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I think the relevant point here, is there is nothing here to make fun of Trump about

Except that he said Americans have to flush the toilet 10-15 times a day.

Except that that is factually true, with the fraction of toilets installed that really don't work on the low flow standard.

Please consider that a guy running huge hotel chain would actually know stuff like this.

Really?

It's factually True because Trump said it or because there is some sort of statistical evidence?

All the data I can find says the number is 4-8 times a day.

Don't be ridiculous. Those rules passed by Al Gore were essentially pushing beta testing of low flow devices on the American people. A lot of junk was sold and had to be replaced, and a lot of it is still out there.

The law was simply a restriction in water flow per flush. There was NO requirement the devices had to work to a standard of quality.

I just don't think 'I heard people have to flush the toilets 10-15 times a day', or anything else he said about it is really relevant. ....

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 09, 2019, 07:25:43 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 09, 2019, 02:01:37 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 09, 2019, 08:11:54 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 09, 2019, 02:53:37 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 08, 2019, 07:17:41 PM

I think the relevant point here, is there is nothing here to make fun of Trump about

Except that he said Americans have to flush the toilet 10-15 times a day.

Except that that is factually true, with the fraction of toilets installed that really don't work on the low flow standard.

Please consider that a guy running huge hotel chain would actually know stuff like this.

Really?

It's factually True because Trump said it or because there is some sort of statistical evidence?

All the data I can find says the number is 4-8 times a day.

Don't be ridiculous. Those rules passed by Al Gore were essentially pushing beta testing of low flow devices on the American people. A lot of junk was sold and had to be replaced, and a lot of it is still out there.

The law was simply a restriction in water flow per flush. There was NO requirement the devices had to work to a standard of quality.

I just don't think 'I heard people have to flush the toilets 10-15 times a day', or anything else he said about it is really relevant.

A decision like that should be based on data and the opinions of environmental scientists. What are the pros, what are the cons. These aren't the kind of things you can just figure out on your own. I did a little research and this doesn't really seem to have been an issue until recently. A lot of contractor and plumbing blogs praising the latest version. Definitely didn't see any trend of outrage over having to flush the toilet a lot, as long as I filtered out the past few days.

Quote from: Spendulus on December 08, 2019, 03:50:47 PM

It's typical of progressive liberalism they want to get their ideas into your life. They want to control the individual, every aspect of his life.

Quote from: Spendulus on December 08, 2019, 07:17:41 PM

I think the relevant point here, is there is nothing here to make fun of Trump about, rather you could make fun of the ridiculous crap devices forced on the American public by Al Gore, and the legislation that he pushed.

The low flow toilet regulations are from The Energy Policy Act of 1992.
Bush was president, and it had bipartisan support in both house and Senate.
Passed the House on May 27, 1992 (381-37)
Passed the Senate on July 30, 1992 (93-3 )

I think 'being green' didn't used to be nearly as partisan as it is today.

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Quote from: squatz1 on December 09, 2019, 08:49:35 PM

Yeah I don't even think Trump is upset when people call him names like this, the guy is literally the king of nicknames and making them stick. I think most people who were involved/keeping track of politics during the 2016 Republican primary will NEVER forget Lyin Ted, Little Macro, and Crooked Hillary.

Top tier nicknames. Some would even say marketing genius.

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He is surely a master of destroying anyone who crosses him, best live because his impromptu performance is a large part of this strength..

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Quote from: audaciousbeing on December 09, 2019, 04:44:26 AM

I don't understand the name calling of the president by people at all.

Snip of trumps hilarious nicknames

Yeah I don't even think Trump is upset when people call him names like this, the guy is literally the king of nicknames and making them stick. I think most people who were involved/keeping track of politics during the 2016 Republican primary will NEVER forget Lyin Ted, Little Macro, and Crooked Hillary.

Top tier nicknames. Some would even say marketing genius.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 09, 2019, 02:01:37 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 09, 2019, 08:11:54 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 09, 2019, 02:53:37 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 08, 2019, 07:17:41 PM

I think the relevant point here, is there is nothing here to make fun of Trump about

Except that he said Americans have to flush the toilet 10-15 times a day.

Except that that is factually true, with the fraction of toilets installed that really don't work on the low flow standard.

Please consider that a guy running huge hotel chain would actually know stuff like this.

Really?

It's factually True because Trump said it or because there is some sort of statistical evidence?

All the data I can find says the number is 4-8 times a day.

This article cited 5 different sources, and there are lots of others.

Don't be ridiculous. Those rules passed by Al Gore were essentially pushing beta testing of low flow devices on the American people. A lot of junk was sold and had to be replaced, and a lot of it is still out there.

The law was simply a restriction in water flow per flush. There was NO requirement the devices had to work to a standard of quality.

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 09, 2019, 08:11:54 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 09, 2019, 02:53:37 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on December 08, 2019, 07:17:41 PM

I think the relevant point here, is there is nothing here to make fun of Trump about

Except that he said Americans have to flush the toilet 10-15 times a day.

Except that that is factually true, with the fraction of toilets installed that really don't work on the low flow standard.

Please consider that a guy running huge hotel chain would actually know stuff like this.

Really?

It's factually True because Trump said it or because there is some sort of statistical evidence?

All the data I can find says the number is 4-8 times a day.

This article cited 5 different sources, and there are lots of others.

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 08, 2019, 07:17:41 PM

I think the relevant point here, is there is nothing here to make fun of Trump about

Except that he said Americans have to flush the toilet 10-15 times a day.

Except that that is factually true, with the fraction of toilets installed that really don't work on the low flow standard.

Please consider that a guy running huge hotel chain would actually know stuff like this.

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I don't know how many of those low-flow toilets are actually efficient but I think he's highlighting the ridiculous levels of reach the previous government had using the environment as an excuse. Maybe they can put them all to the test again and phase out the models that are wasteful.

Quote from: Jet Cash on December 08, 2019, 12:04:24 PM

If he really wants to be environmentally friendly, he could go in the garden/

Didn't dry toilets became a fad for some time among the eco nuts? I can't see Trump using any of these though.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 09, 2019, 02:53:37 AM

Except that he said Americans have to flush the toilet 10-15 times a day.

Damn that shade made me run straight to the toilet.

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Quote from: audaciousbeing on December 09, 2019, 04:44:26 AM

I don't understand the name calling of the president by people at all.

Eh....he kind of deserves it.

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I don't understand the name calling of the president by people at all. He made a comment and I believe that it can be countered without resorting to insults and name calling without even attacking the comment itself. Yes there might be some exaggeration on the part of the President but that does not mean there is no sense in what he said and even sometimes, when president make comments, people tend to attach unnecessary importance to it with the simple aim of ridicule. It might even come as a surprise that he might be joking about what people face with the toilet that seems to reduce the use of water which people use. A company like Unilever have reduce the material content of their detergent in other to ensure that less water is needed in other to rinse in a bid to find a way to keep more water in the world.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on December 08, 2019, 02:57:30 PM

Why would the goverment need to regulate toilets?

Create/maintain more tax leaching gov't jobs..

Imagine a whole department dedicated to regulating your toilet standards..
$1,000,000 a year for some paper pushers to say your toilet can't flush more than 1.7 GPF or it can't be sold at major retailers..

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 08, 2019, 07:17:41 PM

I think the relevant point here, is there is nothing here to make fun of Trump about

Except that he said Americans have to flush the toilet 10-15 times a day.

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Quote from: squatz1 on December 08, 2019, 06:45:55 PM

Yeah this is about low flush toilets. Just to start off, here's the definition from Wikipedia on what a low flush toilet is and does.....

I think the relevant point here, is there is nothing here to make fun of Trump about, rather you could make fun of the ridiculous crap devices forced on the American public by Al Gore, and the legislation that he pushed.

At the same time, not all the commodes were poor quality. Or over time, they have improved a great deal.

Just take a look at this? 1.28 gallons per flush and it will down 20 golf balls...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD0x34e-V9U

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Yeah this is about low flush toilets. Just to start off, here's the definition from Wikipedia on what a low flush toilet is and does.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-flush_toilet

A low-flush toilet (or low-flow toilet or high-efficiency toilet) is a flush toilet that uses significantly less water than a full-flush toilet. Low-flush toilets use 4.8 litres (1.3 US gal; 1.1 imp gal) or less per flush, as opposed to 6 litres (1.6 US gal; 1.3 imp gal) or more. They came into use in the United States in the 1990s, in response to water conservation concerns.[1] Low-flush toilets include single-flush models and dual-flush toilets, which typically use 1.6 USgpf for the full flush and 1.28 US for a reduced flush.

Though if you are to go to the wikipedia page regarding low flush toilets you'd find this being a problem

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-flush_toilet#Problems

The early low-flush toilets in the U.S. often had a poor design that required more than one flush to rid the bowl of solid waste, resulting in more water used than a single flush of a standard toilet. In response, U.S. Congressman Joe Knollenberg from Michigan tried to get Congress to repeal the law[clarification needed] but was unsuccessful.

In 2011, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that, while low-flush toilets are estimated to have saved the city of San Francisco 20 million gallons of water per year, the reduction in water volume caused waste sludge to back up in the city sewer pipes, designed expecting a higher ratio of water to solids. The city was attempting to solve this by adding chlorine bleach to the pipes, a proposal that raised environmental objections.[3] In house drain system design, smaller-diameter drain pipes are being used to improve flow by forcing waste to run higher in the pipe and therefore have less tendency to settle along the pipe.

May be some truth to this statement. Though I do want to see what the EPA says regarding this whole thing.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on December 08, 2019, 11:52:52 AM

Why would there be regulations on toilets?
He's using it as an excuse to deregulate and free the market.
Love it.

IIRC regulations on toilets and water heaters were the work of Al Gore when he was VP to Clinton.

The results of those regulations are mixed. A fair number of the new "low Flo" toilets did not work properly.

Some are worthless, other designs seem excellent.

Why would the goverment need to regulate toilets?

It's typical of progressive liberalism they want to get their ideas into your life. They want to control the individual, every aspect of his life.

As for toilets, the scheme was if government forced reduction in water use from six gallons per flush to one, that would be a big savings in water used and hence governments would not have to build new water treatment plants. Same for low flow showers an faucets. Government mandated.

I would prefer these regulations be eliminated.

(Oops) Trump has done it again and this time I can’t stop laughing Grin, because of his declaration of war against water saving toilets. This bizzare declaration of war came during a meeting with the business leaders where Trump claims people need to flush up to 15 times to clean their toilets

Trump is 100% correct.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 08, 2019, 04:10:58 AM

(Oops) Trump has done it again and this time I can’t stop laughing Grin

, because of his declaration of war against water saving toilets. This bizzare declaration of war came during a meeting with the business leaders where Trump claims people need to flush up to 15 times to clean their toilets, which is not true unless there are different toilets in the White House.

Normally I would have expected him to declare war on Iran, but this was an completely unexpected declaration of war and the Internet has rightfully turned it into a meme fest.

As I have travelled to US multiple times I have never experienced any such issues with their toilets, but if anyone who lives there or has any such experience do share it here because it’ll be interesting to see if Trump actually has a legit claim about the flushes.

Source:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a30157122/trump-toilets-flush-water-deregulation/

the fat big americans that eat a lot might indeed shit much more than the average human, for those those 10 gallon flush toilets might do much more sense, than the water efficient products from europe and east asia.

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 08, 2019, 12:40:19 PM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on December 08, 2019, 11:52:52 AM

Why would there be regulations on toilets?
He's using it as an excuse to deregulate and free the market.
Love it.

IIRC regulations on toilets and water heaters were the work of Al Gore when he was VP to Clinton.

The results of those regulations are mixed. A fair number of the new "low Flo" toilets did not work properly.

Some are worthless, other designs seem excellent.

Why would the goverment need to regulate toilets?

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on December 08, 2019, 11:52:52 AM

Why would there be regulations on toilets?
He's using it as an excuse to deregulate and free the market.
Love it.

IIRC regulations on toilets and water heaters were the work of Al Gore when he was VP to Clinton.

The results of those regulations are mixed. A fair number of the new "low Flo" toilets did not work properly.

Some are worthless, other designs seem excellent.

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Yep - if he needs to flush 15 times,he needs to change his diet or his plumber.

If he really wants to be environmentally friendly, he could go in the garden/

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