Topic: Trust system abuse, i bought this account because the rules allow it. (Read 861 times)

Forum rules and trust system are two different things and this is proved by the fact that accounts which are bought and sold haven't been banned. DT trust is a totally different thing and they don't want users to sell their reputation for few bucks as this encourages scamming. Selling your account is as good as selling your ID proof and letting it be used for illegal purposes.

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Till now I didn't know if selling account is allowed here. But it looks like it is allowed. But it is clearly mentioned.
So why you decided to buy an account?

Giving such excuses will not work here. Everyone has the almost the same problem and if everyone starts giving the same excuse and starts buying the account then this forum will be nothing else than HELL.

You should talk with Steamtyme first if you have a proper explanation then I think he may remove Negative rating and Put Neutral rating.

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And your life is not over just because someone tagged you with Negative ratings. There were few sign campaigns which allow users with Negative ratings.

You do not really care about any of that do you mikeywith?  else you would be upholding your strict standards equally to all members?

Is an observable liar and scammer trustworthy? NO.  But we do not witness you doing anything about it other than telling people to stop going on about it all and just let it slide under the carpet. Stop fighting them you say. Just let them get away with it. You seem to only stand up to people you perceive to have less power than you. That is weak.

What about when you said if anyone had advertised their account for sale they would be red tagged. Then you went back on it, and did not tag them when evidence was presented. This person even said in 2014 account sales are EVIL and that they are deliberately enabling scammers to scam. Then decided to sell their own account in 2016 not giving one shit about that.  This person is far worse that the person you are arguing with now. Double standards.

This time limit bullshit does not stand. If you are untrustworthy you are untrustworthy. By his own admission no less. I say admission he was demanding others were EVIL for doing the same as he went and done. What do you make of that??

Start letting us witness some of your "words" in "actions" because as yet you are appearing almost untrustworthy. If we can not believe you will take the actions you are advocating then why should we believe anything that you say?

You want to appear honest and just. However, we can observe those are just words. Your actions do not follow that which you state.

Think on this and make some changes. I understand you are afraid of some other DT and merit source gang members but you need not be. Their time is coming to an end.

i am trying to find a proper explanation that fits in your IQ level but i can't find any, building your own reputation vs buying someone else's are two completely different things,  the second one means one of two things.

1- you got caught with your pants down trying to scam someone using your original account which is now useless and/or simply want to hide your scammy attitude behind a more trustworthy account.

2- you are simply a "lazy piece of shit" who wants to buy success rather than earning it

if it's the first one, then you deserve the tag, if it's the second one, then it only makes you an unfortunate "lazy piece of shit"

buying someone else's identity is malicious, it's like using someone else's passport or ID, if you think that is fine in terms of trustworthiness then you should see a doctor.

What nonsense are you talking about ?

You don't need to be a clairvoyant when seeing somebody scammed somebody else to know he is a scammer.
Also there are no campaigns which allow scams.The dumbest what i ever heard.

In your theory we should ban all members of bitcointalk since everyone of them owns an account which they could use to scam somebody else.
We ban all members from bitcointalk to prevent scams from bitcointalk.

Some campaigns don't prohibit scam as well, in fact the forum itself doesn't, you can scam a 100 people and prove it, and probably non of the mods will take actions against you, so based on your theory proven scammers should not be tagged as well.

Some campaigns allow alts so why would it be instantly called scam ?Are you a clairvoyant ?

in many countries, carrying a knife around the park does not go against the country's rules, you can do it, but it would be stupid to think that people will come any where near you, you should also expect normal citizens to be paranoid and probably try to do something to stop a potential harm coming from you.

I have not tagged a single user for buying/selling account, but i sure see nothing wrong about it, since it's only fair that the majority of account buyers plan to conduct scam, despite being unfair to some members , i think it's only fair to tag those accounts once solid proofs have been presented.

How can it be deserved when a) the forum rules say you are allowed to buy account and the word discourage means

cause (someone) to lose confidence or enthusiasm.
"tedious regulations could discourage investors"
synonyms:   dishearten, dispirit, demoralize, make despondent, make downhearted, cast down, depress, disappoint, dampen someone's hopes, dash someone's hopes, cause to lose heart; More
prevent or try to prevent (something) by showing disapproval or creating difficulties.
"the plan is designed to discourage the use of private cars"
synonyms:   prevent, stop, put a stop to, avert, fend off, stave off, ward off; More
persuade (someone) against an action.
"we want to discourage children from smoking"
synonyms:   deter, dissuade, disincline, turn aside; More


Do you see any info on the forum rules that whe buying an account will lead to get your account destroyed ?
Discourage means to try someone to not do it like not smoking but everyone needs to decide themself.But it clearly doesnt mean when you smoke you get destroyed.

He choosed to buy the account for the signature campaign.If it were spammy or quality posts you don't know.Its just an assumption which leads to mistakes and drama.

But if you claim increasing posts for money (even quality one) is an abuse why don't you red tagg thepahamacist who flooded with his alt stupid posts to increase his payment which he openly admitted ?

Why are you not there activ ?Because he changed ?You gave him a chance but you won't give OP a chance and even destroy his main account ?

Buying an account with the sole purpose of joining a signature campaign and (most likely) spam this forum with nonsense is well deserved of a neg. All imo ofc.

I think you need to reconsider tagging nutildah.

read this and then tell me WHY you think he is trustworthy and not deserving of a tag

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50719875

Qs- well i would say it accomplished one thing the account was believed to have switched hands 4 or more times. Stated by the current owner; it won't be doing that anymore.

You're right that anyone engaging in this behaviour will need to go to greater lengths to avoid detection. It's the same for anyone trying to circumvent  "rules" or expectations. This does however make it less desirable to hack accounts for the purpose of selling them; which i would say is a net positive.

This member only contacted the seller for the required account recovery proof when they thought they may need to go through that process. Tells me that this may have come from an account farmer or someone who buys and sells a lot of accounts. Maybe this person now goes and spreads the word of how easily you can lose your investment and that maybe this forum isn't some cash cow to be milked. I would also consider thai a net positive.

I never intend to provide a false sense of security. Dealing over the internet one should not feel "safe" it leads to poor decisions. Anyone i've made feel that way through my actions should continue to research on their own; my feedback is for me and those that see value in it. Atriz was a fucked up situation but I'm not completely familiar with their past before the scammy bounty issue; nor am i concerned with that right now. They have sufficient warnings associated with them.

To your final point no one knows what OP would have done apart from spam the forum for money, and contribute nothing in the process. Spending 200 while supposedly broke and unable to feed 3 kids seems unlikely to me. So no one knows what they would have really done. Either way they can chose to participate in this forum, all i did was take away the guarantee of easy yobit money, which would have gotten them a ban anyways.

-Thule 
Tag them if you want. I see it as a service to the community and am thankful for how that was handled. The account is currently held in trust, not sold. I can't recall all the details but i believe suchmoon gave Bruno a donation/loan and then asked to lock the account by changing the password. All done to prevent the account being sold. It was done transparently as well. I also believe that all of Bruno's accounts were tagged.

On mobile replies are going to be sporadic.

So we should start tagging suchmoon for buying the account from Bruno,or Bruno for trying to sell his legandary account ?
How does it come they didn't tagged him ?

Every account seller and  buyer should be tagged and there is nothing wrong here, the wrong thing is when DT continue to give negatives even when you have proved that you have abandoned all bought accounts and use only one. This shows the non good will of DT members and that is the reason many members are leaving, even good members, no one cares about a spammer but this forum is like a tomb where I only read DT members replying to each other. Probably this was not what Satoshi designed this forum for in the first place.

And yet he went on to post useless drivel for Yobit. This nonsense that you keep repeating about the cost of the account being a guarantee against shitposting is not working. These assholes buy accounts because they're shitposters and are unable to rank-up on their own. Of course they're gonna shitpost and hope that mods won't notice them or won't consider their garbage bad enough for a ban.

So how does it come you didn't have tagged thephamacist who posted tons of racist shitposts for money ?He openly admitted doing so for money.
How does it come he has no red tagg from you since he was clearly using an alt account and would never admit it wouldn't he catched by another member doing so ?


You say beh to one user for doing so but don't say beh to a DT member who did the same ?

You are clearly pathethic which i could already see on your given trust feedbacks.

Nutildah the hypocritical scam facilitator in his own words wants me to believe what he is telling me now to defend his own skin? this person would obviously say or do anything for some btc crumbs. Yeah my opinion changed when I wanted to sell my own account. Oh really now?

Lauda just gets more flagrant about his double standards.

This openly demonstrates the deep problems the trust system has. We have those NOTILDAH OR NUTILDAH that knowingly wish to increase the probability of people getting scammed by selling their account... after stating selling accounts leaves people more vulnerable to getting scammed and wanting others red trusted for selling their accounts.

Then we have those even worse like  LAUDA who will tell lies to scam people, and is a probable extortionist and trust abuser who says NO OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE that can be presented will cause him to red tag his hypocritical scam enabling pal.

However he will tag you for presenting observable events from his own past.

The DT crew. Dirty Turds 1.

Fact that the OP left/decided to leave the forum is another sign that they bought the account only to spam the forum for some quick bucks.
If they wanted to take part in the YoShit campaign (however scammy that may sound) they could have used their own account to do so - it does not take much to be a contributory member of the forum and posting for the signature at the same time.

Liberalism speaking for them should drown themselves in more mind-altering drugs if they think buying accounts is something good for the forum after it had been considered as untrustworthy. Kids these days forget about the hard work their elders did for them and that they also need to go through the same if they wish to attain the top ranks of this forum.

Stubbornness at its peak in this thread, people keep forgetting that unfair means to something big are considered as cheating. Yet they will consider themselves as abused when punished for the same. MEH.

He just proofed my case.Checking the rules which clearly states that buying accounts are allowed.
You are creating yourself the conflict with that rule.
Anybody who wants to stick to the rules and check them may be a victim to your shit.
He bought it thinking its allowed.He was not aware its will lead into getting his account destroyed.
Would he know it i would bet he wouldn't have bought it in the first place because why else would he check forum rules before buying.
The working its allowed but discouraged doesn't describe that he will get punished for doing so.Why should somebody get punished for something which is allowed ?


And to the other members whoo tagged him enjoying to destroy his account they always have double standards or how else can you explain that they don't tagg proofen sellers and buyers or even sold accounts from their buddies like bruno or suchmoon.
How does it come that suchmoon was able to buy openly an account and that account is not being tagged as sold ?
There are so many examples its just disgusting.

At least i'm pretty sure theymos will soon remove the DT rating shit seeing how legit peoples account get destroyed who just try to follow the forum rules and make some money.

The disgusting part of these fucking losers is they claim they only care about the quality of that forum where in reality they only care about their earnings.Would they have no benefit you can trust me they all would be long time gone.