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legendary
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June 12, 2019, 04:17:43 AM
#84
Another feedback

I have over 1000 Negative feedback sent to abusers and with the new limited feedbacks for page on trust profile https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1339716 is a nightmare to navigate them.

Can you please rollback this page as it was before?

For people with a lot of feedbacks is impossible so search something there.

legendary
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June 12, 2019, 04:12:51 AM
#83
I deleted my support as I was just testing the flag system, but if someone flags you over the self escrow ordeal I will support that and keep it there.

It's a shame that we cannot use self-moderated and/or locked threads as references for flag. What about archives ? They prevent some posts from being edited.
This thread & msg wouldn't work but is highly relevant : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12421096
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 04:06:50 AM
#82
For example Lauda left a flag (that is labeled as inactive) to quickseller (reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quickseller-vs-cleaning-up-the-forum-5152349)



What do you think about it?

I think this is a good opportunity to test theymos' credibility when he said this:
Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements. If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP.

Those supporting those type of flags should very clearly be blacklisted from the trust system, both on DT1 and DT2.

What do you think about it?
I think I should be blacklisted as the victims are gone or afraid to speak out, and acting on their behalf is against the format. Smiley
Roll Eyes

More projection I see.
I deleted my support as I was just testing the flag system, but if someone flags you over the self escrow ordeal I will support that and keep it there.

Still reading this thread and new system and seems like a lot of extra work but it does force a user to show their work so to speak. Should we go through all our previous feedbacks left and flag users for scam activities? For example, in my case I have a few bounty cheaters and signature campaign cheaters?

legendary
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June 12, 2019, 03:58:39 AM
#81
1st feedback is visual

I think the code of trust score should be Bolded on the profile to be more effective

Before talking more on it, I need to study it see u later.




 Grin
copper member
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June 12, 2019, 03:49:43 AM
#80
This reminds me that the prime time to tag HostFat/Bcash/BSV with new flags.
I think these are examples of people the trust system upgrade is intended to protect -- those who have disagreeing opinions from those on DT (and in power) -- and who should not be receiving flags.

Craig Wright is pretending to be Satoshi and he plagiarized the Bitcoin whitepaper. There are countless of examples shown here: https://stopcraigwright.com. Anyone actively supporting BSV is claiming that it is Bitcoin. BSV is a scam.
It sounds to me like you are supporting weaponizing the trust system. You should be blacklisted.

If you have technical arguments as to why BSV is inferior to bitcoin, or other altcoins, you should make them. While I acknowledge you are incapable of making a well rounded argument, about anything, I do not doubt that others who are smart can make arguments against BSV, and people can judge for themselves if they want to buy/use it.
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 03:25:54 AM
#79
This reminds me that the prime time to tag HostFat/Bcash/BSV with new flags.
I think these are examples of people the trust system upgrade is intended to protect -- those who have disagreeing opinions from those on DT (and in power) -- and who should not be receiving flags.

Craig Wright is pretending to be Satoshi and he plagiarized the Bitcoin whitepaper. There are countless of examples shown here: https://stopcraigwright.com. Anyone actively supporting BSV is claiming that it is Bitcoin. BSV is a scam.
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 03:25:46 AM
#78
Well to be entirely fair, there are a decent number of scammers who support you on DT, so blacklisting these people would not be all that bad.
Yawn. Is this all you got? You got a dose of hopium, thinking you'll get back to scamming again just before I flagged you again. Kiss



Looks great to me. Most of your threads are fraudulent, and it should be shown as such.
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June 12, 2019, 03:23:26 AM
#77
For example Lauda left a flag (that is labeled as inactive) to quickseller (reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quickseller-vs-cleaning-up-the-forum-5152349)



What do you think about it?

I think this is a good opportunity to test theymos' credibility when he said this:
Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements. If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP.
Those supporting those type of flags should very clearly be blacklisted from the trust system, both on DT1 and DT2.
It's excellent. Most DT members will be afraid to support this move; the more do and show that they actually do back up their words, the more fun this will be. Wipe out most of the old DT for flagging a known scammer, that will show them abusers! Cheesy Direct link to flag is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=35.
Well to be entirely fair, there are a decent number of scammers who support you on DT, so blacklisting these people would not be all that bad.
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 03:20:38 AM
#76
For example Lauda left a flag (that is labeled as inactive) to quickseller (reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quickseller-vs-cleaning-up-the-forum-5152349)



What do you think about it?

I think this is a good opportunity to test theymos' credibility when he said this:
Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements. If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP.
Those supporting those type of flags should very clearly be blacklisted from the trust system, both on DT1 and DT2.
It's excellent. Most DT members will be afraid to support this move; the more do and show that they actually do back up their words, the more fun this will be. Wipe out most of the old DT for flagging a known scammer, that will show them abusers! Cheesy Direct link to flag is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=35.

FYI, BSV has already been handled. Next is HostFat and Bcash.
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June 12, 2019, 03:18:08 AM
#75
For example Lauda left a flag (that is labeled as inactive) to quickseller (reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quickseller-vs-cleaning-up-the-forum-5152349)



What do you think about it?

I think this is a good opportunity to test theymos' credibility when he said this:
Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements. If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP.

Those supporting those type of flags should very clearly be blacklisted from the trust system, both on DT1 and DT2.

What do you think about it?
I think I should be blacklisted as the victims are gone or afraid to speak out, and acting on their behalf is against the format. Smiley
Roll Eyes

More projection I see.
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 03:08:39 AM
#74
This reminds me that the prime time to tag HostFat/Bcash/BSV with new flags.
I think these are examples of people the trust system upgrade is intended to protect -- those who have disagreeing opinions from those on DT (and in power) -- and who should not be receiving flags.

Let Lauda bury themselves... they are now fighting an uphill battle.
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 03:08:12 AM
#73
What do you think about it?
I think I should be blacklisted as the victims are gone or afraid to speak out, and acting on their behalf is against the format. Smiley
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 03:06:13 AM
#72
For example Lauda left a flag (that is labeled as inactive) to quickseller (reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quickseller-vs-cleaning-up-the-forum-5152349)



What do you think about it?
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 02:55:34 AM
#71
This reminds me that the prime time to tag HostFat/Bcash/BSV with new flags.
I think these are examples of people the trust system upgrade is intended to protect -- those who have disagreeing opinions from those on DT (and in power) -- and who should not be receiving flags.
Anyone who has bought either one of those coins thinking it was Bitcoin has been outright scammed. There are thousands of these victims. I will be leaving them, especially on HostFat. You can cry somewhere else.
copper member
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June 12, 2019, 02:54:09 AM
#70
This reminds me that the prime time to tag HostFat/Bcash/BSV with new flags.
I think these are examples of people the trust system upgrade is intended to protect -- those who have disagreeing opinions from those on DT (and in power) -- and who should not be receiving flags.
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 02:50:00 AM
#69

I wanted to know it as well because for flag there's only "Support" and "Oppose" options and there's no such thing as neutral. What is it really meant to those italicized member on the flag?


They are not in the DT network. Their vote do not count.
You likely were wrong. I even can flag myself, and my name in Support List is not in italic font style or grey color
Please check it there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1520746

As iasenko suggeted, users should not be able to flag themselves. Maybe it is a bug.
I can put a flag on my own account. This should be disabled as before.
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 02:41:45 AM
#68
I can put a flag on my own account. This should be disabled as before.

I opposed it, nothing but slanderous lies  Tongue

A negative rating right now is completely useless and will be disregarded by the supermajority of the users (the same way that neutral ratings always have been). I'd actually advise against leaving them to save yourself the time and trouble; just skip straight into scammer flags.

That's unfortunate then. It still shows up right there on any board that displays it, just as visible. The only change there is that there isn't a trust score which I felt was less informative than a tally of all feedback left. I do think I'll still be leaving a healthy mix of them all, just going to be a while figuring out when to use what. I still like the idea of using the negatives because there is no guarantee that they'll be activated in a timely fashion, so it's a good back up.
This also means that the previous guideline for negative ratings is not valid anymore. You don't need to be scammed, not even close to that. You can, much more freely, leave negative ratings. It's all about those unconsidered side-effects.  Roll Eyes This reminds me that the prime time to tag HostFat/Bcash/BSV with new flags.
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 02:38:49 AM
#67
Have fun with the scammers being on a roll again. I ain't creating 5k flags.
Is anyone asking you or you are asking to change the system in your favor? Whatever it is, good luck. I told you all that a change is coming. Enjoy it.
I think that Lauda makes a good point about how much redundant work seems necessary, especially if there is no algorithm or something that converts or counts past work.... or maybe a kind of transition period in which some of the past work would still have some kind of effect - though the raw data is still there (meaning the actual trust feedback(s) that had already been given).  They just don't have a trust number affiliated with them, any longer....   I find it a bit confusing, at least at the moment... and I am not sure how much repeated work is going to be needed to be carried out by some of the red trust work horses of the past (including whether some of the work of the red trust work horses of the past is being thrown out the window through this change).
In many cases it would require action from a total of 3 members per the tagged user. All in all, it's probably closer to 5k flags and at least 5k-10k support clicks. Who has time to do that? It's just not plausible (even though it would be worth it).

I think that is kind of the point, that people who make an industry of leaving negative ratings aren't incentivized to do so any more, leaving the task to those directly effected. You personally have done more to bring about this change than anyone. I won't hold my breath for the sky falling, but you feel free to.
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June 12, 2019, 02:17:59 AM
#66
A negative rating right now is completely useless and will be disregarded by the supermajority of the users (the same way that neutral ratings always have been). I'd actually advise against leaving them to save yourself the time and trouble; just skip straight into scammer flags.

That's unfortunate then. It still shows up right there on any board that displays it, just as visible. The only change there is that there isn't a trust score which I felt was less informative than a tally of all feedback left. I do think I'll still be leaving a healthy mix of them all, just going to be a while figuring out when to use what. I still like the idea of using the negatives because there is no guarantee that they'll be activated in a timely fashion, so it's a good back up.
I don't see any reason why people will outright ignore negative ratings. They will still review the ratings, and take them into consideration, but if there is no clear articulation as to why or how they are unsafe to trade with, they will be rightfully ignored.

I don't think it will be possible to weaponize the trust system anymore. Or at least it will be much more difficult to do so. 
legendary
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June 12, 2019, 02:12:49 AM
#65
I can put a flag on my own account. This should be disabled as before.

I opposed it, nothing but slanderous lies  Tongue

A negative rating right now is completely useless and will be disregarded by the supermajority of the users (the same way that neutral ratings always have been). I'd actually advise against leaving them to save yourself the time and trouble; just skip straight into scammer flags.

That's unfortunate then. It still shows up right there on any board that displays it, just as visible. The only change there is that there isn't a trust score which I felt was less informative than a tally of all feedback left. I do think I'll still be leaving a healthy mix of them all, just going to be a while figuring out when to use what. I still like the idea of using the negatives because there is no guarantee that they'll be activated in a timely fashion, so it's a good back up.
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