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legendary
Activity: 3318
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December 28, 2019, 06:44:33 PM
#32
Ok, you've deflected this thread away from your trust abuse.

2020 will bring you a lot more red I think, no matter how upset you get. 

Smiley

I know you would love it if it were, but this thread isn't about me.
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
December 28, 2019, 06:29:55 PM
#31
Ok, you've deflected this thread away from your trust abuse.

2020 will bring you a lot more red I think, no matter how upset you get. 

Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3318
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December 28, 2019, 04:14:02 PM
#30
Cool story bro. Don't you have some calls to the IRS and SEC to make? What happened to BPIP Vod, does baby need his baba? The forum not "neutral" enough for you? Funny how that happens when you act like a deranged lunatic trying to sick government agencies on its more trusted members because your butt hurts.

And again - still - always - you post nothing but deflection.

You don't belong anywhere near DT.

Deflecting from what exactly? Your very on topic posts? Get medicated nutbar.
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
December 28, 2019, 04:04:53 PM
#29
Cool story bro. Don't you have some calls to the IRS and SEC to make? What happened to BPIP Vod, does baby need his baba? The forum not "neutral" enough for you? Funny how that happens when you act like a deranged lunatic trying to sick government agencies on its more trusted members because your butt hurts.

And again - still - always - you post nothing but deflection.

You don't belong anywhere near DT.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
December 28, 2019, 09:53:55 AM
#28
I was going to remove him to help you out

You are on DT1 to be a puppet?   What did he help you out with?  Some ponzi shares?  Or just some reciprocal exclusion? 

You don't belong anywhere near DT.

Cool story bro. Don't you have some calls to the IRS and SEC to make? What happened to BPIP Vod, does baby need his baba? The forum not "neutral" enough for you? Funny how that happens when you act like a deranged lunatic trying to sick government agencies on its more trusted members because your butt hurts.
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
December 28, 2019, 03:58:30 AM
#27
I was going to remove him to help you out

You are on DT1 to be a puppet?   What did he help you out with?  Some ponzi shares?  Or just some reciprocal exclusion? 

You don't belong anywhere near DT.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
December 27, 2019, 09:30:21 PM
#26
Right right  Roll Eyes

So are you going to bother telling me what you think I did to you?

EDIT: FYI, because you are obviously retarded, I thought I should spell it out for you. I didn't add ABitNut back to my trust list, he never left it. I was not on default trust, now I am. I was going to remove him to help you out, but then you left me frivolous negative ratings and started talking mad shit.

Trust me I haven't thought about you for a second until we last spoke a few months ago, and the 3 seconds it would have taken to add ABitNut back on to my trust list just to spite you would be a wasted 3 seconds. Please do cry some more about this situation entirely of your own creation though, the threats of more negative ratings from your nobody alts are a nice touch too. All very entertaining.
sr. member
Activity: 535
Merit: 267
December 27, 2019, 09:29:02 PM
#25
Say what you want, i have a new account since few month and you'll get another -1 later with my others accounts,  because i still not happy about what you did to me and you did not repair it Wink

You can put a feedback to say that i have an alt account named "Virtualis Games" which is the name of my project, it's ok, you are very immature  Cheesy

What exactly did I do to you? Didn't you just get done chastising me for a negative rating I didn't even give you? I don't owe you shit little boy. I offered you help and you spit in my face. Now you can deal with the results of me doing nothing for you. Cry me a river.

Right right  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
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December 27, 2019, 09:26:53 PM
#24
Say what you want, i have a new account since few month and you'll get another -1 later with my others accounts,  because i still not happy about what you did to me and you did not repair it Wink

You can put a feedback to say that i have an alt account named "Virtualis Games" which is the name of my project, it's ok, you are very immature  Cheesy

What exactly did I do to you? Didn't you just get done chastising me for a negative rating I didn't even give you? I don't owe you shit little boy. I offered you help and you spit in my face. Now you can deal with the results of me doing nothing for you. Cry me a river.
sr. member
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Merit: 267
December 27, 2019, 09:22:57 PM
#23
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I don't even necessarily disagree with you. The problem is that "lying" is often subjective and is subject to large amounts of interpretation regardless if you are right or not. My opinion on the matter is the ratings you left are counter productive to your own goals, and your fight against these lies would better be served by removing those ratings and simply drawing attention to this abuse via public discussion. You seem to be some what familiar with my history here. I shed no tears for the forum bitstasi. I am speaking only from a position of what I think would honestly help you serve your stated goals here. Right now your abuse of the trust system strips you of any moral authority in the situation, removing those ratings gives you a distinct advantage and would make people much more willing to hear your grievances. That is all. No one can make you do anything, just offering some friendly advice.

Funny. From the part of the guy that manipulated the trust list to give me a -1. You also manipulated the list to avoid getting a -1.

You are very dishonnest TECSHARE.

Aw look who it is. So I conspired to make ABitNut leave you a negative rating years ago, then worked to get on DT all to make sure some retard I don't even know and at the time had zero interactions with, got a negative rating did I? I know you are probably too brain damaged to remember, but YOU ASKED ME for help and I was the one trying to help you get that rating removed. Of course once you got what you wanted you started talking shit and threw me under a bus for my troubles. I guess in your partially functional brain stem I would never be back on default trust, so it didn't matter because you got what you wanted one way or another. Guess you were wrong and you told the one guy who could help you to fuck off and left him a negative rating yourself. Oopsey doopsey.

"StonerStanley   2019-12-27      Dishonest person who manipulate the trust list and opinion."

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The original rating is not your fault. You not listening to the advice of some one sacrificing their time and reputation to help you IS however your fault. Any project you engage in here will fail because you have no clue how to operate in this environment, and people like me won't be there to stand up for you. The kind of insolent behavior you are offering right now is why people like you never get anyone to stand up for them, so enjoy, because you asked for it, you got it.

Hmmm... sounds pretty prescient to me. Thanks for being the perfect example of my point by the way.


Say what you want, i have a new account since few month and you'll get another -1 later with my others accounts,  because i still not happy about what you did to me and you did not repair it Wink

You can put a feedback to say that i have an alt account named "Virtualis Games" which is the name of my project, it's ok, you are very immature  Cheesy

I stopped using this account since few month because you fucked it, but i saw few days ago that you put ABitNut back in the trust list so now my negative reputation has coming back, no doubt that you want to play.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
December 27, 2019, 09:22:23 AM
#22
~

I don't even necessarily disagree with you. The problem is that "lying" is often subjective and is subject to large amounts of interpretation regardless if you are right or not. My opinion on the matter is the ratings you left are counter productive to your own goals, and your fight against these lies would better be served by removing those ratings and simply drawing attention to this abuse via public discussion. You seem to be some what familiar with my history here. I shed no tears for the forum bitstasi. I am speaking only from a position of what I think would honestly help you serve your stated goals here. Right now your abuse of the trust system strips you of any moral authority in the situation, removing those ratings gives you a distinct advantage and would make people much more willing to hear your grievances. That is all. No one can make you do anything, just offering some friendly advice.

Funny. From the part of the guy that manipulated the trust list to give me a -1. You also manipulated the list to avoid getting a -1.

You are very dishonnest TECSHARE.

Aw look who it is. So I conspired to make ABitNut leave you a negative rating years ago, then worked to get on DT all to make sure some retard I don't even know and at the time had zero interactions with, got a negative rating did I? I know you are probably too brain damaged to remember, but YOU ASKED ME for help and I was the one trying to help you get that rating removed. Of course once you got what you wanted you started talking shit and threw me under a bus for my troubles. I guess in your partially functional brain stem I would never be back on default trust, so it didn't matter because you got what you wanted one way or another. Guess you were wrong and you told the one guy who could help you to fuck off and left him a negative rating yourself. Oopsey doopsey.

"StonerStanley   2019-12-27      Dishonest person who manipulate the trust list and opinion."

Quote
The original rating is not your fault. You not listening to the advice of some one sacrificing their time and reputation to help you IS however your fault. Any project you engage in here will fail because you have no clue how to operate in this environment, and people like me won't be there to stand up for you. The kind of insolent behavior you are offering right now is why people like you never get anyone to stand up for them, so enjoy, because you asked for it, you got it.

Hmmm... sounds pretty prescient to me. Thanks for being the perfect example of my point by the way.
sr. member
Activity: 535
Merit: 267
December 27, 2019, 06:37:03 AM
#21
~

I don't even necessarily disagree with you. The problem is that "lying" is often subjective and is subject to large amounts of interpretation regardless if you are right or not. My opinion on the matter is the ratings you left are counter productive to your own goals, and your fight against these lies would better be served by removing those ratings and simply drawing attention to this abuse via public discussion. You seem to be some what familiar with my history here. I shed no tears for the forum bitstasi. I am speaking only from a position of what I think would honestly help you serve your stated goals here. Right now your abuse of the trust system strips you of any moral authority in the situation, removing those ratings gives you a distinct advantage and would make people much more willing to hear your grievances. That is all. No one can make you do anything, just offering some friendly advice.

Funny. From the part of the guy that manipulated the trust list to give me a -1. You also manipulated the list to avoid getting a -1.

You are very dishonnest TECSHARE.
legendary
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Terminated.
December 27, 2019, 02:13:32 AM
#20
--and leaving somebody a neg based on that isn't what Theymos wants the trust system used for.
Have most of you guys forgot the lessening of the guidelines post the introduction of the flag system? Yes, you can now leave negatives for many more things (and no, it isn't abuse/misuse like it was before - to a lesser extent now). It is the flag system that's for scams nowadays, and the trust system for more "opinionated-things".

Trust flags

You should give these ratings for anything which you think would impact someone's willingness to trade with the person, but you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions or otherwise talk about things which would not be relevant to reasonable prospective traders.
FTFY. Anyhow, that's unrelated to my post. I'm only liable for what I say, not for what you understand.
legendary
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BTC or BUST
December 27, 2019, 01:08:29 AM
#19
--and leaving somebody a neg based on that isn't what Theymos wants the trust system used for.
Have most of you guys forgot the lessening of the guidelines post the introduction of the flag system? Yes, you can now leave negatives for many more things (and no, it isn't abuse/misuse like it was before - to a lesser extent now). It is the flag system that's for scams nowadays, and the trust system for more "opinionated-things".

Trust flags

you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
December 26, 2019, 11:34:37 PM
#18
~

I don't even necessarily disagree with you. The problem is that "lying" is often subjective and is subject to large amounts of interpretation regardless if you are right or not. My opinion on the matter is the ratings you left are counter productive to your own goals, and your fight against these lies would better be served by removing those ratings and simply drawing attention to this abuse via public discussion. You seem to be some what familiar with my history here. I shed no tears for the forum bitstasi. I am speaking only from a position of what I think would honestly help you serve your stated goals here. Right now your abuse of the trust system strips you of any moral authority in the situation, removing those ratings gives you a distinct advantage and would make people much more willing to hear your grievances. That is all. No one can make you do anything, just offering some friendly advice.
legendary
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December 26, 2019, 08:21:29 AM
#17
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When someone lying and manipulating, blames someone in "protecting scammers" without any proof, you can't consider it as "difference in opinion".

Lying in most cultures (except meybe some african and pacific indians) is forbidden. If you lied and were catched on it, mark "liar" will be with you for all your life. In some times, mark would be with you, and your tongue - not (it would be torn out of your mouth).
~

What beautiful words, however, Joni again is hypocritical  Roll Eyes

My first feedback was left to this "person" before any of his "investigations", for his very bad attitude for trolling people.

An amazing lie - amazing with its dullness. You left me your first feedback on July 29th.
The investigation about markiz73 was completed on July 26th.

Once again you are caught in a lie  Smiley

As we see, Joni loves to lie, but does not like to answer for his words.

~A standard set of accusations (mostly false) to which I have already answered many times.~
~If anyone is interested in my disputes about bitcoin, shitposting, scammer Crage Wright, scammers in community, etc. then they can read them here here and anywhere on the links. I am ready to answer for every word I say.~

Now back to the questions that Johny for some reason ignores:

1.) Joni hurt his psyche on a national issue. He's a nationalist and pours this shit in Ru local.

Problems with nationalities and nationalism constantly come out of johhnyUA. In Ru local, he writes a lot on this topic (in sections not intended for this). I do not want to drag all this filth and shit here, just a quote:

~
And if the post does not mention Russians or the Russian Federation in a negative way, then it means that it was not johhnyUA who wrote it.

2.) According to Joni theymos wants to steal forum money.

About Theymos: this is my personal assumption (this maggot created another out-of-context quote, and show me in a weird light). My post was like this
Oпять тaки, мoжeт cкaтывaюcь в кoнcпиpoлoгию, нo кaжeтcя чтo этo нeкaя пoлyпoдcoзнaтeльнaя идeя Teймoca. Чтoбы пoтoм дeнeжки oт фopyмa ceбe зaбpaть. И пpeдпoлoжeниe нe нa пycтoм мecтe, a иcxoдя из мнoгиx пoдoзpитeльныx фaктopoв.

And this his quote was explanation why i think so. ( i don't checked it, maybe it's poorly translated as with quotes in topic Supporting of shitposting by merit source is it trustworthy?, so, here in link for my message in russian, check it by yourself - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53274734)

Hahaha  Grin
Do not try to escape from this topic, liar. Give us your version of the translation and everyone will see what you mean.

After madnessteat verified the translation, it’s hard to give up his words, so Joni simply ignores this question. What an honest man  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Crypto for the Crypto Throne!
December 26, 2019, 07:58:24 AM
#16
I would advise johhnyUA to remove these ratings and make his grievances via public discussion. While I disagree with KTChampion's use of the trust system, I find the types who take it upon themselves to be forum police most often are unwilling to change their behavior. The only effective method of combating this is public discussion of the damages it causes, not by using the trust system to fight out these battles.

Despite some of your ideas is close to me (for example this post in politics and society about guns and trust) i can't perform your advise. Let me tell you why

Also this will be answer for this post:
While I disagree with KTChampions quite often, I don't think he deserves red trust. The key part of red trust is "high risk". None of the the things mentioned in johhnyUA's feedback represent high risk. They do represent a significant difference in opinions, which should not be basis for red trust.

There is not "difference in opinions". Difference in opinion is when you with your friend can't come to consensus what to eat: burgers or pizza. Or when two people decide which is better - communism or capitalism.

When someone lying and manipulating, blames someone in "protecting scammers" without any proof, you can't consider it as "difference in opinion".

Lying in most cultures (except meybe some african and pacific indians) is forbidden. If you lied and were catched on it, mark "liar" will be with you for all your life. In some times, mark would be with you, and your tongue - not (it would be torn out of your mouth).

Even today, in many european and some tates in USA you can be called in court for slander. And it could end for you sometimes in jail. Why so? It's easy to answer: because with false slander ("he is rapist, he is murder, he is thief!) you left someone under a threat. Under threat of imprisonment,  under the threat of reputation loss.
So, if in real life you must bear some consequences for your false slander, why it shouldn't be here?

Also, there three main points why feedback is still correct and will not remove that.

1 First: This person keep lying

(and will keep doing that forever, i don't know any liar who stopped to lie by himself)

2. Second:
He did not apologize before me, chimk, other users whom he accused to be a "corrupted" and "protectors of scammer"
here is an example of adequate apologize:

Чтo этo зa дepьмo? Teмa - "Coздaтeль биткoинa o BTC." Bнизy пoдпиcь Crag Wright.
http://archive.md/p93MD

Bы вoбщe в кypce, чтo тaкoe cпocoбнo дeзopиeнтиpoвaть нeoпытныx людeй и ввecти в зaблyждeниe и пpoизoйдёт этo c вaшeй пoдaчи? я дoлгo paзмycoливaть нe бyдy..

Of course, this topic can disorientate newbies, like "Wow, so Craig Wright is real Satoshi, so Bitcoin SV is real bitcoin. I will buy some bitcoin SV, to teh Mhoooooooooon!!1"
And this maggot don't fucking care about it, he will just laugh if something like that would happen, because his words - bitcoin scam and we all - sectarians.

The key part of red trust is "high risk"

Lying + manipulating + trolling + bitcoin hating = enough reason to think that this user is high risk in monetary terms to any user of Bitcoin forum.


The trust system is supposed to be a way to help warn users of and prevent theft and fraud. These uses are counterproductive to those goals on both sides.

So, my feedback's main purpose - to warn users. I used red paint because of obvious reasons - people will read move attentively (as you know, all important signs on the road or on electric transformer in the city is mostly red or orange paint).

Afterwords:
I like some of you, some of you i don't like and maybe think that you're acting like assholes sometime, but i not tagged KTChampions for one reason. I tagged him for full complex of reasons, which together makes him dangerous to any user of this forum. That's my opinion.

KTChampions == The-One-Above-All if the last one would started to investigate bounty cheaters and scams. (my view)
legendary
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December 25, 2019, 03:47:56 PM
#15
Judging by a specific message from johhnyUA, he doesn't trust KTChampions feedbacks. For such cases, the option (~) exists.

List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists, one user per line. Prefix a user's name with a tilde (~) if you want to exclude them from your trust network. <...>
legendary
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December 25, 2019, 02:57:45 PM
#14
While I disagree with KTChampions quite often, I don't think he deserves red trust. The key part of red trust is "high risk". None of the the things mentioned in johhnyUA's feedback represent high risk. They do represent a significant difference in opinions, which should not be basis for red trust.
legendary
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December 25, 2019, 02:33:34 PM
#13
OP, based on what JohhnyUA wrote in your feedback it doesn't really appear to be justified.  It looks like he just doesn't agree with your assessments on a few matters, which sort of comes down to a matter of opinion--and leaving somebody a neg based on that isn't what Theymos wants the trust system used for.  I don't know if anyone was falsely accused, because I haven't looked into the matter and haven't even read the entire OP here but you ought to be free to express your opinions and that includes calling out scams as you see them.  If something isn't actually a scam, the accused should make their case and let the community decide on it.

When it comes to making false accusations, people should really have more of a spine about that sort of thing.  I don't know how many times I've been slandered, and if you look at my trust page members have accused me of a lot of things I didn't do.  And you'll note that I haven't retaliated with red trust or even made a big deal out of it. 

Thank you for your opinion. I agree with you and this is not a complete list of things that scammers whom I investigated or their friends accuse me of.
Naturally, these feedback do not seriously bother me, but I was forced to make this post as a single place for all references - since troll Joni writes nonsense here and there.

I would advise johhnyUA to remove these ratings and make his grievances via public discussion. While I disagree with KTChampion's use of the trust system, I find the types who take it upon themselves to be forum police most often are unwilling to change their behavior. The only effective method of combating this is public discussion of the damages it causes, not by using the trust system to fight out these battles.

This is a completed stage. He lose all his discussions with me. That is why he left feedback "in favor" of third parties (who themselves did not leave me any feedbacks, and I did not leave any feedbacks to them).
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