Topic: Two quote buttons (Read 378 times)

Look, op sometimes I do use PC and when I am away from home I do access the forum through my smartphone, and I do whatever quoting I want to do, this doesn't mean that I will have to wait till I get home before replying to the comments or quotes I want to since I can easily press the quote button then open in another tab edit and copy paste the current place I am responding to with this I easily responds to everyone I want to quote. Though your suggestion is pretty cool but to me it's creating more chances of people spamming especially to those who are so lazy to do the quoting as you said, on a norm it's better using PC to access the forum only then you can explore more features of the forum and their symbols and the rest.

You can always follow a quote if you want to do that, just  click on the quote from section of the quote this will direct you to the original quote without any edit , you can edit the particular quote from there.
Note: if the post is having just only "quote" as label without "quote from: ...." then the user didn't include the link to that quote /maybe it's just an external quote from websites/Ai ...... unless you're trying to include the user comment too(I.e from where you found the quote you followed), then you have no choice than to use the normal pattern of editing unless there's a better way to implement that.

Check: topic=5512635.msg64619793#msg64619793">hd49728 post on this  thread


It still depends on the user quoting such post, if a user wants to quote just your post and your post is having multiple quotes within, he can still do else if he wants to quote it including other quotes you added he can still do that... there's nothing changing , it's not actually going to change how things are  being done rather speeds up how it's being done for someone who wants to use it .

Well the truth is sometimes for most users is simply just being lazy even when they know exactly what to do which myself is a victim because it doesn't kill you  anyone to actually just take out time to edit your post @quotes by easily making use of the ~snip~ to reduce quoting the entire thread or just clear out the irrelevant information and quote exactly what you are making emphasis on.

Well for newbies and users who aren't familiar and get tired or feels just hitting that quote button is all when highlighting on people point I believe making the habit of editing post would make it easier like that they say "practice makes perfect".

Op got a nice suggestion, but I'm just thinking how this will be implemented. For instance, there's a pyramid 5 post already in existence, and I want to quote the middle post which is the 3rd, if each of these posts will have quote or insert option independently, it will be great.

The only disadvantage I see in this is that it will discourage the organic flow of conversation. You could reply on point to a particular post and someone will quote only your post which might be off context if it stands alone.

Some people don't know about trimming quotes in their posts, and they need to learn it. If possible, they need to practice it with their posts to make it better and it will increase chance to be read by forum members. I don't know other people but I less likely read a very pyramid quoted post because it's hard to read, and difficult to get flow of discussions and idea.

[TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Bitcointalk post formatting

"Quote all" is for quoting a whole post, not a whole thread. I understand your idea, and maybe you used a wrong word. Quoting a whole thread is more terrible than a pyramid quote.

There is only Print all.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=5512635

This is a good idea for mobile user since it’s very hard to trim post via small screen if you just want to reply on the selected phrase on the post that already mixed on pyramid post.

I think adding “quote all” button to quote the whole thread when the post is already on pyramid post format is a good idea while the original “quote” button can be use to quote the post only of the poster.

After going through the comments, i see some opposing and some supportive. Also i noticed some misinterpreted the whole context and the idea of the post. Firstly, the quote button will still be there and it will function just as it used to without any tampering, then there will be a second quote button which can always be used once there's multiple quote within a post and a "quotteee" is willing to quote just the only  user(that made the  post) comment without including other quotes within the same post. The implementation shouldn't disrupt the normal quote behaviour,you want the quote the same way it is then   use the normal quote button else if there's are no quote within post then both button should work the same, this is what i'm actually insinuating on and not quoting a particular part of text out of the poster quote... i will suggest it to powerglove through the link joker_josue providedi will also check the user script out...

It's laziness that prompt people to quote all the lines of sentence, even when someone respond to user through quote button at first, and the second person respond by quoting everything in context, and you want to respond to the last quote made or respond by the second person, what you need to do, is to highlight the text and cut off the sentence that's not necessary base on your response, but I do see many people who quote everything and respond mostly in gambling section

so quoting everything in the context, for me I think is not right thing to do, because it assumed that you're responding to  everything in the box, and a reader will find it difficult to comprehend your point of views, highlighting the text in the box and cut off the paragraphs that's not useful and left the one you want to Lament should be more comprehensive for reader than quoting everything in the box, nobody will know the exact text you're responding or reacting to.

So, op, we don't need to have two quoting buttons, the provision of the one exists, is serving for multiple purpose, its us that misused the quoting button.

I think a "partial quote" system is the proper name for this - select the portion of the text you want to quote and only that part appears in the reply. But then the full reply page cannot be used because you might want to quote in another portion of that same post - separate posts can be quoted in the reply page but not the post being replied to.

Sorry but that as much as I can imagine the problems and nuances of this, it is a good thing but I dont know how it can be done, maybe @PowerGlove can give us a better idea?

Posting from mobile is a pain in the rear, I avoid it as far as possible.

I think it's going to be a lot of hassle and even if it's implemented, people will still need to make edits in their posts even after using the "quote single" button as you suggested. Let me explain why.

I know this can make quoting a bit easier for those who are willing to quote only the last text done by the user they are quoting, but only if the last reply only has one text with no extra elements or multiple quotes. For example:

If you are quoting me but my post has multiple quotes each placed one after the other in this order:


My response


My response

etc.

In such a case, the user will still have to do a lot of editing to remove the portions of the post he isn't willing to respond to, just like how a person would do with unnecessary quotes.

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Another issue is about other added elements in the last post you are quoting. What if I'm quoting you as your post is the last response but your response contains quotes that are added by yourself maybe to add some other information or a reference or anything in general? For example:


My response - I have tried that and below is the result:


Now, if I use the "quote single" button, it might remove the extra quote tags along with its content as well but it isn't supposed to do that because it's a part of the response and isn't a quote from another user that I might not need.

The work needed to be done to add this to the code will be way more than the work done to edit a quote and remove the parts not needed to the reply you're trying to make.
It could also potentially mess up the look for other users, so if this is to be added there should be an option to toggle it on and off.

It's your good suggestion and I hope PowerGlove will step in and do his SMF patch, then theymos will be convinced to deploy it.

EcuaMobi has a user script to do this.
User Script: Automatically remove nested quotes v1.1.1

I agree that pyramid/ nested quotes are very annoying and it's less convenient to quote, then trim unwanted nested quotes on mobile. One interesting point with pyramid/ nested quote is it can help you to see spammers and shit posters. These posters don't care about it, even they are on computers or laptops.

I don't think the code used would allow that. When you quote a tweet, in the code you have embedded that post together with your own so if you want to remove any other quotes and quote just one you have to do so manually. I don't think there will be a way to have another quote button that will automatically remove other quoted posts from the one you want to quote.

Personally, I don't see much stress in manually deleting other quoted posts and leaving just the one you want to reply to. I've used the forum both on a laptop and phone and I understand the difference. I don't even want to believe people are too lazy to do that, I feel they just don't want to because all you have to do is highlight the part you don't want and click "delete". How hard can that be?

There really are some users who are a bit lazy when it comes to removing citations or content of citations that are too much. I think for mobile users, they have a harder time with this. But I sometimes use the forum on mobile and I have the patience to deal with it.

Either way, it can really be a way to minimize this type of situation.

Post your idea in this thread, maybe something can be done: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/little-things-that-bug-youme-about-the-forum-5503118

I disagree, even someone already familiar how to use their cellphone and this forum, but deleting few quotes, quoting signature text in code, copy-paste the text you want to post etc are still hard to do. I also experienced in click X button since there are many annoying pop up ads when I want to download something, if I make a mistake, the ads will drag me to another web.

If the forum not want to create the mobile version, at least this kind improvement can help mobile users.

Good suggestion and maybe it would be better to be able to quote the last reply only instead of the mountain of quotes we see in some threads. Currently there is a userscript that hides such quotes so you can try it as a temporary solution.

I agree, one can easily learn how to use the forum on mobile phone after giving it sometime and it won't be issue to add or remove quotes or only mention the quote that you want to answer. I personally don't use the forum on my smartphone but I believe as humans we can master anything by reputation and same will work for quoting as well.

Find the actual post by clicking the quoted reply then quote it instead the nested quoted reply. You can alway use quote button then open it in new tab to copy or edit/snip the reply you want, and/or use the "Insert Quote" button while you are in the text editor page.

Solutions are there already, it's just the user's bad habit of posting/quoting.

Well Im a mobile user. I only use PC very frequently when I am using forum, I am more comfortable when using my mobile with a lot of stuff. Managed to used to it, even using some tools sometimes. Maybe my hands adjusted well when trying to use them.

I prefer mobile use since its comfortable with me, and I can browse forum whenever I want when I am out drinking with friends, while on the beach, sometimes when pooping still reading posts, riding a public train, and many more. (all not possible when you used PC) especially I travel a lot.

Quoting isnt that hard even using phones maybe the suggestion will ease up the problem but the current format doesnt really a problem at least to my experience.

Once you have knowledge about how to use the quote, it is very easy to use. As it is easy on desktop, so it is also easy on mobile phones. I also do not think this is necessary. Just one quote button is enough and all you need to do is to know how to quote accurately. It can be hard for newbies but as someone learn and know how to use it, it would become very easy in a way no need for any other improvement than to have new forum software.

This will stop pyramid quoting but it won’t stop those that quote the entire thread when they are replying to just a single part of that post.  

It will be better if you just make it an habit to always edit a post you quoted - because the more you do it the better you become and it won’t look that much difficult to you again. It’s obvious that this won’t get implemented as it only encourages lazy behavior so just make it something you do all the time.

A whole lot of stress for mobile users, but I don't see this as a very pressing issue. For anyone who prefers using the forum on mobile, it's just a matter of time before they master how to use all tools, even quoting from the same mobile without considering it a stress, just as I do most times using mobile or PC.

Sorry but I see it as an unnecessary button or will just be adding to redundancy. The quote button is easily there to quote the particular posts and when it is clicked it will actually quote that posts only that if the post has any existing quotes it combines everything just simply go make the reader get an insight of where the discussion also coming from. So base on your question how do they separate the two quote button for it not to alike, if it becomes two. This is another example of adding button to the forum when it is not something one needs actually

The sad truth is that the forum isn't well suited for mobile phones. At least this has been said several times.

What you are suggesting will only encourage more and more pyramid quotes, which is so unpleasant. If someone is so lazy editing their posts and quotes, then they have no business or reason posting in the forum.

The quote button is generally  to quote the whole text from a user and previous quotes from others included by the user in his/her post .
Mostimes, there's always a need remove other quotes from the text, not everyone actually some  prefer to include it while some are lazy to edit anything... I do that sometimes so far it's not in form of a pyramid quote.

Thus, we can have  two quote button, one for " quote single" or whatever suits it to quote just the user post and the other to quote all just they way it is including other quotes. I know this is much more easier to do using PCs  as you can always edit easily with mouse but using mobile isn't that easy especially when you need to edit more and more quote and at the same time, it should be beneficial to PC users to.it can also be implemented for the insert too  to prevent inserting all quotes within a quite while editing...