Topic: Trump wants to end birthright citizenship - page 4. (Read 1187 times)

Nope.  Look up the Immigration Act for legal definitions.

You should familiarize yourself with the immigration process.  Moving to another country without going through the immigration process does not make you an immigrant.  You are a visitor, a tourist, a refugee or an outlaw.

Easy just like the rest of the world...the nationality of your parents. That's how it works here in Europe...eeeexcept for France and they are happy about it Check those places called 'banlieues'.

I believe you are absolutely right. He knows well the way to follow for holding the position. And in comeing days, he may take some hard actions against the group of people who didn't support him and non native american. He may impose several laws for our country but i believe he will think deeply from 360^o angel. He should think more that there are also legal imigrrants who are contributing a lot in the US economy.

However, Mr. Trumph is efficient in planing the ♠ Trump card ♠ on time.

Its almost like the country was designed for people to come here from other places and become citizens.  

If you could get rid of birthright citizenship (you can't, but lets assume you could), then how do you determine who is a citizen and who is not?  

So what should happen to a baby born in the US to an American citizen father and a non American citizen mother?

"Immigrant" does not mean legal or illegal. It's a person who moves to another country.

Huh?

Immigrants are legal residents.  People who visit the country legally or illegally are aliens.

Residency implies a legal status.  

I am not even sure why these anchor babies are given the citizenships, the 14th amendment does not apply to them, they do not reside in the US. I guess American lawyers cannot read.

Hm.


The meaning was not as it is being interpreted as of right now. This is being abused for the 'anchor babies' as Jeb Bush once said!

LOL, yeah, don't forget THE CARAVAN. Everybody in it is pregnant with twins.

That's not how it works. They come across in south Texas late in their term, head to a public hospital and pop out a baby. Bingo, he's a citizen.

No papers, no money paid, nada.

Ms Prego will be admitted if the paperwork is in order. The CBP agent may ask if she has money to pay for medical expenses.

Kek, like a prego woman's gonna get entry to the states.

"merry" = joy, you're looking for marry.

And even with an anchor child or marriage, it takes years to become a citizen.

Anyone born on this soil is an American, regardless of who their parents are.

You're confused. A child can't give parents "a better chance to receive a permanent VISA" until he/she is 18 (or is it 21?). Marriage doesn't give you instant citizenship either.

That's interesting.

Imagine it this way. I am a [insert nationality] and I go on holiday to US with my pregnant wife. My wife gives birth and the child receives US citizenship. We, [insert nationality] have a better chance to receive a permanent VISA since our child has the nationality.

Let me explain you further: If you [insert nationality] were to go to US and merry a US woman, you would nearly instantly be able to apply for citizenship.

His rhetoric is disgraceful. America wasn't created for these reasons. I think all main stream media needs to air this.

Public Service Announcement to ALL Americans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGAqYNFQdZ4

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How long until my family is targeted? It's a serious question; anyone here born in the United States being deported? Fuck that noise. The president doesn't have that right, fuck off with that bullshit.

I can renounce MY American citizen, fuck if anyone has the ability to do it for me.

This is not about admitting someone into the country - this is about people who are already in the country and their offspring.

Nor can the president override the constitution.

The President has direct executive authority over concerns of immigration. It is pretty clearly defined.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

The amendment doesn't say anything about "legal residency status" so... no?

BTW immigrants are not all either illegals or citizens. There is a substantial part of the population that are perfectly legal, not citizens, and would get fucked tremendously bigly if this gets to pass.

Hopefully this is just a dog whistle (sorry dogtana) for immigration hardliners and it's unlikely to survive any serious legal challenge. Trump will probably forget about it after the election.

The problem lies in the definition of the United States. Generally in legal circles, United States means the 10 square miles of D.C., and the forts and other lands that have been ceded to the U.S. Government, as the Constitution says. The 50 States might have U.S. Gov lands in them, like national forest and wilderness lands, but these have never been ceded to U.S. Gov. So, they are not really part of the United States.

What this means is that people who have been born somewhere in the 50 States, but were never born on Federal Gov ceded land, are not, and never have been, United States citizens by birthright. All that Trump is doing is bringing this out into the open.

Why is Trump bringing this out into the open? To free us from the authority of Fed Gov. As citizens of one of the 50 States, we have all the rights of Fed Citizens. But we have lost freedoms because of the 14th Amendment that is essentially making us slaves of Fed Gov. If we aren't citizens of Fed Gov, we still have the rights, but without 14th Amendment requirements to obey Fed Gov laws while we are within one of the 50 States.

This is a benefit to us. It lets local people rule themselves, rather than being ruled by the Federal Government.

Why do non-U.S. people who were born in one of the 50 States have the rights of Fed Gov? Because all 50 States in their Constitutions state that they also follow all the tenets of the U.S. Constitution.

Just wow!

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We do ask politely that you leave the military hardware at the door before coming in please and thank you!