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Quote from: Quickseller on March 04, 2016, 07:20:57 AM

You are twisting my words, I did not say that. If an account scams, then it is a scammer account, period. I was referring to locating alts of scammer accounts and there are ways around a scammer changing their password twice to attempt to avoid detection, I am not going to go into my specific tactics however I can find if an account that is linked to a scammer is still controlled by said scammer.

Was not meant as twisting your words. Though when a connection was drawn to a scammer then it means that account was or is identical with the scammer.

Ok you can assume it was sold and the new owner is innocent. The scammer sold fast, which would be the smart thing to do for him.

Though he should know the rhythm of password changes needed with escrow trades in order to emulate it. He might be able to hold his account.

Ok, on the other hand why should he? He probably would get red trust anyway so the chance might be higher that there is really a new owner.

I only say this is a twisted situation. Not negrepping might mean supporting the scammer that might still own that account. For what reason, I don't know. For sure it would be smarter to sell fast.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on March 04, 2016, 04:47:57 AM

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I will take a look at everything later and will give my opinion if ownership transferred prior to the negative rating being issued later today.

I believe that I checked for this when I placed my rating on the account, however I will check again.

I have removed my negative rating against ausbit, and recommend that others do the same.

Looking at the archives of the security log, it does look like transfer of ownership potentially happened after the date that the address that connected the account to PoeEDgar et al. Although it is impossible to prove that ownership of the account did not take place, the burden of proof is on the person who left the rating to prove the account did not change hands between the time the address was posted that connected the account to the scammer and when the rating was left, and I am currently unable to prove that ownership did not change in this period.

It appears as though I may have made a mistake when I left my negative rating for this person, and I apologize for this.

I am however, still investigating and it is possible that additional negative ratings may follow regarding this situation.

Interesting to see you getting more cautious.

Nope, not being more cautious. This is the same policy that I have always followed, however it appears that I either missed this account being on the security log or I forgot to check when I left my negative rating.

Well, though on the other side it would mean that scammers would be pretty safe. Simply scam, change pass twice or thrice and you are fine. You have a sold account.

Well, I'm pretty cautious with red trust too, only pointing out a problem. Wink

You are twisting my words, I did not say that. If an account scams, then it is a scammer account, period. I was referring to locating alts of scammer accounts and there are ways around a scammer changing their password twice to attempt to avoid detection, I am not going to go into my specific tactics however I can find if an account that is linked to a scammer is still controlled by said scammer.

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 03, 2016, 02:22:49 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on March 02, 2016, 06:57:04 AM

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 02, 2016, 12:23:48 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 01, 2016, 03:31:13 PM

I will take a look at everything later and will give my opinion if ownership transferred prior to the negative rating being issued later today.

I believe that I checked for this when I placed my rating on the account, however I will check again.

I have removed my negative rating against ausbit, and recommend that others do the same.

Looking at the archives of the security log, it does look like transfer of ownership potentially happened after the date that the address that connected the account to PoeEDgar et al. Although it is impossible to prove that ownership of the account did not take place, the burden of proof is on the person who left the rating to prove the account did not change hands between the time the address was posted that connected the account to the scammer and when the rating was left, and I am currently unable to prove that ownership did not change in this period.

It appears as though I may have made a mistake when I left my negative rating for this person, and I apologize for this.

I am however, still investigating and it is possible that additional negative ratings may follow regarding this situation.

Interesting to see you getting more cautious.

Nope, not being more cautious. This is the same policy that I have always followed, however it appears that I either missed this account being on the security log or I forgot to check when I left my negative rating.

Well, though on the other side it would mean that scammers would be pretty safe. Simply scam, change pass twice or thrice and you are fine. You have a sold account.

Well, I'm pretty cautious with red trust too, only pointing out a problem. Wink

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Quote from: SebastianJu on March 02, 2016, 06:57:04 AM

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 02, 2016, 12:23:48 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 01, 2016, 03:31:13 PM

I will take a look at everything later and will give my opinion if ownership transferred prior to the negative rating being issued later today.

I believe that I checked for this when I placed my rating on the account, however I will check again.

I have removed my negative rating against ausbit, and recommend that others do the same.

Looking at the archives of the security log, it does look like transfer of ownership potentially happened after the date that the address that connected the account to PoeEDgar et al. Although it is impossible to prove that ownership of the account did not take place, the burden of proof is on the person who left the rating to prove the account did not change hands between the time the address was posted that connected the account to the scammer and when the rating was left, and I am currently unable to prove that ownership did not change in this period.

It appears as though I may have made a mistake when I left my negative rating for this person, and I apologize for this.

I am however, still investigating and it is possible that additional negative ratings may follow regarding this situation.

Interesting to see you getting more cautious.

Nope, not being more cautious. This is the same policy that I have always followed, however it appears that I either missed this account being on the security log or I forgot to check when I left my negative rating.

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Quote from: Lutpin on March 03, 2016, 08:18:25 AM

Quote from: xetsr on March 03, 2016, 08:14:17 AM

Someone should create a tl;dr for blazed thread if it's getting that bad.

Last time Blazed commented on the whole topic, this was his conclusion:

Quote from: Blazed on February 29, 2016, 07:56:04 AM

I really think that Lutpin and Mexxer are doing alright so far. I think it sucks we need people who have to scam bust, but this forum is a cesspool of scammers if we do not. I am on the fence about the gift cards though. Some people do sell cheap cards and I doubt all of them are carded. If someone is offering a warranty with them...obviously carded. I have spoken with a few high-level people and had some message me about these 2 additions. Everyone agrees they are doing an alright job so far. My only advice is slow down and make sure you are right when leaving negative feedback.

It seems now that they didn't bring Blazed to remove mexxer-2/me from his downlist, they are trying to go after Blazed on DT1, hoping to kick us off that way.

Quote from: Heutenamos on March 01, 2016, 11:57:46 PM

I think its time blazed goes back to Level 2

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on March 03, 2016, 08:09:00 AM

I agree with Heutenamos, i think its time blazed gets demoted to DT2

Dont take it personal, we arent fighting against you, but your trust rating often get changed after you make them

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Quote from: Lutpin on March 03, 2016, 08:18:25 AM

It seems now that they didn't bring Blazed to remove mexxer-2/me from his downlist, they are trying to go after Blazed on DT1, hoping to kick us off that way.

Quote from: Heutenamos on March 01, 2016, 11:57:46 PM

I think its time blazed goes back to Level 2

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on March 03, 2016, 08:09:00 AM

I agree with Heutenamos, i think its time blazed gets demoted to DT2

ha! Good luck with that is all I can say. Some you guys can troll other people off DT but blazed won't be one of them. The only way I can see him getting demoted is by him asking to be removed.

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Quote from: xetsr on March 03, 2016, 08:14:17 AM

Someone should create a tl;dr for blazed thread if it's getting that bad.

Last time Blazed commented on the whole topic, this was his conclusion:

Quote from: Blazed on February 29, 2016, 07:56:04 AM

I really think that Lutpin and Mexxer are doing alright so far. I think it sucks we need people who have to scam bust, but this forum is a cesspool of scammers if we do not. I am on the fence about the gift cards though. Some people do sell cheap cards and I doubt all of them are carded. If someone is offering a warranty with them...obviously carded. I have spoken with a few high-level people and had some message me about these 2 additions. Everyone agrees they are doing an alright job so far. My only advice is slow down and make sure you are right when leaving negative feedback.

It seems now that they didn't bring Blazed to remove mexxer-2/me from his downlist, they are trying to go after Blazed on DT1, hoping to kick us off that way.

Quote from: Heutenamos on March 01, 2016, 11:57:46 PM

I think its time blazed goes back to Level 2

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on March 03, 2016, 08:09:00 AM

I agree with Heutenamos, i think its time blazed gets demoted to DT2

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on March 03, 2016, 08:09:00 AM

This is getting ridiculous now almost every thread made sees luptin having to remove or change his feedback, I agree with Heutenamos, i think its time blazed gets demoted to DT2

I haven't kept up with all these threads but from what I've seen, he has been linking accounts through blockchain. You guys wanted proof, he posted proof. In this case, this is the risk of buying accounts. You get linked to others and it can be hard to prove otherwise (sec log doesn't count).

Someone should create a tl;dr thread for blazed if it's getting that bad though.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on March 03, 2016, 08:09:00 AM

This is getting ridiculous now almost every thread made sees luptin having to remove or change his feedback, I agree with Heutenamos, i think its time blazed gets demoted to DT2

Yes being on DT, he should be careful when giving negative feedbacks and only do this when he is 100% sure with proofs

um okay, blockchain evidence is not proof.. i guess.

maybe someone should PM theymos and just have him remove the part I bolded below:
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

but I doubt he would.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on March 03, 2016, 08:09:00 AM

This is getting ridiculous now almost every thread made sees luptin having to remove or change his feedback, I agree with Heutenamos, i think its time blazed gets demoted to DT2

Yes being on DT, he should be careful when giving negative feedbacks and only do this when he is 100% sure with proofs

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This is getting ridiculous now almost every thread made sees luptin having to remove or change his feedback, I agree with Heutenamos, i think its time blazed gets demoted to DT2

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Yeah Lutpin fomous motherfucker. Please anybody block him! Cry

I am also victim of his folly...

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Quote from: ausbit on March 01, 2016, 02:44:49 PM

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I guess that's the risk of buying accounts.

why the only my account from the list was tagged when its ownership was changed already and any blind person can see that from security log

Security log doesn't prove who changed the password. The whole, I bought this account and etc has been used before. Not saying this is what you did, instead trying to show you why account buying can be risking.

A user with common sense can get idea from security log that account ownership is changed

An idea, yes, but no proof. Otherwise we would have ALOT of accounts with neg or neutral trust saying that it is a sold account.

Sometimes scammers try to claim they bought the account only to make it ready for a better account sale.

I did not check the evidences but blockchain proofs are pretty good normally. Might be you bought the wrong account and it was, unfortunately, unavoidable since it probably was impossible to find that before.

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 01, 2016, 03:31:13 PM

I will take a look at everything later and will give my opinion if ownership transferred prior to the negative rating being issued later today.

I believe that I checked for this when I placed my rating on the account, however I will check again.

I have removed my negative rating against ausbit, and recommend that others do the same.

Looking at the archives of the security log, it does look like transfer of ownership potentially happened after the date that the address that connected the account to PoeEDgar et al. Although it is impossible to prove that ownership of the account did not take place, the burden of proof is on the person who left the rating to prove the account did not change hands between the time the address was posted that connected the account to the scammer and when the rating was left, and I am currently unable to prove that ownership did not change in this period.

It appears as though I may have made a mistake when I left my negative rating for this person, and I apologize for this.

I am however, still investigating and it is possible that additional negative ratings may follow regarding this situation.

Interesting to see you getting more cautious.

Well, you are right, it is up to the one that gave the red trust. At the end the seclog might show that the previous owner changed the password twice to let it look like the account was sold.

In such cases a private message could not really help too since it would be no problem to fake a sale with a newbie account too.

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Quote from: Heutenamos on March 01, 2016, 11:57:46 PM

Quote from: Neotox on March 01, 2016, 05:09:49 PM

don't ruin someone's business if you can't find real scammers on forum

I think its time blazed goes back to Level 2, They did the same with LBC account seller ,destroying sales and trolling.

Quote from: whywefight on March 01, 2016, 06:20:08 PM

can you proof

Why ask the proof now ? when we don't need it before tagging an innocent participant in investor based games.

because its my party and i can do what i want to

EDIT:

As my posts about explaining what i meant by party were deleted, let me put it here so it gets clear:

party as event, not party as team or people

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 01, 2016, 03:31:13 PM

I will take a look at everything later and will give my opinion if ownership transferred prior to the negative rating being issued later today.

I believe that I checked for this when I placed my rating on the account, however I will check again.

I have removed my negative rating against ausbit, and recommend that others do the same.

Looking at the archives of the security log, it does look like transfer of ownership potentially happened after the date that the address that connected the account to PoeEDgar et al. Although it is impossible to prove that ownership of the account did not take place, the burden of proof is on the person who left the rating to prove the account did not change hands between the time the address was posted that connected the account to the scammer and when the rating was left, and I am currently unable to prove that ownership did not change in this period.

It appears as though I may have made a mistake when I left my negative rating for this person, and I apologize for this.

I am however, still investigating and it is possible that additional negative ratings may follow regarding this situation.

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Quote from: Neotox on March 01, 2016, 05:09:49 PM

don't ruin someone's business if you can't find real scammers on forum

I think its time blazed goes back to Level 2, They did the same with LBC account seller ,destroying sales and trolling.

Quote from: whywefight on March 01, 2016, 06:20:08 PM

can you proof

Why ask the proof now ? when we don't need it before tagging an innocent participant in investor based games.

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Quote from: bitcoin.business on March 01, 2016, 04:24:49 PM

This guy is an idiot (Lutpin) thinks hes high and mighty leaving negative reps.. I never even sent him accounts and he claims that I gave away cracked accounts, what a douche, I rather give aaway accounts then people selling them here to make money..

can you proof you dont?

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what proofs you guys need.
I have bought and resold this account back in January
don't ruin someone's business if you can't find real scammers on forum

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Quote from: bitcoin.business on March 01, 2016, 04:24:49 PM

I never even sent him accounts and he claims that I gave away cracked accounts, what a douche, I rather give aaway accounts then people selling them here to make money..

I contacted 2 guys who got accounts from your giveaway, both shared the accounts you gave to them with me.
I verified those accounts to be available in public on sites that share leaked/cracked accounts.

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This guy is an idiot (Lutpin) thinks hes high and mighty leaving negative reps.. I never even sent him accounts and he claims that I gave away cracked accounts, what a douche, I rather give aaway accounts then people selling them here to make money..

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Quote from: mexxer-2 on March 01, 2016, 03:37:54 PM

Quote from: Shield on March 01, 2016, 03:31:46 PM

I have been finding alts of scammers but IMO if password of account changed and someone saying account was sold then giving negative with old proofs isn't a good idea.

So in your opinion if someone scammed in Nov. 2015 , and then decided to come back on his alt and said "I was sold this account by the owner." after a simple pass change you'd believe that?

Quote from: Shield on March 01, 2016, 03:31:46 PM

Someone a user sell one of their account and that used for scam it doesn't mean give negative to all accounts without any proof

Why not? Anyway there is ample proof(that has still not been disproved by any strong indication of an account sale, except a pass change) the account was originally under CEG's control. For all I know it still could be

you have missed comments from account seller that was defending him.

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