than many of them.

Also have you confirmed the 45 USD Egopay Payment.

Thanks.

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Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 3:13 PM

I created a Neteller account but I would probably have to fund via Ukash as I don't have a credit card.

I don't mind having to wait a few days after sending paypal so long as I'm dealing with people I can trust. I have money ready to spend in my paypal account now.

If you still have the bitcoin offer you mentioned (2 bitcoin for $860) I'd like to go ahead with that. Otherwise, Let me know how much bitcoin you can sell me for $US500 and let me know your paypal email address.

More to follow.

bit_stacker

full member

Activity: 141

Merit: 100

It started with this thread, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/buying-bitcoins-with-paypal-and-others-775272 and checked out the blogspot site.

I followed their instructions for a paypal to bitcoin exchange:

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PayPal to Bitcoins Exchange:
Duration of Exchange: 24 - 72hrs
Remarks: You can buy Bitcoins with PayPal but Hold of some Long Hours Applies to make sure your PayPal Payments does not have any problem. We allow instant Paypal Trades for Very Old Clients.
PayPal Rate: Rate is $20 Usd additional to the current rate of Bitcoins as at the time of Order.
Paypal In Stock: $6,580.
Order Procedure: Send an email to [email protected] With the Subject '' PP to BTC ''. Include your btc address and the amount of Exchange. We shall reply within 10mins.

and sent this email:

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PP to BTC

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 9:30 PM

my bitcoin address
$US50

Please sent a paypal invoice to this email address.

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Re: PP to BTC

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 10:41 PM (0 years 2 months ago)

Hi,

Please we are deeply sorry many people are sending us paypal too much
so we raised our minimum to 300.

We hold the paypal funds for 48hrs to make sure it got no issue or
case then we send BTC.

We shall be glad to serve you in future.

Thanks.

So, I reply:

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PP to BTC

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 5:10 PM

my bitcoin address
$US300

Please send a paypal invoice to this email address.

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Re: PP to BTC

From: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 9:04 PM

Hello,

Thanks for your come back request.

Please note w dont send invoices. Clients follow our instructions in
paypal business.

Your paypal will be held for 72hrs to make sure it does not have any
issue or case after which btc will be sent to you.

Our fee is 30 USD you will get 270 USD worth of btc after 72hrs hold.

Also note we have other instant method of getting btc which is with
Moneypak, Neteller, PerfectMoney and with these the fees are less.

Kindly Let us Know with your option so we shall proceed.

Humble Regards,
MTB Inc.

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Re: PP to BTC

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 11:22 PM

ok. Please let me know your instructions for receiving a paypal payment.

To be continued.

xetsr

legendary

Activity: 1120

Merit: 1000

I would never trust anyone claiming to have that much BTC but can't afford a domain and a server / web hosting.

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Bitcoins In Stock: 74.

There are also a bunch of other red flags. Why would you deal with a website like this? Clearly a scam.

Then you have them asking for more money... that's when you know it's a scam.

bit_stacker

full member

Activity: 141

Merit: 100

Has anyone heard of or dealt with this site? www.moneypaktobitcoin.blogspot.com

I'm involved in an extremely protracted attempt to purchase bitcoin from them, they have my money, I've received nothing and I don't think I can trust them now that they're again asking for more money.

Edit 22nd December 2014
This scam site has been cycling through a number of alternate blogspot addresses. Currently one of them is http://payypalexchange.blogspot.com/

They all look fairly similar though.

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