Trump has declared that he’ll ban Tiktok over privacy concerns!!! - page 2.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 08, 2020, 05:25:25 AM

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It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

I don’t understand why people are so angry with Trump’s move to ban an app that’s been stealing their privacy, and further as far as I know China has blocked google, Facebook and other Americans sites, but no one seems to be complaining about China’s moves to block American sites?. Lastly no one in their right mind will vote for Libertarian party, because even people are aware that they cannot fulfil any promises that they make before the elections.

Sources:

https://ksltv.com/437951/ksl-investigates-privacy-security-concerns-with-popular-social-media-app/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/why-libertarians-dont-win-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/tiktok-wechat-china-trump-executive-order.html

China is banning these companies for political reasons, their system is quite clean about this. It's not good in my opinion, but the rules are fixed and clear. The USA have a much subtile system in which when one of their companies is losing (or if they are losing a market they consider critical), the government intervenes and helps national companies. Both situations are bad, but the US are clamming to be a free market when the government gives a clear advantage to national companies.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 08, 2020, 05:25:25 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 03:50:43 AM

Quote from: cabron on August 08, 2020, 03:36:21 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 03:24:57 AM

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

I don’t understand why people are so angry with Trump’s move to ban an app that’s been stealing their privacy, and further as far as I know China has blocked google, Facebook and other Americans sites, but no one seems to be complaining about China’s moves to block American sites?. Lastly no one in their right mind will vote for Libertarian party, because even people are aware that they cannot fulfil any promises that they make before the elections.

Sources:

https://ksltv.com/437951/ksl-investigates-privacy-security-concerns-with-popular-social-media-app/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/why-libertarians-dont-win-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/tiktok-wechat-china-trump-executive-order.html

I think one of the most fair criticism to something like this is -- why is the President the one who is able to wield this sort of power. That's not me attacking Trump or anything like that, that's me attacking the broad powers of the executive that have only continued to strengthen throughout the decades. The President shouldn't have the power to, at the stroke of the pen without Congress, ban things as he pleases without showing evidence that they are working with a foreign government.

Do I think that TikTok should be banned? Yes. Without a doubt.

I do think it's important to note what sort of precedent gets set though. You do have to think 10 years from now. Will the next few Presidents use this as a precedent to ban apps, maybe ones that are critical of them or the government? Just spitballing here.

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"As Trump Advances Ban, CIA Says No Evidence of TikTok Giving Data to China"

https://news.antiwar.com/2020/08/07/as-trump-advances-ban-cia-says-no-evidence-of-tiktok-giving-data-to-china/

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Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 03:50:43 AM

Quote from: cabron on August 08, 2020, 03:36:21 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 03:24:57 AM

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

I don’t understand why people are so angry with Trump’s move to ban an app that’s been stealing their privacy, and further as far as I know China has blocked google, Facebook and other Americans sites, but no one seems to be complaining about China’s moves to block American sites?. Lastly no one in their right mind will vote for Libertarian party, because even people are aware that they cannot fulfil any promises that they make before the elections.

Sources:

https://ksltv.com/437951/ksl-investigates-privacy-security-concerns-with-popular-social-media-app/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/why-libertarians-dont-win-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/tiktok-wechat-china-trump-executive-order.html

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Quote from: cabron on August 08, 2020, 03:36:21 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 03:24:57 AM

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

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Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 03:24:57 AM

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.

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It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on August 01, 2020, 07:47:19 AM

Banning an app just because you saw what you consider wrong and because you have the right isn't so justifiable. It's more like taking people's choice out of their hands, like they've got no free will, ate dummies and don't know any better.
It's more easier to publicize the menace that can arose from the use of the app rather than banning an app that haven't violated any laws except otherwise.

This is what I agree with. Instead of more freedom of speech/expression violations people should just get the word out about stuff such as this.

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Quote from: squatz1 on August 04, 2020, 04:23:40 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 03:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 02:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

Missed this in my reply before. But yeah, I'm totally not saying that Microsoft then ByteDance (parent company of TikTok). But in regards to US national policy, they would much rather have an American company have control of American data, rather then a Chinese company that could be beholdent to the Chinese government and COULD collect more data then usual.

Trump is now saying that he will ban TikTok if they're not bought by 'some company' by September 15th. People are speculating that the only company that could pass antitrust disputes over this particular issue is Microsoft. As the others of Facebook,Google, and Twitter are expected to not be able to pass through this same antitrust dispute.

Tiktok is demanding 50 billion dollars for giving the license to three countries from MS not sure it will be true or not but there are negotiating going on between them so microsoft is going to buy the tiktok for sure in the coming weeks.

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So far as we stay online, our privacy is compromised in a way. There could be a conspiracy on all these accusations against Tittok. Most of these social media platforms are inclined to the USA government and it could be that there are plans to sabotage all the success of the platform.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 03:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 02:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

Missed this in my reply before. But yeah, I'm totally not saying that Microsoft then ByteDance (parent company of TikTok). But in regards to US national policy, they would much rather have an American company have control of American data, rather then a Chinese company that could be beholdent to the Chinese government and COULD collect more data then usual.

Trump is now saying that he will ban TikTok if they're not bought by 'some company' by September 15th. People are speculating that the only company that could pass antitrust disputes over this particular issue is Microsoft. As the others of Facebook,Google, and Twitter are expected to not be able to pass through this same antitrust dispute.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 01, 2020, 06:24:16 AM

Tiktok should be banned as it's not secure and sells the information to China.

Here's the problem with this statement: Facebook, Twitter and most other western social media apps are also not secure (also since Tiktok is made by a chinese company, china already possesses it's data so I'm not sure what you mean when you said "sells the information to China"), but they are too essential and useful to a lot of people to be banned for poor security practices. China is also known to hack into western companies' IT infrastructure to get information and trade secrets so even if they don't sell it to China they'll just acquire it illegally. Facebook, Twitter et al wouldn't be banned on these grounds so there isn't much of a point to ban TikTok on them either. China will just find another way to market Tiktok to US users.

If this ban does happen I predict it's going to start another trade war with China just like the ban on Huawei last year.

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^we uses most of the apps for free, but those companies are making millions and billions every year so basically they sell data for advertisement purpose but I doubt they will collect sensitive data like card details, if they do then almost everyone in the world will lose their savings on bank accounts. Cheesy

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Quote from: cabron on August 03, 2020, 03:53:42 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 03:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 02:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

And Tiktok will notbe banned anymore after the sale because its not owned by MS. Right?

As if Microsoft hasn't have tons of issue regarding privacy. Tiktok had been around for years like facebook who blatantly collects data from its users, it seem pretty normal to get KYC today. Whether for tax or advertising purpose that they collect browsing habits, it had become a norm already by these companies.

Almost every app collects data and that is not the problem, in China they have a rule where every app needs to give collected data if Chinese government asks for it, no more question and that has been highlighted as a main reason now for banning Chinese apps.

Indeed. Almost every applications we download in our devices like computers and smart phones collects data for app purposes, so I think we didn't have any chance to protect our personal data or information because we mostly input our full names, contact numbers, emails, credit/debit card numbers, and other personal informations.

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Quote from: cabron on August 03, 2020, 03:53:42 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 03:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 02:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

And Tiktok will notbe banned anymore after the sale because its not owned by MS. Right?

As if Microsoft hasn't have tons of issue regarding privacy. Tiktok had been around for years like facebook who blatantly collects data from its users, it seem pretty normal to get KYC today. Whether for tax or advertising purpose that they collect browsing habits, it had become a norm already by these companies.

Almost every app collects data and that is not the problem, in China they have a rule where every app needs to give collected data if Chinese government asks for it, no more question and that has been highlighted as a main reason now for banning Chinese apps.

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Quote from: cabron on August 03, 2020, 03:53:42 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 03:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 02:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

And Tiktok will notbe banned anymore after the sale because its not owned by MS. Right?

As if Microsoft hasn't have tons of issue regarding privacy. Tiktok had been around for years like facebook who blatantly collects data from its users, it seem pretty normal to get KYC today. Whether for tax or advertising purpose that they collect browsing habits, it had become a norm already by these companies.

That would be the case, though Americans would be much happier with knowing that their data isn't leaving their own country of the US. As Microsoft servers would be hosted in America, and not sending info to China (as it is currently done by TikTok as of right now)

Privacy analysis of TikTok from someone online - https://rufposten.de/blog/2019/12/05/privacy-analysis-of-tiktoks-app-and-website/
Plain English Reddit Summary -

Quote from: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/e7apyc/privacy_analysis_of_tiktoks_app_and_website/

TikTok is sending data to both Facebook and Appsflyer, personal data and data about your device and content habits. Once it gets to Appsflyer, it could go to over 4500 affiliated companies that we don't know about.

On top of that, all this data (including fingerprints and audio, I think) is sent to TikTok headquarters in Beijing, in a non European country with less privacy laws.

While I do feel better with my data being in America, it would be very stupid of me to think that American companies have my best interest at heart when collecting my data. As we all know they're most likely just going to sell it to tons of others.

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They should have ban it a long time ago... I believe the main reason was the competition against China, not really the app because they can't ban their own. Facebook leaked 419 million users data, this one should call for a ban..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/09/05/facebook-security-snafu-exposes-419-million-user-phone-numbers/#93474121ab7f

There will be no more DOGE pump if Tiktok is gone for most of us. Cheesy

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 03:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 02:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

And Tiktok will notbe banned anymore after the sale because its not owned by MS. Right?

As if Microsoft hasn't have tons of issue regarding privacy. Tiktok had been around for years like facebook who blatantly collects data from its users, it seem pretty normal to get KYC today. Whether for tax or advertising purpose that they collect browsing habits, it had become a norm already by these companies.

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Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 02:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

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Quote from: Rikafip on August 03, 2020, 06:44:35 AM

Heh, this is the funny part. We can compile your data because we're American companies, but TikTok can't because they're from a different country -- and with that, a bad bad red country. In all honesty though, I do think that China is a plague on the world.

But Trump has now signaled that he will support the sale of TikTok to Microsoft, and the two companies have continued negotiating right now. As they had stopped negotiating when it seemed like the admin would block the sale of the company.

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

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