Topic: 【Truth or FUD???】DarkCoin – The Next Big Thing, or Just Another Pump and Dump? - page 6. (Read 15511 times)

Looking at your previous post, I think you are lying by saying "you dont care about DRK one way or the other".
You are a DRK holder, arent you?

The whole crypto coin world should think seriously about the current situation of DRK, it has too much negative effects in the shadows, and now it is being revealed by the community.

Those who defend DRK here have a lot postings in DRK community, you know what that means.

To ozziecoin, make sure your points stand when you try to argue, otherwise people do not trust you.

is the anonymous transaction ever possible? and when do you think Bitcoin would have this implement or addon?

Well now that's not what I said at all, is it?  You stated that indications were pointing more and more to the fact that Darksend is "substance-less vaporware", which I found odd in that the status of its code availability hasn't changed from the beginning.  Which indications, exactly?  Has it somehow become "more" closed source since the beginning?

You said yourself that alt-coin land is a hive of scum and villainy (or something like that).  What, exactly, do you think would have happened if Darksend had ben open source since day 1?  Also, why must everything good (in your estimation, it would seem) come through Bitcoin?

The safe assumption...sure, I'll buy that.  But there is such a thing as a totality of the circumstances.

we have to talk to satoshi nakamoto about this.

1.7mn DRKs had a cost of 42.5 BTC in january.

You are applying retroactive logic (current valuation to the circumstances of the past) of the kind "oh those idiots who bought the 10.000 BTC pizza, now would be millionaires". Yeah, well, nobody knew. Same with DRK... 100k DRKs = 2.5 BTC. In some cases even 2 BTC.


All pow/pos coins are instamined since future miners cannot mine them at all. Contrast this to DRK where 2 were instamined and another 20 could be mined later. Which is fairer to late miners? The one where you have to buy it from the bagholders (no mining possible), or the one that you can actually mine it too? It's hypocritical to argue about fairness to late miners when you are supporting any pow/pos 100% instamined hybrid.


Most miners use linux.

Things can be unfair or a bad deal, or simply a failed offering without being a scam.  I too might too easily lapse into the language of "scam" around here, — and there is no shortage of actual ill motivation in the altcoin space— but I do think more of it is really people getting in over their heads.  Cryptosystem work is very difficult, and Bitcoin seems to have resulted in people thinking that creating this stuff is no big deal since they can just copy the code... but in a cryptosystem the details matter, greatly... a single line changed can have subtle effects that ruin the security properties completely.

Hm?  Thats pretty weird, considering that I've said nothing positive about Bitcoin here, and only positive things about cryptocoins (and proposed cryptocoins) that I have had basically nothing to do with.

I don't care about DRK one way or the other, but this thread is quickly leaving me with the impression gmaxwell is just another coin developer who feels his particular coin is the One True Coin, and so he slams all others.  

I think the thread speaks for itself. I'm leaving now. gmaxwell, good luck to you mate. I've never seen a more "determined" person. You have certainly covered yourself in glory today.

Now it is very clear, you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

How could you justify this. There is 1.7 million coins premined, at an average price of 0.001 btc, that would be 1700 btc. If he sells half of it, it will be 850 btc.
You are just talking bare lies that 1700 btc or 850 btc is bare zero money.

A question comes, ozziocoin, who are you, how do you know the developer of DRK make bare zero money? I suppose you have some possibility to be the developer.

Also, you are talking the PoW/PoS coins such as Cinni have very short PoW time as "instantmined", however, do you understand what is instantmined? Instantmine is defined as at the early stage of PoW stage of a coin, the mined coins accounts for a large amount of the total PoW stage. DO NOT LINK your instantmined DRK with us, ok?

Now it is very clear, DRK is instantmined by a single person before others could use the qt and miner. Because the developer hold 40% of coins, he is trying to do whatever he want.

I would also trust gmaxwell, because he has pointed out the clear scam. Please don/t try to hide anymore.

There is very little technology development in the altcoin space... but there sure is a lot of deceptive hype from people eager to separate people from their money, no surprise when many of the people creating altcoins hardly know how to work a compiler. Most of the time when there are non-strings changes at all, it's just another worthless ill-considered proof of work variant that hasn't seen a drop of peer review (and which is compromised, e.g. failing to meet its "cpu only" promises, the moment someone does review it). In the rare event that there is interesting technological development that I'm aware of— I credit it— which is why I brought up the bytecoin&forks in the context of privacy technology, even though I think creating an altcoin for it is not a good idea and I'm not involved with its development.

I review many interesting looking things as I have time available, but only if they are open source. I am uninterested in handling anyone's private code, however.

It's getting a little late. This system was created month and months ago, but there is still nothing for me to look at... and now aggressive promoters are spilling into other threads and degrading other efforts that are already delivering or are at least out in the open.  I hope you can understand how this creates a very negative impression from my position.

it's not fud when it's true.

Ok Greg, this thread has your attention, good.

Darkcoin is open source except for the anonymity for now. https://github.com/darkcoinproject/darkcoin/commits/forkfix
Look in the altcoin section. Notice the flavor of the month? This is because of Darkcoin. If it was open sourced from the get go, it would never stand a chance.

When Darkcoin is completed, it will be vetted by a respected Developer and if no issues are found open sourced.
You created coinjoin. Darkcoin is created from coinjoin. Would you be interested in vetting the code? 

keep pumping and pumping...because Dark dev team have controled most of the darkcoins now...

they can even sell them at the price 1 Drk= 1BTC.....and they will buy at this price by themself, and attract some new comer buy at that price...

 

Thanks for your attention. See, I think you're just an arrogant dude who thinks that all altcoins are pumps and dumps. This is not something deficient with respect to altcoins but rather your attitude because the altcoin space is the boiler room for tech improvements that the bitcoin team are unwilling or unable to develop.

I can't figure out what you're saying here. Is the idea that I can't say anything at all about something thats closed?

Thats not my position at all. My position is that that a closed source cryptographic currency is inherently centralized (via control of the source), and that experience suggests that most such systems are snake oil (they don't deliver the things they claim to) if not being outright trojans.  Indeed, you can't tell— maybe it's actually great, but great things usually don't need to hide in the shadows. The safe assumption is that they're not great at all.

I've never been involved in Bitcoin to make a profit. If I add up the tips and such I've received for hard technical work I've done it would be well below minimum wage. I've been involved a long time— since before it was worth much of anything, and seemed like an insane dream that it ever would be— because the technology is interesting and important. I've also sold most of my Bitcoins since long ago— was never looking to win the lottery. And yes, I feel completely comfortable looking down my nose at people who showed up late rabid with dreams of effortless profit, at least when they go around promoting zero-sum trades to enrich themselves— not pointing any particular fingers here... I assume the people I'm talking about know who they are.

I'd do mostly what I did anyways— say nothing and see if anything interesting happened. I only piped up recently because of what I perceive to be misinformed heavy handed promotional efforts spilling out into threads where they are off-topic.

Sounds nice... for the few who got on the BTC train early. Sounds like profit motives, incredibly sleazy.



Out of curiosity, if they never mentioned your name at all, what would've you demanded then?

I think you're jumping to conclusions and judging everyone. In the case of Darkcoin, the devs barely made much money for 4 months. Then they provided a tech solution that the market needed because privacy was not being implemented in bitcoin; hence why the coin value jumped. To imply that this is a pump and dump - frankly, that stuff should be beneath you.  I for one did not buy darkcoin to pump it up. I do however believe it is fundamentally more valuable than bitcoin and litecoin because it appears to my eyes to have a functioning privacy layer, which is sadly lacking in the other coins.

There is some profit, but it's still FUD. Would never invest in altcoins like these. You can have them

No, in fact I already previously _demanded_ they stop promoting it with my name, which they were doing initially.
Yes, you came and trolled all over the CoinJoin thread in a desperate attempt to convince people of your untrue comparative claims wrt darkcoin. While I'm normally content to more or less ignore this hive of scum and villainy that is the altcoin subforum, when it spills over and interrupts discussion elsewhere, pinging my email with report-to-mod hits, it gets my attention.  So… you have my attention now. Lucky you.