Topic: Trump or Clinton: Does it matter? - page 2. (Read 1929 times)

There are two groups of Ukrainian Americans. The first group consists of the immigrants and their descendants, who arrived in the US prior to 1950. The second group consists of of the immigrants and their descendants, who arrived in the United States after the breakup of the USSR. The first group is more "Americanized" than the second group, and their foreign policy is in somewhat sync with those of the US government. Trump is having issues with the first group. 

I've known a number of Unkrainians over the years who worked in the tech sector in CA.  Most (and maybe all) were Russian speaking.

I will say that even these Russian speaking ones seemed to have no love lost for Russia.  But this was some years ago and I've lost contact with all of them since the overthrow of the pro-Russian leader which seems (and correct me if I'm wrong) to be an no small part the handiwork of the Soros affiliated groups, and the subsequent damage which seems to have fallen disproportionately on the Russian speaking community.

It seems to me that a fair number of 'Ukrainians' here might have had their hatred of Russia dulled somewhat by events that transpired since they hauled ass out of the place when compared to the alternatives.

Beyond that, it seems to me and I think others that Trump's 'closeness' with Russia is largely due to wishing to avoid a nuclear WW-III.  As Assange points out, Trump (unlike the Clintons) did poorly in business dealings with Russia which casts doubt on how 'tight' his relationship with the leadership machinery actually is.  Some segment of the Ukrainian diaspora here must see things similarly.

Since I no longer have Ukrainian contacts who are close enough to reach out to (this being not the most critical area of research in my life), I would be interested in your take on my hypothesis here.

Apart from this, there are a variety of factors which are currently working on her favor. Some of them are:

1. The Ukrainian-American community, which has traditionally voted Republican till now, has turned against Trump due to his closeness to Russia.
2. RINOs are encouraging grassroot Republicans to vote for Hitlery.
3. Feminists are against Trump and there is a huge gender gap in the opinion polls.
4. Demographics are working against Trump. There will be more African American and Hispanic voters, compared to the 2012 elections.
5. Mormons are not going to vote for Trump.

I do not doubt it


For these reasons, I believe that Hitlery will be the next president of America. unfortunately


this is the trump error, it is very sincere, he says what he thinks.

Attempted invasions of Iran and North Korea would be like the tip of an iceberg. I believe that her main targets are Russia and China. Let's see how far she gets with her plans. Even a war with Iran could potentially bankrupt the United States and the NATO. Regarding the ISIS, I believe that Trump is more effective, simply because Hitlery was one of the masterminds behind its creation.

LoL you are such a joke... Reader of haretz?

*Why is she more qualified? What has she done apart establishing one of the most successful criminal franchise in the world? You know trump buildings didn't spring of the earth like Moses water...

*How do you know her policy? What she will be able to do? You know that all she did is known in the pentagon... All of it. On the other side trump seems more receptive to information and able to process it in an efficient way. At least he roots for America.

*lol about your comment and dictator... Hillary's fundation has accepted money from who ever was willing or for whom it was necessary to pay. She is the absolute whoretrash. Furthermore she is proud to have freed a child rapist she knew was guilty. O remorse about it.

* so walls are good for isreal, but not America? It's forbidden for the American people to know who enter and who leaves America? It should be wide open with no border control? You know the one law for Jews and one for the others has 0 success to be reality in the world... I introduce Russia, China and the American patriots... Time to comeback to reality zealot.

* trump is much more business than actor... Your pumped bimbo is the real joke, worldwide. Only an ennemy of America could root for hrc. Look at what she did to Bernie the foollakesidehome?

*ahh I see a world United... No thanks. The UNITED STATES of AMERICA share a common federal constitution and bill of rights that give the maximum amount of freedom worldwide. Happily business men like trump were able to flourish there (Apple has more cash than the entire Russian military budget ) and was able to afford $ domination and the widest military force ever recorded in human history. Expressly and by design to defend the UNITED STATES of AMERICA against all foreign and domestic ennemies in a preemptive forward basis. Liberty and freedom in actions. Trump by managing his companies has proved that he can be an effective leader of the country, he can stand his ground.

So frankly you have a mental problem or what to not see the greatest United States of America ever! You know it's not because the USA get better that you (or isreal) get weaker. You have a very skewed perception of reality or are a domestic enemy. Typical of Haretz reader and pusher. You know the global socialist international was a program of the Soviet Union to weaken and defeat the capitalist world... And like alqeeda it took a life of his own (only diff is that the ideology of supremacist Islam is way way more older, while global international socialism is very recent in comparison).



There is a high chance that trump is different! Would be great to give him a chance... The old mamy almost to sick to care for her grandkids should really stop her act. Enough with the Clinton, what ever her foreign backers think.

They better be aware the us forces will not surrender the USA so easily... It could even be a trap .

The concept that 'it doesn't matter' is, I believe, a fairly well thought out and coordinated program of 'demoralization.'

That said, it really hasn't mattered very much for about 50 years.  Although the head of the executive does have enormous power, and especially so since the Cheney administration, we've been given a 'choice' between two of the same thing by the oligarchy.  Basically we've had the choice between who the oligarchy actually wants, and an alternative choke artist which they would be happy to have if we 'voted wrong.'  Normally we don't 'vote wrong' and when we do by some small margin (e.g., Cheney v. Gore) it has been easy to make a real-time 'correction'.

[Not that the oligarchy is exactly monolithic.  Some surely would have preferred Gore and an effort to solidify global govt at that time, but it probably would have proven premature.  Not enough foundation yet constructed.  Cheney's 'new american century' was a better plan.  It utilized the U.S.'s strong global position to strengthen and consolidate resources into the hands of the dominant set of oligarchs prior to 'the event.']

I continue to hold that there is a decent possibility that 'Trump is different' and this election is unique in modern times.  Unfortunately there is no way to really know until after the fact.

I also continue to hold that there is no way that the oligarchy will let Trump in if he is for real.  The loss of investment (of various types) would be impalpable to them and they are not used to losing.  The core of the oligarchy will do whatever it takes to make sure that doesn't happen.  If somehow Trump (or someone like him) take over he'll have to deal with a scorched earth.  Potentially literally.

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As for Clinton, it is clear to me that she has nothing but disdain for 'the people' generally.  Imagine what must go on in her brain-damaged mind when Trump holds a rally and gets 10,000 people in a stadium while she has one the same day and gets 300 in a high school gym.  But-hurt wouldn't begin to describe what she must feel.  The woman is so awful and vindictive that I plan to batten down the hatches if she is successfully installed and will be ready to get the hell out of Dodge.  It won't be pretty.

If Clinton is elected, I fear that she will start a war with Iran. What's sure is that Trump would be a lot more effective in dealing with ISIS than Clinton.

It's a comparison of policies. A wide majority of their policies are identical. You can't really point out major differences in their policy. So you are the one who is wrong, dead wrong.

Sure, you can point out commonalities.  Or you can point out differences.

One does not negate the other.

The fact that you even say that means you did not read my entire post. Hillary Clinton has already done all that and will do much worse once she is President. Trump only talks about it, Clinton has walked his talk. Hillary has a greater influence on the media and manipulates the crap out of her voters, she is more corrupt and richer than Trump.

Yes, it matter.
Hillary Clinton is much more qualified for this position, she will not lead aggressive and dangerous foreign policy, accept dictators, create walls between Mexico and USA etc.
Trump is much more actor than politician.
He acting all the time and manipulate media and voters a lot.
He don't have quality of good leader and will divide country and the world, in the case he win election.

I have already made my prediction for 2016, Hillary Clinton is going to be the next President. It's unfortunate, but it is going to happen, because the mainstream media has a very pro-Clinton agenda.

In the United States, there is a two-party system in place. It is nearly impossible for a third party candidate to get more than 20% of the vote in the POTUS elections. Even Ross Perot could gather just 18.9% of the vote in 1992. And whenever there is a strong third party candidate, things get easier for the Democratic candidate. That happened in 1992, and the same will happen in 2016 as well.

Did you just ignore everything I had written in my original post? The same bad foreign policies will continue to be expanded under the new President, as they have been expanding consistently. Also:

* Both parties authorize prohibition and scheduling of substances

* Both parties have signed bills authorizing the surveillance, indefinite detention, and suspension of the due process of American citizens on US Soil. The Patriot Act and the NDAA received support from both parties

* Both parties have authorized drone bombs in the Middle East, which only seek to further radicalize the area. Both parties support interventionism.

* Both parties have signed bills authorizing use of drones as patrolling devices in the American airspace (See The FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012)

* Both parties support the federal reserve scam. Both parties have played a role in its foundation.

* Both parties believe the government should regulate marriage between two consenting adults.

* Both parties had spent over a billion dollars in their 2012 Presidential campaigns.

* Both parties support US intervention in Israel's illegal occupations of Palestine.

* Both parties are backed by the same corporations and special interest groups.

I'm going to stop here, because I know that if I add more, you guys will stop reading the post. I hope my point has been clear now though.

I think important for those American citizens because if they are wrong give a vote in the election will have an impact on economic development, etc.

If voting mattered they would make it illegal.

when a president of a country make some racist clue, its a hell for the minority.
i hope all the president in the world doesn't have it.

It does feel like a joke to the outside world to see the political situation of America. The corporate world was always looming behind the political decisions ,those were the secrets of the past .The corporate world is ready to take over America in politics  America does make people dream about their wildest aisperations  I dont care who comes into power as it wont affect me in the least bit 

That's the point. He wouldn't be Trump if he stopped being self-destructive. Same with Clinton being Clinton. Same with the American people, to vote for either of them.