Trump has been a disappointment for Putin?

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Quote from: watermark on April 17, 2017, 06:51:45 PM

Putin is hungry for power. He wants to control more territory and was hoping that Trump would not challenge anything he does. The problem for Putin is that Trump can't control everything America does because Congress won't let him.

I don't doubt that Putin is a slimeball, but it seems to me that he and Russia are at this point in history the primary force of decency in the world. Fighting the CIA, Mossad, and Saudi mercenaries, showing some care for the Russian people when it comes to NGOs, GMOs and other globalist projects, etc.

Probably it is just an accident of fate that doing the effective and resistant thing happens to be doing the right thing at this point. A reflection of the absolute 'evil' (or whatever one wants to call it) of the Western deep-state domination and the Chinese Communist Party's deals with them.

Or it's all just Putin just acting his part in the global stagecraft. Hard to tell.

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Quote from: watermark on April 17, 2017, 06:51:45 PM

Putin is hungry for power. He wants to control more territory and was hoping that Trump would not challenge anything he does. The problem for Putin is that Trump can't control everything America does because Congress won't let him.

Putin has no interest outside the ethnic Russian populated territories. On the other hand, it is NATO which is hungry for power. They are constantly expanding, and right now they are trying to enroll Ukraine and Moldova.

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Quote from: StefanReed on April 17, 2017, 12:13:36 PM

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Quote from: Immobilising on April 17, 2017, 06:58:14 AM

I agree. Of course Russia favoured Trump over Clinton, that was pretty obvious. However Russia didn't help Trump to win the elections, it was the US population that was tired of the same old politics and never being heared.

But yeah, I hink Putin now wished Clinton would have been president. At least he would know what her actions and responses would be, instead of Trump who is a lose missile that can either go left, right or straight through.

Predictability in politics is always a guarantee of stability and security. Even if the country aggressively, you always know what to do to not cross. In the case of c Trump it is impossible to predict his actions and it is bad not just for Putin.

The world government dictates the actions of Trump as it is beneficial to them, but for the rest it is unpredictable.

I don't believe in the existence of a world government. It may of course be a conspiracy among the largest financiers and Industrialists, but this is different. In fact, the logic in the actions of Trump exists. It just can be seen already after Trump anything made.

All politicians are pawns, only the one who understands that a real politician will not allow collapse of his country can see this. The economy has long ceased to exist. The richest people rule the world through politicians, so unpredictable actions can be expected from them.

Why do you think that if the world is ruled by rich people that in their actions there is no logic. If there is a logic, it is always possible to predict the further course of events. Putin also sees the logic. Just Putin can impose their own rules and that he is mad. This is a big blow to Putin's image inside Russia. In this world he has not the authority.

Putin is hungry for power. He wants to control more territory and was hoping that Trump would not challenge anything he does. The problem for Putin is that Trump can't control everything America does because Congress won't let him.

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Quote from: Immobilising on April 17, 2017, 06:58:14 AM

I agree. Of course Russia favoured Trump over Clinton, that was pretty obvious. However Russia didn't help Trump to win the elections, it was the US population that was tired of the same old politics and never being heared.

But yeah, I hink Putin now wished Clinton would have been president. At least he would know what her actions and responses would be, instead of Trump who is a lose missile that can either go left, right or straight through.

Predictability in politics is always a guarantee of stability and security. Even if the country aggressively, you always know what to do to not cross. In the case of c Trump it is impossible to predict his actions and it is bad not just for Putin.

The world government dictates the actions of Trump as it is beneficial to them, but for the rest it is unpredictable.

I don't believe in the existence of a world government. It may of course be a conspiracy among the largest financiers and Industrialists, but this is different. In fact, the logic in the actions of Trump exists. It just can be seen already after Trump anything made.

All politicians are pawns, only the one who understands that a real politician will not allow collapse of his country can see this. The economy has long ceased to exist. The richest people rule the world through politicians, so unpredictable actions can be expected from them.

Why do you think that if the world is ruled by rich people that in their actions there is no logic. If there is a logic, it is always possible to predict the further course of events. Putin also sees the logic. Just Putin can impose their own rules and that he is mad. This is a big blow to Putin's image inside Russia. In this world he has not the authority.

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I suspect that most rational and decent non-Americans developed some hope for the American people who voted for what Trump claimed to represent. Yes, we were sold a pig in a poke, but our intentions were good and if, somehow, we manage to achieve them the world will be a better and safer place.

Putin may or may not be among those who feel this way. He could be an elitist and a globalist himself. Almost certainly he has enough personal wealth to be. It's hard to tell if the guy is a rare true Nationalist and patriot, and I spend quite a bit of mental energy trying to figure that out.

I don't doubt that Putin is 'scared' of the U.S.. Only a fool would not be and whatever Putin is, he is clearly no fool. If the U.S. and China are allied through Globalism and are increasingly militaristic, the entire world is totally fucked. Especially the American people and the Chinese people.

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Quote from: Alexzap on April 16, 2017, 05:09:00 AM

The US President Donald trump was a disappointment to his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin and the entire Kremlin elite. In Moscow joyfully "drinking vodka" in honor of the victory of the American leader in the elections, but then realized his mistake – he will never be loyal to the Kremlin. The harshness and unpredictability of the US President has given Moscow a new reality. Putin understands – trump as a partner, not very stable ... he does not understand it. Remember, in that day when he won the elections in the state Duma, Zhirinovsky said a toast, they drank vodka, applauded in the Duma... what? After that, they all understand that it was a mistake that this man is not as loyal as they thought. And that's fine. I am very glad to see that Russia is beginning to understand this man is not her partner. This man suddenly tomorrow may not be a friend, but an enemy of Russia. https://youtu.be/pvvrBa6-c6A

Lol, Trump is unpredictable like a polar bear! The world is yet to understand who the real Donald Trump is, his intentions, powers and abilities!

I'm glad time will show us who is the real Donald Trump because we still don't know some of his intentions, are they good for us or not, though I like his confidence.

Let's hope and pray for Trump to do good for the world not even U.S alone because that man is already an American President! That means there's nothing anyone can do to stop him, if he want do something good or bad!

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Quote from: Winchester2211 on April 17, 2017, 09:18:22 AM

Quote from: Cherry Girl on April 17, 2017, 07:39:28 AM

Quote from: Kasper123 on April 17, 2017, 07:05:44 AM

Quote from: Immobilising on April 17, 2017, 06:58:14 AM

I agree. Of course Russia favoured Trump over Clinton, that was pretty obvious. However Russia didn't help Trump to win the elections, it was the US population that was tired of the same old politics and never being heared.

But yeah, I hink Putin now wished Clinton would have been president. At least he would know what her actions and responses would be, instead of Trump who is a lose missile that can either go left, right or straight through.

Predictability in politics is always a guarantee of stability and security. Even if the country aggressively, you always know what to do to not cross. In the case of c Trump it is impossible to predict his actions and it is bad not just for Putin.

The world government dictates the actions of Trump as it is beneficial to them, but for the rest it is unpredictable.

I don't believe in the existence of a world government. It may of course be a conspiracy among the largest financiers and Industrialists, but this is different. In fact, the logic in the actions of Trump exists. It just can be seen already after Trump anything made.

All politicians are pawns, only the one who understands that a real politician will not allow collapse of his country can see this. The economy has long ceased to exist. The richest people rule the world through politicians, so unpredictable actions can be expected from them.

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Quote from: GreenBits on April 17, 2017, 08:02:26 AM

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Quote from: Daniel91 on April 17, 2017, 05:16:46 AM

It's obvious fact that Putin and Russian leaders wanted Trump to defeat Clinton in presidential election.
Russians even helped Trump to win.
The Russians forgotten about Trump's unpredictability and the fact that he still has to primarily protect the interests of domestic lobbies, companies, interest groups etc.
After all, Trump is American president, not Russian president

With Clinton and Obama things were predictable and expected.
With Trump, you never know what can happen.
It seems that the Russians are now beginning to understand it and realized their misjudgment about Trump.

you believe in propaganda too much,are you serious about Putin or russians "helping" Trump to win the elections?
russians didn't want Clinton to become the next(last) america's president as the political course was pretty clear and it could only mean inevitable war
and not between Russia and US but between China and US
but Russia never had any leverages or intent to "help" Trump
it is like blaming the neighbour I don't like for failing my exams just because he looked at me the wrong way a day before

Propaganda? So you are saying official reports from all our intelligence and domestic law enforcement agencies involved that have clearly said they interferred, are propoganda?

There is no way we would have even mentioned a trade war with China, under Hillary. You would have seen a continuation of the last 8 years of China foreign policy, which is pretty hands off. We would never engage them militarily (even over those contested waters).

Why do you think it's taking so long to complete the FBI investigation? Wink

Heads will roll, but not Trumps. They will protect the king til the end of the game. Bit now that the supreme Court seat has been filled, his usefulness with the GOP is running out. If he keeps playing with NK and Syria, Russia will become more vocal. He is losing friends at a pretty decent clip.

have you read the said "reports" or just blindly trusting same people who have been "reporting" WMD in Iraq?
there is nothing but pure,unadultered bs inside,the most damaging evidence being ... hacker group with the word bears in it,
hell we don't know who they are but who but russians could they be?
get real,my friend,the ones who control press controll news and the feeble minds

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Quote from: Cherry Girl on April 17, 2017, 07:39:28 AM

Quote from: Kasper123 on April 17, 2017, 07:05:44 AM

Quote from: Immobilising on April 17, 2017, 06:58:14 AM

I agree. Of course Russia favoured Trump over Clinton, that was pretty obvious. However Russia didn't help Trump to win the elections, it was the US population that was tired of the same old politics and never being heared.

But yeah, I hink Putin now wished Clinton would have been president. At least he would know what her actions and responses would be, instead of Trump who is a lose missile that can either go left, right or straight through.

Predictability in politics is always a guarantee of stability and security. Even if the country aggressively, you always know what to do to not cross. In the case of c Trump it is impossible to predict his actions and it is bad not just for Putin.

The world government dictates the actions of Trump as it is beneficial to them, but for the rest it is unpredictable.

I don't believe in the existence of a world government. It may of course be a conspiracy among the largest financiers and Industrialists, but this is different. In fact, the logic in the actions of Trump exists. It just can be seen already after Trump anything made.

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Quote from: veleten on April 17, 2017, 05:50:13 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on April 17, 2017, 05:16:46 AM

It's obvious fact that Putin and Russian leaders wanted Trump to defeat Clinton in presidential election.
Russians even helped Trump to win.
The Russians forgotten about Trump's unpredictability and the fact that he still has to primarily protect the interests of domestic lobbies, companies, interest groups etc.
After all, Trump is American president, not Russian president

With Clinton and Obama things were predictable and expected.
With Trump, you never know what can happen.
It seems that the Russians are now beginning to understand it and realized their misjudgment about Trump.

you believe in propaganda too much,are you serious about Putin or russians "helping" Trump to win the elections?
russians didn't want Clinton to become the next(last) america's president as the political course was pretty clear and it could only mean inevitable war
and not between Russia and US but between China and US
but Russia never had any leverages or intent to "help" Trump
it is like blaming the neighbour I don't like for failing my exams just because he looked at me the wrong way a day before

Propaganda? So you are saying official reports from all our intelligence and domestic law enforcement agencies involved that have clearly said they interferred, are propoganda?

There is no way we would have even mentioned a trade war with China, under Hillary. You would have seen a continuation of the last 8 years of China foreign policy, which is pretty hands off. We would never engage them militarily (even over those contested waters).

Why do you think it's taking so long to complete the FBI investigation? Wink

Heads will roll, but not Trumps. They will protect the king til the end of the game. Bit now that the supreme Court seat has been filled, his usefulness with the GOP is running out. If he keeps playing with NK and Syria, Russia will become more vocal. He is losing friends at a pretty decent clip.

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Quote from: Kasper123 on April 17, 2017, 07:05:44 AM

Quote from: Immobilising on April 17, 2017, 06:58:14 AM

I agree. Of course Russia favoured Trump over Clinton, that was pretty obvious. However Russia didn't help Trump to win the elections, it was the US population that was tired of the same old politics and never being heared.

But yeah, I hink Putin now wished Clinton would have been president. At least he would know what her actions and responses would be, instead of Trump who is a lose missile that can either go left, right or straight through.

Predictability in politics is always a guarantee of stability and security. Even if the country aggressively, you always know what to do to not cross. In the case of c Trump it is impossible to predict his actions and it is bad not just for Putin.

The world government dictates the actions of Trump as it is beneficial to them, but for the rest it is unpredictable.

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Quote from: Immobilising on April 17, 2017, 06:58:14 AM

I agree. Of course Russia favoured Trump over Clinton, that was pretty obvious. However Russia didn't help Trump to win the elections, it was the US population that was tired of the same old politics and never being heared.

But yeah, I hink Putin now wished Clinton would have been president. At least he would know what her actions and responses would be, instead of Trump who is a lose missile that can either go left, right or straight through.

Predictability in politics is always a guarantee of stability and security. Even if the country aggressively, you always know what to do to not cross. In the case of c Trump it is impossible to predict his actions and it is bad not just for Putin.

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I agree. Of course Russia favoured Trump over Clinton, that was pretty obvious. However Russia didn't help Trump to win the elections, it was the US population that was tired of the same old politics and never being heared.

But yeah, I hink Putin now wished Clinton would have been president. At least he would know what her actions and responses would be, instead of Trump who is a lose missile that can either go left, right or straight through.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on April 17, 2017, 05:16:46 AM

It's obvious fact that Putin and Russian leaders wanted Trump to defeat Clinton in presidential election.
Russians even helped Trump to win.
The Russians forgotten about Trump's unpredictability and the fact that he still has to primarily protect the interests of domestic lobbies, companies, interest groups etc.
After all, Trump is American president, not Russian president

With Clinton and Obama things were predictable and expected.
With Trump, you never know what can happen.
It seems that the Russians are now beginning to understand it and realized their misjudgment about Trump.

you believe in propaganda too much,are you serious about Putin or russians "helping" Trump to win the elections?
russians didn't want Clinton to become the next(last) america's president as the political course was pretty clear and it could only mean inevitable war
and not between Russia and US but between China and US
but Russia never had any leverages or intent to "help" Trump
it is like blaming the neighbour I don't like for failing my exams just because he looked at me the wrong way a day before

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 17, 2017, 02:54:23 AM

Quote from: AT-N-T101 on April 17, 2017, 02:40:40 AM

Trump rather disappointed voters, because he can not really decide anything. Even if he has a weapon, he has no experience in political activities and he does not pose a threat to Russia. Just wants to show off before everyone.

He has carefully avoided direct confrontation with Russia, till now. But I am waiting for his actions on the DPRK. Considering that the DPRK shares a land border with Russia, Trump's actions can have long lasting consequences.

U.S. Vice President Mike Pence put North Korea on notice on Monday neither the United States nor South Korea would tolerate further missile and nuclear tests, with U.S. attacks in Syria and Afghanistan showing its resolve.
Pence and South Korean acting president Hwang Kyo-ahn, speaking a day after a failed missile test by the North and two days after a huge display of missiles in Pyongyang, also said they would strengthen anti-North Korea defenses by moving ahead with the early deployment of the THAAD missile defense system.
Pence is on the first stop of a four-nation Asia tour intended to show America's allies, and remind its adversaries, that the administration of President Donald Trump was not turning its back on the increasingly volatile region. "There was a period of strategic patience but the era of strategic patience is over." said Mike Pence.

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It's obvious fact that Putin and Russian leaders wanted Trump to defeat Clinton in presidential election.
Russians even helped Trump to win.
The Russians forgotten about Trump's unpredictability and the fact that he still has to primarily protect the interests of domestic lobbies, companies, interest groups etc.
After all, Trump is American president, not Russian president

With Clinton and Obama things were predictable and expected.
With Trump, you never know what can happen.
It seems that the Russians are now beginning to understand it and realized their misjudgment about Trump.

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Quote from: AT-N-T101 on April 17, 2017, 02:40:40 AM

Trump rather disappointed voters, because he can not really decide anything. Even if he has a weapon, he has no experience in political activities and he does not pose a threat to Russia. Just wants to show off before everyone.

He has carefully avoided direct confrontation with Russia, till now. But I am waiting for his actions on the DPRK. Considering that the DPRK shares a land border with Russia, Trump's actions can have long lasting consequences.

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Trump rather disappointed voters, because he can not really decide anything. Even if he has a weapon, he has no experience in political activities and he does not pose a threat to Russia. Just wants to show off before everyone.

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Donald Trump as an American cannot be a puppy to Putin as all Americans has superiority complex to others nations and countries. Trump winning is for a purpose to American and I think he will prefer disappointing Putin and Russian than disappointing his own people especially those that vote him to power.

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Quote from: grermezter on April 16, 2017, 07:14:20 AM

I think Trump is trying to show the US people that the allegations of him colluding with the Russians to hack the DNC servers are wrong and that he is no omes puppet.

The thing is he isn't just showing the US people that the allegations are false, he's proving them to be completely made up by the MSM in an attempt to delegitimize him as a leader of the most powerful nation in the world. The amount of things Trump has done at this point which would be detrimental to a Trump and Putin puppet relationship would be very high.

He's not his puppet and the Leftist / Liberal scum just have to get over that one fake narrative. Gosh, wasen't Clinton the one who sold Uranium to the Russians for money to her 'foundation'

He's a disappointment cause he won't take bribes like a Clinton or an Obama.

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