Topic: ? Trust Score Not Shown In Bitcoin Discussion Board? (Read 328 times)

Maybe you didn't discover this along side that not only the bitcoin discussion board does not show the trust ratings, we have other boards as well that this is not shown and as it has already been said from previous replies, Theymos feels there's no need for that on some specific boards, just as you could see how signature is being made disabled in some other boards as well, they also have reasons why they are not shown.

By the way I did not notice this change before, but after reading the OP post, I just reconfirmed and found that yes, the trust display is missing in the Bitcoin discussion section.


Well, then can't this type of behavior be seen from the member's ranks as well? Anything posted by the Legendary member usually has (or is perceived as) a higher weightage than anyone's else point of view especially if it is said by a Newbie or Jr Member. I am not saying to remove the rank display from these boards, but just sharing an observation as a whole.

seriously?? Is that the reasons he ain't making 'em trust scores visible on these boards?? I've been observing that too - especially on the gambling board.

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I feel that somehow, he doesn't wanna make anyone's reputation define them on those boards - since we've got alot of traffic in there and peeps would wanne be skeptical about seeing an OP with 'em red tags all over.
ain't no way, chymist! Dear, is there gonna be a time you ain't complaining about getting fatigued/ having a pebble brain? ion even know why 'em gurus be buttering themselves under this unusual disclaimer all the time.. I don't.

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Bitcoin Discussion Board is for discussing about bitcoin There is no opportunity to do any kind of transaction because of that. Here it doesn't matter who is the scammer, spammer or any other criminal. And that's why Theymos doesn't think it's necessary to display the trust option there and that's why it's turned off. You will notice that the trust option is not displayed on the Meta board either.  Because Meta is a forum related discussion, there is no transaction or contract here.  For this reason it is not displayed here

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In the boards where any contract, transaction, exchange, buying/selling, landing activities are completed, the trust option is always displayed there so that everyone can easily guess a scammer, spammer, cheater or any other criminals

If the feedback system was not very commonly used wrongly, we will see no need to want to make it visible on all boards. Trust feedbacks serve as reviews of a user's general trustworthiness, so anything that one should know before entering a trade with then should be included there. Someone being a troll, or spamming (subjectively) does not directly affect trades and should not be included in the trust system.
One grey area is neutral feedbacks where you can leave general reviews or opinions about the user.

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Trust feedbacks shown in board where no trades happen openly will clutter the board and potentially changes the course of discussions there. Anyone who will trade through those boards will do so privately, which requires them to go to the user's profile where they will see the feedbacks displayed.

I don't think that's exactly what you mean, but that's what happens to me on the Scam Accusation board. I see a member with his profile painted red saying he's been scammed and in principle I'm more sceptical than if he had a dozen green ones, as I think is normal. A case in point would be this.

Given the nature of the trust system, it's easy to get your profile painted in red for something that has nothing to do with you being untrustworthy, initially, and supposedly the trust score shouldn't be there to begin with, it is supposed to be that whenever you want to trade with someone, you visit their profile and check the feedback one by one to see if they make any substantial evidence that this user is not to be trusted or vice versa because it's possible that you refrain from dealing with someone who has 2 negative feedback just because of some nonsense.

For the most part, the trust system is "okay"-- it gives you a general idea about the persona behind the profile, but it's indeed not enough to judge the trustworthiness of said persona, having that displayed in all sections causes more harm than good, as a reasonable person you would want to hear about a security leak found in your wallet from anyone regardless of their profile status, now imagine someone with a few negative feedback in the technical discussion writing a comment of that nature, you will likely automatically discard that comment and move on to the next comment written by someone with 5 positive feedback telling you not to listen to the person above.


In most boards some level of "trade" happens, people offer repair services, a new mining pool, a new firmware, etc., so it does make some sense to have the trust displayed there, but when you have a discussion about increasing BTC block size in the Bitcoin Discussion Board, you are unlikely to have any sort of trades with the users there.

Isn't that exactly what mainstream media doing? Discredit or defame who ever they don't like.
And if someone is influenced purely by a trust feedback no matter what the person is saying, whether they are quoting Shakespeare or Descartes, if you dismiss them simply because the person has neg, or if you take it to your heart and follow that person step by step because of pos trust.

Well then, congratulations you have been successfully manipulated by social engineering tactics like 90% of people on earth.

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I wonder, do people trade in all of the mining boards to have trust system enabled there?  Also note that we have some topics posted on project development board which requires a level of trust and even involves purchases. Shouldn't trust be displayed there?

Even if it's displayed, default  trust score holds no value in a system based on pure anarchism, after all not everyone can be like Satoshi to eliminate the need of trust by writing codes and protocols, nobody is even trying to be like him.

Well that's his exact reasoning and I have seen people use people's trust score in arguments before before as an off topic ad hominem attack just to dismiss what someone is saying, so it can and does influence how some people perceive others even though it might have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

It's called wasting time, having the trust feedback is visible will not make you to click the profile.

I completely understand if merit should be rewarded for the post quality regardless the account, but the reality is different with the expectation. I'm pointing out with the reality where people merit because of the trust feedback, merit send, local users, friends, etc.

Lol, there's no correlation with my point above.

Leaving a negative trust on an account because it was bought or hacked is necessary because it is an indication that this user is no longer the real owner of the account and that when you were dealing with the account you were dealing with the real owner and not a scammer who stole the account.
This user is a spammer, usually as a neutral trust and as an alert to the campaign manager.

you may not agree with some trust feedback of some users, but the overall impression should be the reason for adding or removing any member.

I don't know its early history, perhaps because there were no transactions taking place in bitcoin discussions, there was no need to display a trust system on the board. As far as I have read, trust systems function to avoid fraud and/or anything related to money and trust systems do not function for discussion and/or differences of opinion.

I knew it didn't show up in one or two sections, but I'll be damned if I ever paid attention to the trust stats being missing.  I thought about it for a few minutes, and I'm of two minds about Theymos's decision to do that.  On the one hand, a positive or negative trust score could definitely influence how other members weigh the posts of the person with that trust, which could be very unfair in most cases.  That's being pretty damn fair, I'd say.

On the other hand, as we all know trust can be given for any reason and if a DT member tags an account for changing hands (*ahem*), that might be something you'd want to look into if you were curious when reading a post written by that account.  You could be thinking you're reading something by someone who's not who you think they are. 

And dammit, that's as far as my fatigued, pea brain got in cerebrating on the topic at hand.  If I had to weigh the points I made above I'd have to say it's better to keep it like it is.  The less unnecessary bias the better, I say.

That's not 100% right because I have noticed that trust score shows on boards which have nothing to do with trading. I have seen it in "mining board", "altcoin boards" that aren't related to trading at all. And, I really agree that trust score was basically introduced to help protect the members of the forum from the scammers.

I agree with your points but still the members who left those type of feedback are doing good for the forum. A person who contributes good information on forum will always get appreciation from the other members of the forum in the form of a positive feedback. The ones who buy accounts are mostly frauds and that's why members leave feedback like that to warn the users to be careful from such users.

It is not necessary for it to be displayed in all boards, moreover if you are interested in the trust page of a particular user, just two clicks would take you to their trust page, so i don't think that should be a hassle for anyone. BTW, merits should be sent to quality posts irrespective of whoever made such posts, it shouldn't matter what their trust page says, and if you don't want to reply or have any discussion with a user, just add them to your ignore list.

I recently asked a similar question about the old negative trust feedback that shows up with a red warning, like the newbie flags of today. I got a similar answer to the one in this thread, as they are related.

The trust system was created with the objective to mark users who have completed trades and thus can be "considered" trustworthy of another trade. Eventually this became a method to mark scammers too, because the same boon and be a bane for those who are not trustworthy.

Hence Marketplace, Trading Discussion and its child boards are where you will be shown Trust scores by default on the Global forum. Those are the ones pertaining to use of "trust" mechanic.

Extrapolated, it started incorporating other types of fraud, like campaign cheaters.

I have noticed that for a while also that trust score don’t show on all boards in the forum. I came to realise that those trust scores are only shown on boards that are relevant for you to check the trust of the user before having anything to deal with that person. I like it that way and it really proves the importance of trust score in the forum.

Above members already answer it, but to be honest it's important to show the trust score in every boards because it help people who want to send merit or replying the thread. Some users don't want to send merit or replying to red trust account due to some personal reasons.

If you think such feedback are misuses of trust feedback, you need to distrust those DT members who left that feedback. Trust or distrust an user is one of contribution for trust feedback to achieve it's purpose. It's not right to let someone did something wrong.

From its name, it is linked to the market or places where transactions take place, not the boards designated for discussions. Also, its display may affect the quality of discussions, given that when people do not trust someone, they may question his ideas.