Trump has declared that he’ll ban Tiktok over privacy concerns!!!

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Quote from: squatz1 on November 12, 2020, 12:44:23 PM

Kinda gravedigging here but I don't really see a need to start another thread about TikTok.

Trump administration hasn't said anything regarding the TikTok ban without much time left for the ban to actually go into effect. Seems like we're going to see the ban go into effect at midnight on the 13th, which is only around 12 hours away at this point (EST- DC) The 12AM deadline is one of the original deadlines, so no one really knows where we're at with that.

At this point Trump really has no reason not to do this. He'll probably like the attention from banning this and putting pressure on the Chinese regime. Trump is thought to want to built out his own digital media empire as he has many millions of supporters who would love to be apart of it.

https://www.axios.com/tiktok-ban-deadline-60a78e47-d937-4e64-85d3-b4b3d2e02d9d.html

@squatz1 TikTok has got the dates extended thanks to the US Judge, and now the new dates are December 14th and December 28th for both sides (TikTok and Trump team) to file relevant documents. Lastly at this stage no one really knows whether TikTok will survive or no, because Biden too has expressed genuine concern about TikTok, and he’ll be having a say on this matter in January 2021 when he’s officially elected to the White House.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/11/12/keep-dancing-us-issues-stay-in-trump-tiktok-battle

https://inews.co.uk/us-election-2020/joe-biden-inauguation-day-2021-takes-office-us-president-election-result-2020-donald-trump-751617

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tiktok-ban-biden/biden-says-he-sees-tiktok-as-a-matter-of-genuine-concern-idUSKBN26938G

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Kinda gravedigging here but I don't really see a need to start another thread about TikTok.

Trump administration hasn't said anything regarding the TikTok ban without much time left for the ban to actually go into effect. Seems like we're going to see the ban go into effect at midnight on the 13th, which is only around 12 hours away at this point (EST- DC) The 12AM deadline is one of the original deadlines, so no one really knows where we're at with that.

At this point Trump really has no reason not to do this. He'll probably like the attention from banning this and putting pressure on the Chinese regime. Trump is thought to want to built out his own digital media empire as he has many millions of supporters who would love to be apart of it.

https://www.axios.com/tiktok-ban-deadline-60a78e47-d937-4e64-85d3-b4b3d2e02d9d.html

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 20, 2020, 05:10:33 AM

Tiktok and other companies wont change their terms of services anytime soon. As far as privacy is concerned, then there is no privacy anywhere. Whatever you search on the google can be tracked and traced too so why they are furious if app like tiktok also collects the private data.

Well obviously they're not going to change the way they collect data, they're currently making TONS of money off of it. The problem that US politicians are having (especially Trump) with TikTok is that they don't want a Chinese company to get a leg up in American markets. No one wants the Chinese government (and their companies, which are directly intertwined with the Chinese government) to have data on hundreds of millions of Americans which China could leverage at a certain point against the US.

Do American companies have data on Americans? Yes, totally. But those companies are beholden to the US, US oversight and their regulations.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 19, 2020, 11:54:51 PM

Quote from: akram143 on September 17, 2020, 02:43:36 PM

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)

Tencent just holds 11% of total shares but still got banned by Indian government just for the reason of Chinese based company and if Trump got successful with Tiktok then I believe he is going to apply the same strategy to every Chinese working app in USA for sure.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 20, 2020, 05:10:33 AM

Quote from: squatz1 on September 19, 2020, 11:54:51 PM

Quote from: akram143 on September 17, 2020, 02:43:36 PM

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)

Tiktok and other companies wont change their terms of services anytime soon. As far as privacy is concerned, then there is no privacy anywhere. Whatever you search on the google can be tracked and traced too so why they are furious if app like tiktok also collects the private data.

Totally agree! If you care about privacy, throw your mobile gadget away.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 19, 2020, 11:54:51 PM

Quote from: akram143 on September 17, 2020, 02:43:36 PM

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)

Tiktok and other companies wont change their terms of services anytime soon. As far as privacy is concerned, then there is no privacy anywhere. Whatever you search on the google can be tracked and traced too so why they are furious if app like tiktok also collects the private data.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 19, 2020, 11:54:51 PM

Quote from: akram143 on September 17, 2020, 02:43:36 PM

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)

@squatz1 you’re right because this deal may yet fall through because even after Trump’s approval, now Tiktok needs the approval of China to proceed ahead. Secondly when Trump passed the ordinance to have Tiktok banned he wanted an outright sale of Tiktok, but in current deal Tiktok parent company yet holds the majority share. Lastly the only plus point from this deal for Trump is that Tiktok will create a 5 billion education fund, and will further help to generate over 25k Jobs in US, but this is once again subject to the approval of China.

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Well, he appears now to be satisfied that the security arrangements proposed. But it's more complex than that. The deal also proposes a $5bn education fund - and will reportedly create 25,000 US jobs.
This is not a done deal though, the Chinese government still has to approve it - and there's no guarantee that will happen.

Read here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54221897

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Quote from: akram143 on September 17, 2020, 02:43:36 PM

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)

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^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

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Little update to what I wrote above. WSJ is reporting that Trump is NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE CURRENT DEAL as it still leaves ByteDance (TikTok owner) with majority ownership of US operations for TikTok. Tresuary department has responded to ByteDances complaints regarding the US's proposal with a counterproposal, pushing for Oracle to be the majority owner of US operations.

I get it, cause you don't want to go through all of this and then just end up with a chinese company still in control of the whole thing. Data may be stored in the US under the current ByteDance proposal, but what does it change if they have full control over the company who owns the data?

“My big concern is if all we’re doing is repackaging it and still keeping it as a predominantly Chinese government-run company, that would not set well with the original goals the president outlined,” - Mark Meadows

Source : https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-concerns-grow-over-emerging-tiktok-deal-with-oracle-11600359798?mod=hp_lead_pos1

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Quote from: Mauser on September 16, 2020, 02:07:36 AM

Quote from: squatz1 on September 15, 2020, 02:51:41 PM

Almost forgot we had a thread about this on here. Crazy the amount of news stories that we go through in the span of a month.

But Oracle is the one that was picked, Kushner has said the deal is currently being reviewed by the US. It seems like this deal isn't going to check off all of the boxes that Trump set up, because ByteDance doesn't want to give up control of the company.

Oracle (if approved) will be a trusted partner that'll (probably) host all of the US data and ensure that it isn't being given to ByteDance in anyway.

So yeah, here are some sources on that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-bytedance-tiktok-oracle-whiteho/white-houses-kushner-says-oracles-tiktok-deal-being-reviewed-idUSKBN2661WW

This is great news, finally something happening against this data storage of Chinese companies. Will this only affect American accounts or all of North America? And what about Europe? We are having the same issues over here. I wish European politicians would have a stricter approach towards Chinese companies.

I'm pretty SURE this is just the American side of the business. Other countries may join in and try for force China to do the same sort of thing, though they also face the blowback of the Chinese government attacking (regulatory attack) against their companies in. America is a bit of an outlier in regards to the amount of power they wield in geopolitics.

But yeah, I think this is JUST for US operations / data collection.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 15, 2020, 02:51:41 PM

Almost forgot we had a thread about this on here. Crazy the amount of news stories that we go through in the span of a month.

But Oracle is the one that was picked, Kushner has said the deal is currently being reviewed by the US. It seems like this deal isn't going to check off all of the boxes that Trump set up, because ByteDance doesn't want to give up control of the company.

Oracle (if approved) will be a trusted partner that'll (probably) host all of the US data and ensure that it isn't being given to ByteDance in anyway.

So yeah, here are some sources on that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-bytedance-tiktok-oracle-whiteho/white-houses-kushner-says-oracles-tiktok-deal-being-reviewed-idUSKBN2661WW

This is great news, finally something happening against this data storage of Chinese companies. Will this only affect American accounts or all of North America? And what about Europe? We are having the same issues over here. I wish European politicians would have a stricter approach towards Chinese companies.

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Quote from: NotATether on September 15, 2020, 12:44:48 PM

Timely bump.

It seems that neither Microsoft nor Oracle have been able to buy Tiktok, and we're right at the original September 15 deadline. Anyone else think that ultimately no ban will be made and Trump's threats will just fizzle away?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-tiktok-sale-china-414724

Quote from: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-tiktok-sale-china-414724

...Trump issued an executive order requiring ByteDance to cease transactions in the U.S. effective Sept. 20 because of concerns about its ties to the Chinese government. He later signed a separate executive order giving the company 90 days to sell TikTok to a U.S. company, adding that the deal would need the administration's approval.

So Trump's just going to keep extending the deadline while he's waiting for results until some other world event distracts him from it?

Almost forgot we had a thread about this on here. Crazy the amount of news stories that we go through in the span of a month.

But Oracle is the one that was picked, Kushner has said the deal is currently being reviewed by the US. It seems like this deal isn't going to check off all of the boxes that Trump set up, because ByteDance doesn't want to give up control of the company.

Oracle (if approved) will be a trusted partner that'll (probably) host all of the US data and ensure that it isn't being given to ByteDance in anyway.

So yeah, here are some sources on that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-bytedance-tiktok-oracle-whiteho/white-houses-kushner-says-oracles-tiktok-deal-being-reviewed-idUSKBN2661WW

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Timely bump.

It seems that neither Microsoft nor Oracle have been able to buy Tiktok, and we're right at the original September 15 deadline. Anyone else think that ultimately no ban will be made and Trump's threats will just fizzle away?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-tiktok-sale-china-414724

Quote from: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-tiktok-sale-china-414724

...Trump issued an executive order requiring ByteDance to cease transactions in the U.S. effective Sept. 20 because of concerns about its ties to the Chinese government. He later signed a separate executive order giving the company 90 days to sell TikTok to a U.S. company, adding that the deal would need the administration's approval.

So Trump's just going to keep extending the deadline while he's waiting for results until some other world event distracts him from it?

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Quote from: Mauser on August 14, 2020, 03:21:13 AM

Quote from: Vilagra on August 13, 2020, 01:23:12 PM

I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

At the moment it looks like the App will be transfered to a company based in USA so it can be better monitored.

Honestly baning technology seems just wrong. But we should also crack down on China for baning Whatsapp and Instagram

FYI, China never allows any other country's social media to work inside their mainland even Google is not allowed there so they never allows any of their people to give any information to the other countries.WeChat is the only chatting app allowed there and it has almost all the features of other social media and work inside the Chinese land.

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Quote from: Vilagra on August 13, 2020, 01:23:12 PM

I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

At the moment it looks like the App will be transfered to a company based in USA so it can be better monitored.

Honestly baning technology seems just wrong. But we should also crack down on China for baning Whatsapp and Instagram

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Quote from: Vilagra on August 13, 2020, 01:23:12 PM

I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

They already did, but not as a separate app.Instragram was owned by facebook as well which has the tiktok like feature called Reels and it has been laucnched on different countries when Tiktok was banned there.So people who had influence on Toktok can simply carry over their dominance on to the instagram so easily by posting the same related contents of their previous ones.

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I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

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WSJ Exclusive has some new information regarding TikTok. They're were found to have been using a banned method by Google on the android OS to obtain unique identifiers on all of their users.

Just for all the techie people, they were actually tracking users' MAC address which can't be reset or removed or anything along those lines. Even if users attempted to opt out of tracking on TikTok, it wouldn't do anything.

The WH was obviously concerned about this tracking. Makes sense to force the sale to an American company. That makes US intelligence happier. At least it keeps our tracking inside the US instead of with China..... lol

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tiktok-tracked-user-data-using-tactic-banned-by-google-11597176738?mod=hp_lead_pos2

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 01, 2020, 01:58:28 AM

Trump has declared that he’ll ban Tiktok over privacy concerns!!!

Interesting that suddenly privacy matters once again

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