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Quote from: Xester on January 25, 2017, 07:07:58 AM

Quote from: craked5 on January 24, 2017, 06:06:49 PM

So, Trump is president. Great or not I don't really care.

But one of his first action has been... To prevent the funding of association promoting the legalization of abortion...
Thousands of dickhead on this forum are saying that "feminazis" are a shame and that they're getting way over the top, that they should stop with their stupid protests and all...

But do you even realize that one of his first action has been to gather 7 men and to actually decide to stop promoting legalization of abortion?

Don't wonder why women are so anti-Trump, it's just because Trump is so anti-women!
Come tell me he's not sexist now ><

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/one-of-donald-trumps-first-moves-in-the-white-house-strips-women-of-abortion-rights/news-story/0b958833c3356ad3a00b785a6bfc21ef

Wow, Trump is really the best President of America. Aside from not promoting LGBT rights

Which is a good thing?

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he also make a move to stop pro-abortion law.

No law is pro abortion. Laws are pro "having the right to dispose of your body". There isn't a single law saying you should abort...

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Abortion is not pro-women but instead it is anti-women, it destroys the dignity of women and its right to give birth.

Stupid because:
1/ How can giving women the right to control their body be anti-women?
2/ Then why NOT A SINGLE WOMAN signed this law if it's so pro women?
3/ How the hell does abortion the right to give birth?? On the contrary it reinforce this right! Transforming a natural duty into a civilized right!
4/ What's the link with dignity? How controlling your own body can be seen as a lack of dignity? You want me to control what you have the right to do with your body then so you can have more dignity?

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Abortion is killing a life and it is murder.

False. See above posts, abortion is only the destruction of a pile of flesh. There is no will, no consciousness, no sense, no intelligence... Nothing. It's like saying masturbation is a genocide because it MIGHT become human one day.

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Abortion causes women to have trauma in life which cause emotional distress,

Cause having a child after being raped doesn't cause trauma? Good to know damn!

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therefore Trump is pro-women since by abolishing the pro-abortion law he is protecting and upholding the dignity of women.

See as all your previous arguments are pure shit and understand that your conclusion is the exact opposite of reality.

And maybe look at the millions of women thinking exactly the contrary of you? You mean that Trump is pro women while women don't even understand he's doing this for their good?

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Quote from: craked5 on January 24, 2017, 06:06:49 PM

Wow, Trump is really the best President of America. Aside from not promoting LGBT rights he also make a move to stop pro-abortion law. Abortion is not pro-women but instead it is anti-women, it destroys the dignity of women and its right to give birth. Abortion is killing a life and it is murder. Abortion causes women to have trauma in life which cause emotional distress, therefore Trump is pro-women since by abolishing the pro-abortion law he is protecting and upholding the dignity of women.

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Quote from: bitbunnni on January 25, 2017, 06:27:33 AM

Quote from: darkseid1199 on January 25, 2017, 05:22:10 AM

They are all just hypocrites, I will accept an abortion on the reason that its going to be fatal to the pregnant lady but having an abortion because you just want to have it is very inconsiderate and selfish and when they have it once they will continuing having it again and again. this is the same as being a murderer.

Murder is the deprivation of the formed person. Until a child has not formed, I do not consider it murder. Besides who gave you the right to invade someone else's life? When you're pregnant, then for yourself and decide!

No they're conservatives morons. That means they're for liberty, but not when it hurts their beliefs.
When it hurts their beliefs you have no right to do it!
Even if there is no argument behind!

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Quote from: darkseid1199 on January 25, 2017, 05:22:10 AM

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Quote from: bra4our on January 25, 2017, 05:05:53 AM

I am really not surprised with Trump defunding organization that promotes abortion, The whole Republican Party is against it. If the women can go on demonstration against Gun violence, i think it is highly hypocritical of them to demonstrate against Trump for defunding these organizations. These protesters are selfish individuals who just want to have their cake and eat it. If you don't want to get pregnant for Christ Sake use a condom. In todays world, there are other ways to prevent pregnancy rather than have an abortion.

Quote from: ridery99 on January 25, 2017, 05:11:25 AM

Very good decision to stop all those child sacrifices. Murdering of children is one of the worst crimes of humanity.

Quote from: darkseid1199 on January 25, 2017, 05:22:10 AM

All the people quoted are just COMPLETE MORONS for two reason:
-they compare abortion to murder. Saying an abortion is a murder is the same as saying masturbation is a genocide. A foetus has no sense, no intelligence, no will, no consciousness. It's just flesh and potential human being. Nothing more.
-They believe that contraception is efficient. It is not. Contraception like condoms are efficient for occasional sex, it can't be used for a normal healthy regular sexual life without a small risk of still getting pregnant.

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Very good decision to stop all those child sacrifices. Murdering of children is one of the worst crimes of humanity.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2017, 11:27:01 PM

I agree with most of Trump's policies, but I don't agree with this one. Abortion must be legal (with the exception of partial birth abortion). Why create orphans, if the parents are not interested in raising the child? Also, sometimes if the fetus is not aborted, it can result in health complications for the mother. Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

I completely agree with you. Before giving birth, a woman has the right to dispose of his health and destiny. Children must be born in love. If not initially, then why give birth to orphans who do not know parental love

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Quote from: NOP@SSWORD on January 25, 2017, 03:32:06 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2017, 11:27:01 PM

If you agree with abortion why not stopping there. You can also kill your infants and children and disabled relatives. If you cannot raise them properly.

I'm 100% behind Trump. I will not be posting this if my mother abort me.

You're becoming emotional here.

It's like people saying "if you allow gay marriage why not also paedophilia and zoophilia?".
That's a stupid argument because there is a very clear and obvious line between the two. Here the line will be consciousness. If you kill infants or disabled relatives you KILL. That means you put an end to a living being, that has consciousness of himself and the world.
If you get aborted (before your 8 month of pregnancy of course) you don't kill. You might FEEL that it's the same thing but it has no link whatsoever. A foetus is NOTHING, it's just a pack of flesh.

It's just a potential, it would be the EXACT SAME THING as to say that you kill millions of people when you masturbate, because you kill millions of "potential humans".

Don't get your emotions command your actions. Think before making a decision.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on January 25, 2017, 12:19:20 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2017, 11:27:01 PM

I agree with most of Trump's policies, but I don't agree with this one. Abortion must be legal (with the exception of partial birth abortion).

People should learn some responsibility. There are cheap and easy to use ways of contraception. So no, abortion should not be legal, except for extreme cases like deformation/mutation, rape, probability a mother could die giving birth.

Well that's already much better than what I see in this thread usually.
Indeed you raise good points where abortion is PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE and CANNOT BE FORBIDDEN if you have some decency.
Problem is that the act of Trump doesn't take those cases into account. He doesn't give a fuck about those cases, which are extreme but not rare at all!!! Deformation and mutation for example concern around 1% of pregnancies. Most are aborted and some decide to keep the child anyway. It's their right to decide this.

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2017, 11:27:01 PM

Why create orphans, if the parents are not interested in raising the child?

Yes, I'd like these irresponsible parents, who fuck without contraception and then get scared when the belly starts to grow, to answer this.

Problem is... No contraception is 100% efficient. It doesn't exist...
Currently even if you use contraceptive pills (which not every women can use) and condoms, you can have an accident. Of course it will be rare, but when you know that a couple has sex 100 times a year and you think of the number of couples... You understand that's not SO RARE.

If you live 20 years with the same person you'll have sex with him/her 2.000 times on average. Even if there is only 0.1% of chance of an accident (and it's much more than that, more like 1%) it means you could have 2 unwanted babies!!!

Not really "rare"...

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Quote from: drakker on January 25, 2017, 12:09:52 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2017, 11:27:01 PM

I am not from US but I will share my opinion. I am with Trump to stop legalize abortion. In the first place why is that you would make a baby then abort it if you can stop it by using contraceptives?

Problem is sometimes you don't have the choice.
There NO CURRENT CONTRACEPTION MEANS THAT ARE 100% SAFE!
It doesn't exist! Sure condoms are great but they're only 99.2% effective. You think that's a lot? Well not for a couple that has been living together for a long time. You have sex on average twice a week, it makes 110 times a year. With a 99.2% rates it means that every year you'll have a problem (condom breaks for example) and you have a chance to have a baby. Even though you used a fucking condom.

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The baby in the womb is not a trash that you simply abort it if you don't want it.
It is a human like you that has a will to live and experience the world.

Just my opinion.

No, it has nothing.
It's just a "potential".
It has no consciousness, no will, no sensations, nothing. It's just a bit of flesh! Of course if you abort after 8 months of pregnancy it's something else... But who does that? It's illegal everywhere of course! But if you abort after 2 months, the "baby" is just a bean of flesh, litteraly. No brain, no eyes... It is nothing, just a part of you you should have all the right to dispose of.

Moreover sometimes you have medical reasons to abort. Sometimes after 2 months of pregnancy you discover the foetus suffers of huge malformation, trizomie or whatever...

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In as much as I find it absurd for people who engage in what they are not ready for then ended up getting pregnant only for them to abort it because there is a law supporting such issues then it is a wrong endeavour and it is right for it to be stopped. However, we also need to not be unmindful of the fact that there are some abortions that are very important to be carried out cases like rape, child marriage, health issues are very important to be taken care of.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2017, 11:27:01 PM

If you agree with abortion why not stopping there. You can also kill your infants and children and disabled relatives. If you cannot raise them properly.

I'm 100% behind Trump. I will not be posting this if my mother abort me.

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The formal USA administration has broken most cherish morals and ethics set by the funding founders. Trump, of a true is here to deal with those women and men that think breaking God laws is not a crime. God create human beings and the only way he can succeed is through obeying God commandments and his words. Abortion is evil before God and we have to treat it as so. If trump what to fight enemies of God no professional sponsored protest media can stop him from succeeding.

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Quote from: drakker on January 25, 2017, 12:09:52 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2017, 11:27:01 PM

I am not from US but I will share my opinion. I am with Trump to stop legalize abortion. In the first place why is that you would make a baby then abort it if you can stop it by using contraceptives? The baby in the womb is not a trash that you simply abort it if you don't want it.
It is a human like you that has a will to live and experience the world.

Just my opinion.

What if that child is known to have a life crippling handicap? Or it will only live for a few days after birth? Or the mother will die because of complications?

Also, I like how people blame the parents for getting pregnant, yet do not wish to help these children themselves after birth. Every child is precious to them, but only until they are born. Placing children into horrible conditions because they are so selfish they want to impose their views on everyone else.

Not all abortions are just senseless selfish desires. But forcing people to live in your world view is.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2017, 11:27:01 PM

I agree with most of Trump's policies, but I don't agree with this one. Abortion must be legal (with the exception of partial birth abortion).

People should learn some responsibility. There are cheap and easy to use ways of contraception. So no, abortion should not be legal, except for extreme cases like deformation/mutation, rape, probability a mother could die giving birth.

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2017, 11:27:01 PM

Why create orphans, if the parents are not interested in raising the child?

Yes, I'd like these irresponsible parents, who fuck without contraception and then get scared when the belly starts to grow, to answer this.

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