Topic: [Tutorial] How To Mix bitcoin free (Read 913 times)

There is new mixer Whirlwind.money available now offering similar donation based fees, and they are active here in forum:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-whirlwindmoney-no-fee-ultimate-privacy-anonymity-mining-12-apr-5446575

PS
I am not recommending using this or any other mixer services, so do your own research!

Sorry for pumping old thread.

Any option for free mixing? due chipmixer is over.

This is true, and has been the topic of lengthy discussions on this forum regarding open and closed source wallets. At the end of the day, if you unable to review the code yourself, then unfortunately it does come down to trust. However, with a closed source project you are trusting the small team or sometimes individual developer who is maintaining the project. With an open source project, at least you know there are many independent pairs of eyes on the code. For a project as popular and widespread as Tor, you can be relatively confident that malicious code would not make its way in to the browser, or at least not without someone alerting the community and widespread outrage.

the problem is not many people know how to check, and the meaning of open source self. Sure, we will be very comfortable if hear the application is open source, but many of them including me don't know how to check the code even shown on GitHub. I don't know what the inject code of maliciously programmed.

I decide to test this feature on my VM. As i expected, not all characteristic is randomized. Brave still send true resolution of the VM screen and time zone of the VM (not UTC). Besides. Brave also make these statement,

It would be possible for any browser to be able to steal a private key or session token if it were maliciously programmed to do so, but given that Brave and Tor are both open source, then the chances of the necessary code making it in to the release builds is incredibly small. The risk of using Brave is not a security one, but rather a privacy one.

I have left chips on ChipMixer for months before withdrawing them, all without issue. The risk of doing so is not via a malicious browser stealing your session but rather of something happening to ChipMixer. If your browser was going to steal your session, it would do so when you access the session, meaning the period of time you leave the coins on ChipMixer is irrelevant for such an attack.

is it possible Brave can take the detail like the private key? i have tried about 3 times using TOR browser and the last one I leave about 1 hour didn't withdraw it and is still intact when put it on electrum. if we have to use Brave due to certain conditions, we better not leave it too long after 1 confirmation.

Can't you see a little icon showing up in right side of address bar in Brave browser?
You click on that icon and new Tor window opens up with Chipmixer or any other onion website.
However, I said before that I am not recommending that to be used as Tor daily driver.



I think you might be wrong about that, and you need to do more research about this, because brave is randomizing fingerprints each time.
I am not sure how this works on their Tor window, and I am not endorsing Brave browser in any way, just correcting what you said.

It's not going to work in a normal session, meaning you can't open a new tab and insert a .onion link into Brave browser. You need to create a new private window with Tor.
You should be able to access it by clicking on the 3 lines in the top right corner. It allows you to add a new tab, open a new window, but you want to click on "new private window with Tor". 

I wouldn't recommend anyone uses Brave at all, but I definitely wouldn't recommend using it for anything sensitive to do with either bitcoin or privacy. Despite their marketing, they are not a privacy browser. Brave accepts money from entities like Facebook and Twitter to allow them to track you. They accept money from ad companies to serve you their specific ads, which are of course tailored based on your browsing history and other information. They take money from Binance to inject Binance's code and widgets in to the browser, which again are used to track you. The last people I would want to be able to see me visiting any privacy site or using any privacy solution are the likes of Binance and Facebook.

Just use Tor. It takes 2 minutes to download and run.

How do you successfully access Chipmixer with Brave browser?

It seems it doesn't work for me I tried accessing the TOR links but this is the result.



Is there a need to change the Brave settings or something to make the .onion links accessible?

I would never do what you say to access Chipmixer, especially if newbie member is doing this.
It's not that hard to download and install Tor browser, but if that is not available you can always open the same onion link with Brave browser (fork of Chromium browser).
This should not be used as standard browser for mixing, but only as alternative option with less strict settings than Tor browser.

Even when ChipMixer used a clearnet site too, plenty of non-Tor users were targeted by phishing (and still are) from fake clearnet sites on Google and other search engines.

Sure, but if someone is going to be using ChipMixer, then they are not the average "I have nothing to hide so I share my entire life on Facebook" type person. They are, at least, marginally interested in taking their privacy seriously, and they can discover what Tor is with 30 seconds of reading at https://www.torproject.org/

And if someone Googles "chipmixer" they will also end up on phishing sites.

There is no way to prevent every possible avenue of user error. The chipmixer.com clearnet site makes it clear that you need the Tor browser to use ChipMixer.

That is sadly true. Someone who heard about onion links for the first time could look it up on a search engine to see what comes up. Since Google is the most widely used search engine, I will use that. "how to open onion links" shows an article suggesting to download and use TOR. So far so good. But if we look a little further down, we can learn how to access .onion sites without using TOR and how to do it with Chrome. That's where you get recommendations to use those alternative domains. Since people prefer the easy route, adding two or three characters to the end of a link is easier than downloading and installing a new internet browser. 

Honestly, I didn't even know that such a thing existed, and especially that such domains collect so much data about those who use them. Given that CM uses only the TOR link, those who use regular browsers could find themselves targeted by phishing from such domains. Unfortunately, the average internet user does not understand what TOR is compared to a classic browser, and privacy is a category that is somewhere very low on the list of priorities for many.

Never do this! In addition to what LeGaulois has said above in that you lose absolutely all your privacy, it is trivial for such a service to insert their own bitcoin deposit address or redirect you to their own malicious site and simply steal any bitcoin you deposit.

Downloading, verifying, and installing Tor is simple, quick, and free. There is no reason not to do it if you are interested in your privacy.

https://www.torproject.org/download/
https://support.torproject.org/tbb/how-to-verify-signature/

People should never use onion.ws onion.city, onion.direct, and any onion domain that doesn't end only with .onion

They're Tor2Web proxies and they can be very harmful if the person doesn't know how they work behind the scene.
They see everything, from the credentials you use, know the IP of the user, what you upload, and cookies, they track users via Google Analytics, and so on. I could talk about the DNS too.

it defeats the whole anonymity and a lot of links are malicious as well

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https://medium.com/@c5/tor2web-proxies-are-using-google-analytics-to-secretly-track-users-fd245dbc81c5

Like other said it's TOR link you can't just simply access it with normal browser you nedd to use TOR browser to access it but if you don't want to install TOR browser then you can access it with normal browser by adding .ws at the end of TOR url. I don't know if it is safe to use onion.ws but I hope someone can clear this here.



Like the other said reporting them will do nothing and if you report it to Google what they can do only is to remove it on their SERP and nothing else.

If you want to report them then check the domain whois if where it was hosted and try to take them down by contacting them.
Or you can report it to US-CERT and Anti-Phishing Working Group (APWG).

You can report the sites to Google to have them delisted, but this will achieve almost nothing. Firstly, Google are quite happy to accept money from proven scams to either run ads at the top of every page with those scams, or to bump those scams up their search results. Google don't care if you lose all your money to a scam you find via their search engine. All they care about is their profits. Secondly, even if you succeed in getting one of these scam sites delisted, it will be replaced by two more within 24 hours.

You could try taking Google to court, but their various Terms of Use are very explicit that they will in no way be held responsible for things you find via their search results. And they can afford much better lawyers than you can.

You should never use a search engine to find an important site, be that ChipMixer, a wallet, an exchange, a bank, or so on. And you should just stop using all Google products altogether. Follow Pmalek's advice above and find the true link from this forum.

Don't google ChipMixer. All the results lead to fake phishing sites. The only valid link is on position #4 (at least on my end) and shows the latest Bitcointalk forum posts of the user ChipMixer.

Bookmark the official website or memorize it and only access it that way. It will show you the correct onion link that you can use with the TOR browser. Theoretically, the official .com website can be targeted and even hacked, and maybe the official .onion link gets replaced with a fake one. It's a good idea to doublecheck if the .onion address is the same one as shown on ChipMixer's ANN page. That gives you a bit of extra security.   

There is too many scam site when I google it [chipmixer],
for example, this site
That site direct me to visit not as chipmixer official, they list similar with domain .pro
so, in this case, what can official do?. are they report it?
how to make a scammer don't create a similar one?
can we report google to court

ChipMixer have never made it a secret that you don't pay a set fee and only pay as much as you want for their service. They say as much on their ANN thread, and they also make it clear in the FAQs on their site. This is already well known throughout the community, and they clearly have a sufficient revenue stream given that they are the most popular and longest running bitcoin mixer in operation.

So no, I wouldn't worry about this thread.

There's something stuck in my mind, Is the tutorial thread make company loss?
because I teach how to make it free. if many know how to make it free, the company will lose the profit, or they already have another way how the money comes?.

Your session will initially be credited with the smallest number of chips which can make up your total. In your example, you will receive one 0.004 chip and one 0.002 chip. There is no 0.006 chip. You are free to split or combine those chips as many times you want before you withdraw them, though. You can choose to withdraw the 0.004 and the 0.002, you could split the 0.004 and withdraw three 0.002s, you could split them further in to 0.001s, you could then change your mind and combine them back up to a 0.004, and so on. You can store that 0.006 as a voucher, later deposit another 0.002 in a brand new session, and then import your voucher so you can combine your smaller chips in to a single 0.008 chip to minimize withdrawal fees.

You can do this process as many times as you want as long as you don't hit the button to withdraw a chip. Once you do, you will be given a private key for it on the next page and will no longer be able to split or combine it with other chips.

I still don't know the standard for how they split. example: if I send 0.006, how many splits do I get?, is there got 0.002 splits for 3x, or I get 0.004 and 0.002? or got a full 0.006? due to the many fees to transfer it back to my wallet I will happy to reduce a split.

If you immediately withdraw your "chips" from CM, you are reducing your privacy, because there is a small set of potential in/out pairs to/from CM that could potentially belong to you.

Although there is no evidence of this that I am aware of with regards to CM specifically, there is always the risk that any mixer you are using is tracking the input/output pairs of transactions to/from their service, and/or is a government honeypot. Even if this is not the case currently, there is the potential that government authorities could eventually seize the servers of any mixer and run it while tracking inputs/outputs.

I don't think I've misunderstood. My point is that strict regulations are exactly the reason why exchanges end up freezing accounts and seizing coins. This kind of behavior will not be decreased by stricter regulations. On the contrary, this kind of behavior is actively endorsed and promoted by governments. It is the governments passing down regulations which say all coins which haven't come from a KYC linked address or wallet are suspicious. Compare this to DEXs which are not bound by such regulations, and never freeze or seize coins or even have the ability to do so.

If the governments of the world get their way, then the only way to use bitcoin will be on a centralized exchange.

I understood but it seems you misunderstood my point by which I meant because of not too strict regulations in crypto, crypto exchanges feel like they can do shady activities against their users without fear to be fined by governments.

There are two sides always, stricter regulations will reduce scam exchanges but it will bring both advantages and disadvantages for cryptocurrency users.

When you open the website https://chipmixer.com/, there is listed the .onion address for the Chipmixer. Currently only uses the Tor network.

Apart from bookmarking the link, there are several other suggestions. They refer to their announcement thread link on Bitcointalk (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-chipmixercom-bitcoin-mixer-bitcoin-tumbler-mixing-reinvented-1935098). My advice, include the link as well because they announce updated information and links there too, e.g.:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60724300.

The regulations on the crypto industry are exactly the reason why centralized exchanges pull shady moves and freeze or suspend accounts - because they know the government is breathing down their neck at all times so they have to spy on all their users and freeze anything in the least bit suspicious. If you want even stricter regulations then expect even more accounts being frozen, not fewer.

Here's an analogy:

I am a merchant. You want to buy some things from me. You try to pay with cash. I say "I cannot see the full history of this cash, so I refuse your money". So instead, you tap your debit card. I say "I cannot accept this money without knowing the full history of it". I demand access to your bank account so I can see where all your money comes from. You leave and come back with your bank statements, but I don't like what I see, so I refuse payment. You then try to pay with PayPal. I demand access to your PayPal account so I can see where all your money comes from. You unlock your PayPal account on your phone and hand it over for me to look at. This PayPal money looks OK to me, so I accept it. You then leave the shop and start telling all your friends "Make sure when you shop there you have all your bank statements with you so the merchant can look at them, and make sure none of your money comes from anywhere except your employer, since they can't trace those funds." Your friends all look at you like you are crazy, and then simply choose to shop with the merchant next door who doesn't do any of this nonsense.

Whenever this situation comes up, with the discussion of centralized exchanges and privacy, it always seems that the default position is "Sacrifice all your privacy and let people spy on you so that you can use a centralized exchange". In any other financial situation that would be seen as utterly crazy, as I've just shown above, but for some reason with bitcoin people just accept this nonsense? The problem here is not mixers, or coinjoins, or Monero, or any other privacy technique - the problem here is centralized exchanges. If you don't want a centralized exchange to seize your coins, then don't use a centralized exchange. There are plenty of decentralized exchanges to choose from.

The logical position when faced with entities which are stealing coins is not "I should bend over backwards and sacrifice everything to hopefully mean they don't steal my coins!", but rather to simply not use the entity which is stealing coins.

I misremembered their meanings. Thank you. 

Regulations on crypto industry are still not strict enough and there are holes for exchanges to pull their shady cards to suspend, freeze user accounts. If you don't want to suddenly have unexpected accidental issues with your account (and money), just don't use mixers if you don't have solid reasons to use them.

Prevention is better than cure.

Good platforms will be transparent with their ToS and ToS updates but you won't have it from scam platforms. Before they scam, sometimes you don't have signals of their scam.

To avoid confusion from some people, you should add in your tutorial that different browser should be downloaded and installed for using onion links.
First option is Tor browser and alternative is using Brave browser that can open onion links in separate page.
To avoid getting scammed it's best to visit original Chipmixer.com website and bookmark both that and onion link posted on that page.

Even without stating the rules in ToS, it is what regulators wants, they will surely support the exchange from seizing a mixed coin, the exchange will ask for KYC which is mandatory, or the exchange will permanently freeze the account. It is better to just be careful, this is what I can not read about exchanges, they freeze coin while regulators supports that, be it in ToS or not, but I expect it to be included in ToS. I have noticed that coins from decentralized mixers are the ones that are often seized.

i.e. comes from the Latin id est, which means that is, or meaning, or in other words 
So maybe you want to change from ie to eg (which means for example)

I did not imply only. I wrote ie. but your point is true. Mixers are available for everyone to use just like Bitcoin is for the 100% to use it in the way and with the method they want.

Before making a deposit from mixed coins, people must do research about rules about mixer, AML, etc. in ToS of that service. If they have rules against coin mixing, don't make deposit with mixed coins, you will take more risk by doing it.

Too bad. An user may want to help you or may have other ideas, even advertising malicious links.
While in many cases such posts do get removed, I would not take chances.

I recommend searching for topics with +ANN +ChipMixer (eg: https://ninjastic.space/search?title=%2BANN+%2BChipMixer ) or look into Service Announcements board.
Of course, after finding the right topic, especially if you use a search engine, you'll have to go to the first post of the topic for the links and possibly to the end for news/happenings.

I've never come to see these threads too.
where did I get that link? from chipmixer participants (on specific letter - PRIVACY # ChipMixer )...

It's also worth pointing out that donating increases your privacy. If you deposit an exact amount and then withdraw the same exact amount, then you have lowered your anonymity set. If you deposit an amount, donate some of it, and then withdraw a different amount, you have a much larger anonymity set.

Implying that the only people who use mixers are doing something illegal, which isn't true. We've know for years that a very small minority of coins which are mixed are linked to illegal activity, and by far the largest source of coins entering mixers are directly from centralized exchanges - i.e. people simply looking to regain some privacy from the ever increasing surveillance conducting by centralized exchanges and their blockchain analysis partners.

I would put the ANN from bitcointalk: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented
and tell people also look for link and news in there.

The ANN is updated and always has the correct link(s). Also it's more credible to see the link posted by an user called ChipMixer, than Sarah Azhari (no offense, just think from a complete newcomer's point of view).

It depends on what is called best, anything centralized to some people are not seen as the best, Chipmixer is centralized. You are not wrong, Chipmixer is not the only mixer on earth, it is even not only the centralized mixers on earth. But among the centralized mixer, Chipmixer is the best, you are right.

This has been the best guide on this forum about bitcoin mixers, if I should have to go for the best option, I would prefer to go for converting bitcoin to monero, then converting the monero back to bitcoin on a decentralized exchange like bisq.

Some people are making use of exchanges, they may also due to some privacy reasons prefer to use a mixer before finally moving the bitcoin to a noncustodial wallet addresses. Also it can be used because of some other privacy reasons like after consolidating many inputs.

Chipmixer is the best Bitcoin mixer but is not the only mixer on Earth.

2022 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites

Moreover, you can read the guide from theymos, [Guide] Decent mixing methods.

Honestly if you use a non custodial wallets and don't have Bitcoin from illegal sources or you don't want to avoid tax ie., you don't have to seriously use mixer service.

I heard that Chip Mixer doesn't charge you a fee, just whatever you want to donate. I would recommend everyone not to donate anything only if they are really broke. Firstly out of honesty, and secondly because otherwise, if everyone did the same, the business would eventually have to close down.

But looking at the years the mixer has been running well and advertising on the forum, I think there are enough generous people to keep the business going and make a profit.

Your tutorial could have been expressed in one sentence: in order to save on mixing fees, you need to make a deposit proportional to a minimum chip size, which is 0.001 BTC. Something like that is already written in plain English in their FAQ:


So, to avoid part of your funds getting "autodonated" to Chipmixer, you will want to send exact amounts, nothing more, nothing less. However, the problem with this reasoning is that for this saving strategy to work, you need to have prepared UTXOs which will be slightly bigger than the size of a typical chip. Upon preparing these specific UTXOs, you inevitably create "toxic" change, which, if combined with your mixed funds, may destroy your privacy. The goal of a mixing process is to enhance privacy by getting rid of these toxic leftovers, but when you try not to pay additional fees to Chipmixer, you only make things worse by creating dozens of undesirable outputs. Don't do that on purpose unless you fully understand the possible implications.

this link for TOR browser


I was add on thread : http://chipmixorflykuxu56uxy7gf5o6ggig7xru7dnihc4fm4cxqsc63e6id.onion/
what other link should i add?, I have mentioned all threads, Due to recent events chipmixer.com is unavailable to access.

interesting tutorial . but when i access the link you provided, i get a warning like that. i already use DNS 1.1.1.1 for the private connection that the website asks for. so i don't continue.

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underline the nominal you mention in the code maybe it's Apy?
I will also look for official info as Try Ninja said, I think what he said, I think is more secure and very reasonable. you can add in your thread.

PSA: Do not randomly click an onion link online. It's very hard to memorize it, so checking for its legitimacy is hard.

Instead, go to ChipMixer's official website and grab the link from there. Then bookmark it on your browser.

chipmixer.com < if it's not .com, then it's a scam!

This is tutorial for anyone who doesn't have money to pay a fee, or has broken because of inflation, war, and covid-19.

i know only 1 mixer here where enough credible and trust, chipmixer.

Due to recent events, I used TOR atm, http://chipmixorflykuxu56uxy7gf5o6ggig7xru7dnihc4fm4cxqsc63e6id.onion/

Step 1, clicking star mixer and solving the captcha, don't forget to save the session on a notepad or bookmark it on the browser.



Step 2 is click deposit, this time I tried to deposit 0.002 BTC, but for sure to read all noted below if you want not lose the units:


Step 3 After deposit and got confirmed, you will be able to step 2, in this moment because have a small deposit, 0.002, I am able to withdraw all chip with free





Step 4 on the step 3 page I got a private key which I can import to electrum wallet.



after importing, my electrum wallet showed full 0.002 BTC in new address. this means my BTC is mixed and free.


Step 5 on next step, I have to destroy the session.


everything is done in only 15 minutes.

if anyone is still confused about how to mix with free, don't be shy to write in comment