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Quote from: alani123 on March 24, 2015, 08:17:02 PM

Quote from: dogie on March 23, 2015, 08:42:29 AM

Another important issue is that someone's found an effective way to register and control multiple accounts. That's not a good thing.

Most of the spammy ones were left at the same day but we don't know if it happened at the exact same time. So it's not 100% sure that someone was using multiple accounts simultaneously.

If all were in the same day then it could just be a bunch of unhappy customers all finding out about some scam or something all at once but it doesn't really look the case. Logging in and logging out of all these accounts takes a while so I wouldn't be surprised if these were all done in 2 or 3 hours at once. I haven't had time to check all the accounts but are they all mostly newbies or actual established accounts with variation (not all the same register date etc.)

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Quote from: dogie on March 23, 2015, 08:42:29 AM

Another important issue is that someone's found an effective way to register and control multiple accounts. That's not a good thing.

Most of the spammy ones were left at the same day but we don't know if it happened at the exact same time. So it's not 100% sure that someone was using multiple accounts simultaneously.

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Quote from: ajw7989 on March 24, 2015, 06:44:48 AM

Quote from: ABitNut on March 23, 2015, 05:12:44 AM

I guess I stepped on someone's toes enough to warrant some old-fashioned trust spamming! Someone actually went through the effort to create several accounts only to give some negative feedback to me.

I'm flattered, impressed and disappointed at the same time.

Really? You decide to negative trust spam all users selling anything you think is bad. I have been selling MSDN keys since december and have no unresolved complaints. I have been selling products on this forum for a long time and never had a problem (longer than your account existed). I can assure you the negative trust I left you is because you have no reason to leave me negative trust for something so ridiculous. I never dealt with you and I advertise my products exactly how they are. I dont say they are not MSDN keys when they are. GO through the digital goods section and I bet you 80% of the stuff would not meet your approval does not mean they are not allowed on this forum.

This thread was made before you left me any feedback. It is about the trust spam (new accounts created solely to put some negative feedback on me). I found that noteworthy. I am not asking anyone to remove them. While I disagree with the feedback you left on me it is not trust spam. I disagree with the logic in you feedback. First of all, I'm not leaving negative feedback for all sellers selling anything I think is bad. I left feedback on sellers of Starbucks gift cards because there is credit card fraud involved. I left feedback on sellers of Microsoft product keys because there is fraud involved as well. That you have no unresolved customer complaints is all fine and dandy, but that doesn't make what you're doing legit.

If there is something factually wrong about the feedback I gave you then please let me know and I will amend it.

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Quote from: ajw7989 on March 24, 2015, 08:08:29 AM

I agree with this statement which is what pisses me off. I take care of my customers and always provide great support on any product I sell to avoid negative trust.

An honest thief. Good for you.

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Quote from: tspacepilot on March 24, 2015, 10:30:40 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on March 24, 2015, 09:59:45 AM

Quote from: tspacepilot on March 24, 2015, 08:17:14 AM

Quote from: FuckIdolPlus on March 23, 2015, 05:25:47 AM

I think that is untrusted feedback, it's all over Vod's profile too.
Vod deserved it, and you too kind of deserve some negative trust (for starting the flame regarding MSDN sales) Roll Eyes

But this is not the way how this should happen.
This is totally wrong. Admins would surely remove it

I got into it a little bit with Vod yesterday because I also don't understand how/why MSCORP intellectual property has anything to do with the bitcoinforum or why he's going around neg-repping anyone who deals with this stuff. Why are people on default trust acting as MSCORP representatives I can't understand.

FuckIdolPlus, are you starting shit related to MSCORP? Why?

(I'm not saying you deserve the trust spam, just asking why/if this is the case.)

He has a financial interest in Microsoft/Microsoft products. People selling Microsoft products at a discount will make it so the time he invested in becoming a Microsoft certified engineer potentially worth less

Yah, we discussused that in the other thread. I've removed Vod's ratings from my trust network because of this. I'm not interested in what the microsoft police consider good or bad. Too bad he's on default trust so microsoft is essentially moderating bitcoin deals Sad

You are right "personal compliant" should not be involved in this forum because everyone can give a negative trust to another users (that work for another "society") and this is not really "fair".

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 24, 2015, 09:59:45 AM

Quote from: tspacepilot on March 24, 2015, 08:17:14 AM

Quote from: FuckIdolPlus on March 23, 2015, 05:25:47 AM

I think that is untrusted feedback, it's all over Vod's profile too.
Vod deserved it, and you too kind of deserve some negative trust (for starting the flame regarding MSDN sales) Roll Eyes

But this is not the way how this should happen.
This is totally wrong. Admins would surely remove it

I got into it a little bit with Vod yesterday because I also don't understand how/why MSCORP intellectual property has anything to do with the bitcoinforum or why he's going around neg-repping anyone who deals with this stuff. Why are people on default trust acting as MSCORP representatives I can't understand.

FuckIdolPlus, are you starting shit related to MSCORP? Why?

(I'm not saying you deserve the trust spam, just asking why/if this is the case.)

He has a financial interest in Microsoft/Microsoft products. People selling Microsoft products at a discount will make it so the time he invested in becoming a Microsoft certified engineer potentially worth less

Yah, we discussused that in the other thread. I've removed Vod's ratings from my trust network because of this. I'm not interested in what the microsoft police consider good or bad. Too bad he's on default trust so microsoft is essentially moderating bitcoin deals Sad

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Quote from: tspacepilot on March 24, 2015, 08:17:14 AM

Quote from: FuckIdolPlus on March 23, 2015, 05:25:47 AM

I think that is untrusted feedback, it's all over Vod's profile too.
Vod deserved it, and you too kind of deserve some negative trust (for starting the flame regarding MSDN sales) Roll Eyes

But this is not the way how this should happen.
This is totally wrong. Admins would surely remove it

I got into it a little bit with Vod yesterday because I also don't understand how/why MSCORP intellectual property has anything to do with the bitcoinforum or why he's going around neg-repping anyone who deals with this stuff. Why are people on default trust acting as MSCORP representatives I can't understand.

FuckIdolPlus, are you starting shit related to MSCORP? Why?

(I'm not saying you deserve the trust spam, just asking why/if this is the case.)

He has a financial interest in Microsoft/Microsoft products. People selling Microsoft products at a discount will make it so the time he invested in becoming a Microsoft certified engineer potentially worth less

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I was told earlier by a member that creating multiple accounts is allowed and giving negative or positive feedback also via those accounts is allowed. Trust isn't moderated and so I don't think it can be removed and most members don't take it seriously if it appears spammy but you have got negative feedback by so many users for different reasons and some look valid "Never dealed with this person , Giving bad feedbacks , he should mind his own bussiness." "I Never deal with you, why do you leave "Negative feedback" for me?"

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Quote from: FuckIdolPlus on March 23, 2015, 05:25:47 AM

I think that is untrusted feedback, it's all over Vod's profile too.
Vod deserved it, and you too kind of deserve some negative trust (for starting the flame regarding MSDN sales) Roll Eyes

But this is not the way how this should happen.
This is totally wrong. Admins would surely remove it

I got into it a little bit with Vod yesterday because I also don't understand how/why MSCORP intellectual property has anything to do with the bitcoinforum or why he's going around neg-repping anyone who deals with this stuff. Why are people on default trust acting as MSCORP representatives I can't understand.

FuckIdolPlus, are you starting shit related to MSCORP? Why?

(I'm not saying you deserve the trust spam, just asking why/if this is the case.)

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Quote from: qwer312 on March 24, 2015, 07:39:10 AM

Quote from: Mt. Gox on March 24, 2015, 07:01:04 AM

Does it really matter? Everyone in this thread including the OP is just making mountains out of molehills. If whoever sends you trust is not in the default trust list then it doesn't make a single iota of difference because nobody will pay any attention to it at all. Gavin Andresen has negative trust. Theymos has negative trust. Even SATOSHI has negative trust.

some other people will never know that those trust is not true at all and some will see that and will believe those

I agree with this statement which is what pisses me off. I take care of my customers and always provide great support on any product I sell to avoid negative trust. I sell things as a side thing but its not my main reason for being on this board unlike most other MSDN key sellers. So its not like when I stop selling these keys I will disappear. I will still be active on btctalk and that trust will stay. If I somehow scammed OP or broke the rules of btctalk then the negative trust would be appropriate but for what I did its ridiculous and undeserved. I dont false advertise the keys at all.

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Quote from: Mt. Gox on March 24, 2015, 07:01:04 AM

Does it really matter? Everyone in this thread including the OP is just making mountains out of molehills. If whoever sends you trust is not in the default trust list then it doesn't make a single iota of difference because nobody will pay any attention to it at all. Gavin Andresen has negative trust. Theymos has negative trust. Even SATOSHI has negative trust.

some other people will never know that those trust is not true at all and some will see that and will believe those

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Does it really matter? Everyone in this thread including the OP is just making mountains out of molehills. If whoever sends you trust is not in the default trust list then it doesn't make a single iota of difference because nobody will pay any attention to it at all. Gavin Andresen has negative trust. Theymos has negative trust. Even SATOSHI has negative trust.

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Quote from: ABitNut on March 23, 2015, 05:12:44 AM

I guess I stepped on someone's toes enough to warrant some old-fashioned trust spamming! Someone actually went through the effort to create several accounts only to give some negative feedback to me.

I'm flattered, impressed and disappointed at the same time.

Really? You decide to negative trust spam all users selling anything you think is bad. I have been selling MSDN keys since december and have no unresolved complaints. I have been selling products on this forum for a long time and never had a problem (longer than your account existed). I can assure you the negative trust I left you is because you have no reason to leave me negative trust for something so ridiculous. I never dealt with you and I advertise my products exactly how they are. I dont say they are not MSDN keys when they are. GO through the digital goods section and I bet you 80% of the stuff would not meet your approval does not mean they are not allowed on this forum.

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Quote from: CrackedLogic on March 23, 2015, 11:02:07 AM

Wow, you must of really pissed him off. 30 false negative feedbacks Undecided

. Behavior like this makes me reconsider of trading on the forums.

The effort that he put into making all these 30 accounts and leaving trust on each single account. Thats just childish. Do we have any facts on what potential scammed happen yet? Or is it just complete random trust attack.

Nothing of solid evidence yet, all that I know is that the MSDN seller could be the root of all these accounts. I wouldn't call it a random trust attack as it only happen after the debate between Vod and FuckIdolPlus.

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Quote from: CrackedLogic on March 23, 2015, 11:02:07 AM

Wow, you must of really pissed him off. 30 false negative feedbacks Undecided

. Behavior like this makes me reconsider of trading on the forums.

The effort that he put into making all these 30 accounts and leaving trust on each single account. Thats just childish. Do we have any facts on what potential scammed happen yet? Or is it just complete random trust attack.

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Wow, you must of really pissed him off. 30 false negative feedbacks Undecided

. Behavior like this makes me reconsider of trading on the forums.

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Yea even though the usernames are not the same it is clearly scamming. What did you do that make him mad though? I doubt that he would be doing this just for fun or a personal grudge. Is there and evidence of scamming?

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Quote from: ABitNut on March 23, 2015, 05:12:44 AM

I guess I stepped on someone's toes enough to warrant some old-fashioned trust spamming! Someone actually went through the effort to create several accounts only to give some negative feedback to me.

I'm flattered, impressed and disappointed at the same time.

13 fake accounts created for me! Cheesy

I'm going through them all and flagging them as fake accounts, since they are using existing usernames and just adding a "-1" to it.

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Quote from: qwer312 on March 23, 2015, 07:30:06 AM

should admins disable leaving trust from newbies to avoid this kind of case?

It will not stop this problem, they will wait until all the account turn in jr. member and they start again to spam your trust page. It seems there is not a valid solution, and the troll/spammer will return always here in the forum.

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There's a lot of bans that may be useful, but the forum doesn't have the man power or time to keep up with it all. It also doesn't change the fact they can just create new accounts and do the same thing.

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