Turkey will not apologise for shooting down Russian jet

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Quote from: troleybüs on December 07, 2015, 08:27:14 PM

Anybody who think Erdogan (the puppet) and Davutoglu (puppet of the puppet) can take a decision like this without the knowledge of America is so naive that I can make their girl pregnant and they don't even know it.
Of course they won't apologize for this decision.

The Russians have already hinted that the Americans might have leaked the flight path of the Su-24 to the Turks. Else, how could they take out the fighter jet, which was inside the Turkish airspace (by their own claims) for just 5 or 6 seconds? BTW... I know that you are from Turkey. Tell us about the public opinion there, regarding this incident.

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I think it was an ambush and probably was planned weeks before it happened. In fact I saw a leak from October from some Turkish twitter guy suggesting that Turkey was planning such an ambush. He seems to be a Deep Throat around some circles. Maybe it´s disinfo but it seemed interesting.

Israel Shamir had this stuff, if you haven´t read his material I suggest you start.

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Quote from: BTCBinary on December 04, 2015, 09:12:02 AM

Yep. And this is getting pretty worrying because Turkey is a part of NATO. This could take is directly to an open 3rd world war. And I don't see what was the point of Turkey taking down the Russian plane unless they are really lookingf for trouble...

Anybody who think Erdogan (the puppet) and Davutoglu (puppet of the puppet) can take a decision like this without the knowledge of America is so naive that I can make their girl pregnant and they don't even know it.
Of course they won't apologize for this decision.

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Quote from: BTCBinary on December 04, 2015, 09:12:02 AM

Yep. And this is getting pretty worrying because Turkey is a part of NATO. This could take is directly to an open 3rd world war. And I don't see what was the point of Turkey taking down the Russian plane unless they are really lookingf for trouble...

Russia is claiming that it was the Americans who leaked the flight path of the Su-24 to the Turks. If that was the case, then it seems to me that the Turks shot down the plane, after getting orders to do so from the Americans. The Americans just used the Turks to do some dirty work on their behalf. After all, it is not just the Turks who are benefiting out of the ISIS oil trade.

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Yep. And this is getting pretty worrying because Turkey is a part of NATO. This could take is directly to an open 3rd world war. And I don't see what was the point of Turkey taking down the Russian plane unless they are really lookingf for trouble...

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It´s moot points patrolman. The Turks belong to our team and therefore are like us exempt from all accountability.

Our team can run roughshod over anyone, anywhere as it pleases and doesn´t need to waste a single thought on any consequences, well apart from the occasional blowback. But that doesn´t have to do with us destroying countries and killing and maiming millions and displacing even more, it´s just some crazed muzzies that hate our freedoms. We´ll just have a brief emotional porn binge and then go back to bombing. Anyway; a hundred victims here and there in our cities is a small price to pay for soaring war industry shares.

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Here are a few interesting articles which are at odds with Turkey's version of events:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/17-seconds-changed-world-leaked-letter-exposes-turkeys-hair-trigger-reality

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/12/01/an-experienced-pilot-explains-stall-speed/

A few key points:

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“both planes, at an altitude of 19,000 feet, violated Turkish national airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds from 9:24:05 local time."

"according to those numbers, the Su-24 would have had to be flying at stall speed."

The Su-24's max speed is 1,320 km/hour.

So if we assume the Su-24 was actually going much faster, was 17 seconds more like 5 seconds? Or perhaps even less?

17 seconds is hardly enough time for there to been any significant discussion about the air space violation, so the plane must have been either shot down in Syrian air space or without sufficient verbal communication to defuse the situation.

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Hmm, this is strange...

Meanwhile the US Secretary of State John Kerry said Syrian and Arab ground forces must be found to take on the jihadist group. “Without the ability to find some ground forces that are prepared to take on Daesh, this will not be won completely from the air,” he said.

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But General Pigfinder, London´s chief warmonger, stated emphatically the other day that there were 70,000 of them ready and willing to support his war effort. I'm surprised Mr. Kerry didn't already know of them, usually the relationship of these people is about as tight as that of an ass and the boil on it.

Or maybe they forgot to coordinate their stories, happens all the time even to the best of criminals.

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In an American turkey shoot, the turkey loses. Grin

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"Stop that nonsense or we'll create new strait on the place of Istanbul"

Hahaha, pretty persuasive. I guess the Turks won´t try that one again. Grin

Well, NATO premier personalities are nuts for sure but I doubt that they´re nuts enough to let this Erdogan guy run around much longer. I think they have something in the works to get rid of him and his gang, probably through a coup by the Turkish military. Maybe he´ll end up in a garbage dumpster in Ukraine, joining other refuse that NATO has dumped there.

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Quote from: galdur on December 02, 2015, 11:51:04 AM

So, what´s next? Turkey will block the Bosphorus for Russian traffic?

Won't work at all because that would be an open declaration of war. They've tried this against USSR, defence minister said then "Stop that nonsense or we'll create new strait on the place of Istanbul". And they stopped a blockade of Bosphorus immediately.

Quote from: galdur on December 02, 2015, 11:51:04 AM

Russia could turn off the gas in retaliation which would probably soon lead to an Erdogan "government in exile" in London or some other favorite shelter for favored criminals.

Turning off the gas flow is not an option yet, current pretext isn't enough for breaking the contract.

Quote from: galdur on December 02, 2015, 11:51:04 AM

soon lead to an Erdogan "government in exile" in London or some other favorite shelter for favored criminals.

This will happen even without that. Erdogan is currently acting exactly like Yanukovich, he's doing everything to be overthrown. Probably, because he wants to drop this business, leaving the dirty incomings untouched. I'm pretty sure he have made enough money for the rest of life.

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So, what´s next? Turkey will block the Bosphorus for Russian traffic? I´m sure that as usual NATO nutbags don´t give a hoot about international law unless it suits their interests so they´d back Turkey on that. Russia could turn off the gas in retaliation which would probably soon lead to an Erdogan "government in exile" in London or some other favorite shelter for favored criminals.

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Quote from: apollofire on December 02, 2015, 08:16:37 AM

Turkey do have the rights to defend their airspace

Nobody has the right to ignore standard interception procedure under pretext of "defending airspace". Please learn the subject before repeating baseless propaganda. Wink

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13112138

Quote from: apollofire on December 02, 2015, 08:16:37 AM

but they are part of NATO. They have to be united

Article 5 is a non-binding agreement. They don't have to be united, it's just a proposal. That's the reason why US has all these military bases located in the NATO countries. They won't need military bases if article 5 would be a binding agreement.

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Turkey do have the rights to defend their airspace but they are part of NATO. They have to be united but instead they are fighting with each other. Thats very sad

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Just seen the press conference... A lot of satellite images, drone footages of oil trucks and so on... And yes, they've finally said that.

"We know that he won't resign even if his face will be poured with stolen oil. Although Erdogan must go, his resignation is not our priority."

Well, it seems that nobody is waiting for apologies, another "democratic coup" is on the way... Not a US-staged one.

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Quote from: Blackwindow on December 01, 2015, 06:39:06 PM

erdogan never do apologize for this.they need to do apologize also but we didnt want to do it. Putin wants to threaten with sanctions turkey. but they will lose us in the area soon. turkish people and govement always looks a friend country russia. but putin will change this idea in turkish people mind. (sorry for bad english my 3. languages.)

Erdogan must go...he's worn out his welcome with moderate and reasonable and BRAVE Turks. Turkey used to be an important ally....with this pinhead, Turkey has become an ally of ISIS. Turkey will go nowhere but downhill with this Muslim terrorist. Hang 'em!!!

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Quote from: ngocdhbk2 on December 02, 2015, 07:12:44 AM

Turkey is playing dangerous game by continuing to poke bear.

In any event they gave the Russians the perfect opportunity to bring those S-400 systems into Syria. Absent the downing of the plane, imagine the uproar such a move would have caused with politicians in the west and idiots posting on countless internet message boards. Not to mention the presstitutes, hahahaha.

Great win for Russia.

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Turkey is playing dangerous game by continuing to poke bear.

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British Nutballs Hameron and Hammond to probably join the fracas in Syria. Now I´m starting to get a bit worried. The fewer NATO crazies there the better for world peace as far as I´m concerned.

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https://www.rt.com/news/324189-defense-ministry-briefing-terrorism/

20 minutes left before the beginning of MoD press conference.

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