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April 04, 2024, 06:55:59 PM
Well I would like to disagree on this because Real Madrid are also a very good and fast attacking side and they can really do the damage to Manchester city if the atmosphere calls for it and besides Manchester city are not as that potent as they were as of last season but real on the other hand is lightning hot and I just hope that vinicous actually starts that match so as to keep the flow of things.
The UEFA Champions League are basically among the top tournaments and folding up on the radar for elite teams. We can continue fighting for elite results, it will always comes as planned because Real Madrid and Manchester City deserve all the necessary attentions ans significant votes. Real Madrid and Manchester City are the top clubs and both teams having the best performance this season, besides they've the best coaches and experienced.
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April 04, 2024, 06:46:31 PM

Well I would like to disagree on this because Real Madrid are also a very good and fast attacking side and they can really do the damage to Manchester city if the atmosphere calls for it and besides Manchester city are not as that potent as they were as of last season but real on the other hand is lightning hot and I just hope that vinicous actually starts that match so as to keep the flow of things.
It's  fine to disagree, besides I made mention of their fast game  they seem to be pretty good with it but Pep learned a lot in his first  defeat against  Real Madrid in Champions league 2022 , he would have noticed that  real madrid has a tactic of playing offside along with fast attack  and the only way to counter this is by possessing the ball ( Mancity  is pretty good with possession), besides this was the way they defeated  them last season.  Although  this year they now have a new finisher and some good mield fields probably  things would have changed a little , so I see them winning only by luck From my side
Hmm, with your statement, you are making it sound as if the game was one sided , I mean it's the match between two good teams and their is always room for improvement from the both sides because the two parties are teams that would never want to be defeated at this stage.

Like you said Manchester city are a very good possession player but am pretty certain Madrid must have watched their style and would keep everything professional between the two pair.
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April 04, 2024, 06:26:43 PM

Well I would like to disagree on this because Real Madrid are also a very good and fast attacking side and they can really do the damage to Manchester city if the atmosphere calls for it and besides Manchester city are not as that potent as they were as of last season but real on the other hand is lightning hot and I just hope that vinicous actually starts that match so as to keep the flow of things.
Always keep consistency in winning matches. Real will always be on the lists and they're moving forward to embrace the top winnings. Mauricio Pochettino wants his team to transform but he also needs to improve strategies and style of EPL performance. The UEFA Champions League title comes with huge surprises and I've watch closely to understand the performance of these teams. Do you like the fact about EPL aides fighting each others.
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April 04, 2024, 06:14:17 PM
Well I would like to disagree on this because Real Madrid are also a very good and fast attacking side and they can really do the damage to Manchester city if the atmosphere calls for it and besides Manchester city are not as that potent as they were as of last season but real on the other hand is lightning hot and I just hope that vinicous actually starts that match so as to keep the flow of things.
It's very correct Madrid is usually very fast with attacking a d are very good with fast games too but then Manchester city has also got almost same style of play too as they are usually fast too with their own speed and performance in their games most times especially in the premier league but then in the champions league they have used same tactics but in a very different way that has helped them get the point where they are now.

Manchester city has got a pattern of play that's mostly attack oriented and it could actually be an opportunity and an advantage that Madrid can actually use against them to get some goals, just like klop did with Liverpool in the premier league games, they actually made sure not to stay offside but to the ball behind Manchester city defense and they were able to sustain it around their eighteen yard box and that was what have them the advantage that Manchester city couldn't get to win them because because Manchester city would realize the ball is already in their side and they just have to defend

If real Madrid adopts the same tactics as Liverpool did used against Manchester city, they would be sure to definitely get to win this game and be at the next stage of the champions league because i think looki by the performance so far Madrid is looking like they are still very much in form than Manchester city but then this is actually judging from their domestic league performance so i don't know how well it will be with the champions league actually.
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April 04, 2024, 06:10:08 PM
I don't think that experience sets them apart from each other. Both teams have their experience. Just imagine how insightful it was for Manchester City to have Liverpool as a constant opponent in the Premier League. No matchday could be neglected in any way because there is this other team that is pushing the limits. Manchester City and Real Madrid are equal at the moment I think. Both have amazing weapons. Manchester City has so many versatile players. Real Madrid has Vinicius Junior, Bellingham, so many others that are on the highest level possible. It is such a great event to have these teams play against each other, I am just a bit sad that they meet in the quarterfinals. It is too early for one of them to leave the competition. But ok, we as the fans have some amazing games to watch in the relatively early stages of the competition.
It's true that we also hope that the match between Madrid and City should be an ideal final, but fate brought them together in the quarter finals this season, and only one of them has the right to qualify for the semifinals. But I think, one of those who qualify will have a big chance of reaching the final, because since the start of the season, either Madrid or City have been the favorites to win the trophy this season.

It's not wrong, in many ways the two teams are at the same level except for their glorious history, in that case Madrid is clearly above all the teams in Europe. Meanwhile, I hope that both teams can field their best squads, without any key players getting injured, so that they can show their best strengths. Apart from that, regarding the tactics of the two coaches, there is no doubt about the quality of Ancelotti and Pep Guardiola.

To be honest, it is quite difficult to guess who will emerge victorious in this match, because both teams have all the attributes needed to beat each other. Of course, everyone will be waiting for the Madrid vs City match, and for some people this match is a too early final, so it is worth waiting for.
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April 04, 2024, 06:04:04 PM

I believe it is a huge exaggeration to think that real madrid or manchester city will win the european champions league, as if these two teams were much better than the other teams
To me it's  no exaggeration  that Manchester City will eliminate  Real Madrid  but interm of winning  the Champions League  I might  want to reserve my comment.
The only chance Real Madrid could possibly  get  for beating  Mancity is only by luck or if the teams tends to lose form ahead of the upcoming  game. There's something  about  Pep  which makes it hard for just any team to employ him,
* He impose discipline  on the players and the team at large and he does it in a his own way entirely in which I don't  see so many  clubs which can allow his style of discipline maybe because  of their players .

Pep compose his team that they play calm game even when the are loosing , he doesn't play rush game like Realmadrid  does most times and it link real madrid  os pretty good with it but no matter how they do it  Pep always counter their Attack.


Everyone is waiting for this match. We were waiting to see this game in the final match of the Champions League between Real Madrid and Macnshyter City but it seems before the final games we should say goodbye to one of these two teams while each team could win the title of the Champions League.
For both teams, this game is very important but it seems there is a piece of good news for Real Madrid before the start of this match, their Brazilian player Éder Militão is getting for the game and after 233 days of being injured, he is ready for play for Real Madrid. He even played for his game in the La Liga match against Athletic Club.

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April 04, 2024, 06:00:59 PM
It sounds like you're weighing the strengths of both Real Madrid and Manchester City in the upcoming match. Real Madrid certainly boasts a wealth of experience among its players and coach, which can be a significant advantage in high-stakes matches. However, it's also important to recognize Manchester City's strengths, particularly under the guidance of an experienced coach.

While you're leaning towards Real Madrid's chances of reaching the semifinals by defeating Manchester City, you acknowledge that Manchester City is a formidable opponent capable of pulling off a victory. In football, anything can happen on the pitch, and both teams have the talent and capability to emerge victorious.

This is certainly the match I wasn’t expecting now but until later stages like Semi final or Final but here we have it. The both clubs are my pick to win the champions league, so anyone winning this encounter will go on to win to the final. But before then my assessment of the team is:

Madrid overall look better than they were last season they look like they play more freely this season and that sort of confidence could make them beat just any one. There short coming this season as however been without a recognized striker which we all know at stages like this you need to maybe a heroic. We saw the last time they beat city, Benzema was at the center of everything.

As for Manchester city they have actually dropped in performance this season and I think they will have to up their game to beat Madrid. The worst is they have a very long list of injured senior players which if they don’t hope some players resume they will have a mountain to climb. Another big advantage to Manchester city again is the fact that the second leg will be played at Etihad.
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April 04, 2024, 05:35:26 PM
Manchester City and Real Madrid are the two favorite teams to win the Champions League title this season. I believe that, of course because I see both of them as teams that have good performances in every match. The domestic competition is a good reflection for analyzing the chances of each, so I don't see either one as worth underestimating.
Everyone agrees that Real Madrid and Man City are 2 strongest candidates for the champion in UCL this season. The reason is very clear because Real Madrid is the most experienced team and Man City is the defending champion. However, Man City seems not as strong as in the previous season, they are decreasing their strength. This makes us speculating that Real Madrid is very possible to defeat Man City. Moreover, the performance of Man City isn't very well in the last few matches.

Real Madrid has a lot of experience, as does its coach. Manchester City is the same, the coach also has a lot of experience. I'm definitely backing Real Madrid to get to the semifinals by beating Manchester City, but can't say Manchester City can't beat Real Madrid.
No doubt both coaches are very experienced. I see no much difference between Ancelotti and Guardiola.
Yes, I also support Real Madrid because I think Real Madrid looks more ready for the match. Real Madrid also has a better mentality in UCL competition.


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April 04, 2024, 04:43:48 PM
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Real Madrid has a lot of experience, as does its coach. Manchester City is the same, the coach also has a lot of experience. I'm definitely backing Real Madrid to get to the semifinals by beating Manchester City, but can't say Manchester City can't beat Real Madrid.
It sounds like you're weighing the strengths of both Real Madrid and Manchester City in the upcoming match. Real Madrid certainly boasts a wealth of experience among its players and coach, which can be a significant advantage in high-stakes matches. However, it's also important to recognize Manchester City's strengths, particularly under the guidance of an experienced coach.

While you're leaning towards Real Madrid's chances of reaching the semifinals by defeating Manchester City, you acknowledge that Manchester City is a formidable opponent capable of pulling off a victory. In football, anything can happen on the pitch, and both teams have the talent and capability to emerge victorious.

I don't think that experience sets them apart from each other. Both teams have their experience. Just imagine how insightful it was for Manchester City to have Liverpool as a constant opponent in the Premier League. No matchday could be neglected in any way because there is this other team that is pushing the limits. Manchester City and Real Madrid are equal at the moment I think. Both have amazing weapons. Manchester City has so many versatile players. Real Madrid has Vinicius Junior, Bellingham, so many others that are on the highest level possible. It is such a great event to have these teams play against each other, I am just a bit sad that they meet in the quarterfinals. It is too early for one of them to leave the competition. But ok, we as the fans have some amazing games to watch in the relatively early stages of the competition.
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April 04, 2024, 04:24:02 PM
Rudiger was indeed a problem for Erling Haaland during the last encounter they had as the made thengane very tiring and boring for Erling Haaland.
I don't know if it'll be like that this time around because I don't rely too much on Nacho Fernandez as a good defender. Can he do what David Alaba did alongside Rudiger during the last Champions League clash against Manchester City?

Manchester City are now a different Manchester City, as they have declined in performance and creativity. I shouldn't be expressing myself too much.

Phil Foden might be in a red hot form fo Manchester City but don't forget they Real Madrid also have Camavinga and Aurelin Tchouameni to shield up the midfielder's and defender's.
Rudiger  will be main problem for Erling Haaland how huge pressure and make difficult for Manchester City's forward get chance for scoring goals, but don't forget with Manchester City has many players with potential for scoring goals if their striker get difficult. Phil Fodden, Rodri, Kevin De Bruyne until Bernando Silva will second line players bigger potential will score goals.
Real Madrid must be solid with their defense exactly holding midfielder, most important to pressure is Rodri and Kevin De Bruyne become main of tactical Manchester City games play, I think if both player success pressure and not have space for controlling the ball will make difficult for Phil Foden or Haaland get attempt scoring the goals.
I have make Madrid is favorite team for winning the first and second leg Champion League match, taking more day rest than Manchester City and Madrid not get problem with their player injury.
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April 04, 2024, 03:56:18 PM
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Real Madrid has a lot of experience, as does its coach. Manchester City is the same, the coach also has a lot of experience. I'm definitely backing Real Madrid to get to the semifinals by beating Manchester City, but can't say Manchester City can't beat Real Madrid.
It sounds like you're weighing the strengths of both Real Madrid and Manchester City in the upcoming match. Real Madrid certainly boasts a wealth of experience among its players and coach, which can be a significant advantage in high-stakes matches. However, it's also important to recognize Manchester City's strengths, particularly under the guidance of an experienced coach.

While you're leaning towards Real Madrid's chances of reaching the semifinals by defeating Manchester City, you acknowledge that Manchester City is a formidable opponent capable of pulling off a victory. In football, anything can happen on the pitch, and both teams have the talent and capability to emerge victorious.
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April 04, 2024, 03:52:01 PM

Well I would like to disagree on this because Real Madrid are also a very good and fast attacking side and they can really do the damage to Manchester city if the atmosphere calls for it and besides Manchester city are not as that potent as they were as of last season but real on the other hand is lightning hot and I just hope that vinicous actually starts that match so as to keep the flow of things.
It's  fine to disagree, besides I made mention of their fast game  they seem to be pretty good with it but Pep learned a lot in his first  defeat against  Real Madrid in Champions league 2022 , he would have noticed that  real madrid has a tactic of playing offside along with fast attack  and the only way to counter this is by possessing the ball ( Mancity  is pretty good with possession), besides this was the way they defeated  them last season.  Although  this year they now have a new finisher and some good mield fields probably  things would have changed a little , so I see them winning only by luck From my side
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April 04, 2024, 03:48:40 PM
Real Madrid failed in all negotiations to buy a real striker, let`s remember that Bellingam is not a real pure striker and therefore does what he can!
If he had a striker like Lautaro or Osimhen, then everything could change for Real Madrid, but they fail all tractative
Even though Real Madrid failed to carry out these negotiations, it does not mean that Real Madrid will continue to fail in other negotiations because for now Real Madrid still deserves to be considered a strong team even though there is no pure striker in their front line. Currently Real Madrid can still monitor several other players who might be suitable for them apart from continuing to utilize current players for this line because the other lines must also remain strong so that they do not become weak when receiving attacks from their opponents.
Even though Real Madrid failed to sign a striker, they are not performing lesser than the clubs that have a standing number 9. Jude Bellingham and the rest of the team has covered the performances that a striker is supposed to do. This does not mean that Real Madrid shouldn't sign a striker. But there's no available natural 9 in the market. Except Victor Osimhen who seems to have a link to Chelsea. Even if Real Madrid ends up signing Mbappe, he is still not a natural 9. So, in the end what matters is not Natural 9 but who can score the goal.
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April 04, 2024, 03:38:51 PM
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I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that either Real Madrid or Manchester City have a great chance of winning the trophy this season. Although indeed, I also agree that the other teams also have good quality and also have a chance to get the trophy. But at least, because considering at this moment the other teams that are in this phase in this quarter-final phase, at least Real Madrid and Manchester City at least still have better quality then other. Because anyway, if we mention them all like Atletico, Dortmund, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Arsenal indeed, basically they are big teams and of course famous team in the Champions League or in the big five European leagues. But anyway, basically still, that Real Madrid and Manchester City are still the best other them but indeed, team like Arsenal at this moment also really cannot be underestimated.
Manchester City and Real Madrid are the two favorite teams to win the Champions League title this season. I believe that, of course because I see both of them as teams that have good performances in every match. The domestic competition is a good reflection for analyzing the chances of each, so I don't see either one as worth underestimating.

Real Madrid has a lot of experience, as does its coach. Manchester City is the same, the coach also has a lot of experience. I'm definitely backing Real Madrid to get to the semifinals by beating Manchester City, but can't say Manchester City can't beat Real Madrid.
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April 04, 2024, 03:38:10 PM
Real Madrid will try to apply the tactics used by Arsenal to beat City. But I'm sure City will also learn from the draw against Arsenal and they will try to cover those weaknesses. Pep is a genius coach. Maybe he couldn't dismantle Arsenal's tactics in that match but he wouldn't be trapped by the same tactics. So I don't think Madrid can copy Arsenal's tactics to stop City. Ancelotti is a great coach and he could see Arsenal's weaknesses in that match. But Guardiola will definitely cover that weakness.
That's right, because I once saw an interview from Ancelotti after a match in the domestic league where he said he would study Arsenal's tactics when they were able to hold Manchester City to a draw. I don't know if it's just a bluff to get Pep Guardiola to change his playing system in the future before the match against Real Madrid next week. But what is clear is that both teams will prepare a good strategy so that they cannot read each other.

It will be very exciting to see these two great coaches clashing strategies and I think Pep Guardiola will not underestimate Real Madrid this season because they are very different from last season when they were able to beat them soundly. Ancelotti also has to be alert because everything is not as he expected and stressing his players to always be able to take advantage of Manchester City's gaps is the key to victory that they can get.

Both of them are great courses. So I think both of them are going to try to have tactical warfare with each other. Sometimes I think Carlo Ancelotti is bluffing. But I also think that if he has enough trust in himself and the ability and quality of his players, he should be able to do whatever he likes and win against Manchester City. But at the same time, I think it could be a bluff. Because maybe as a coach, he would not like to let his opponent know what plans are. Let's see what happens. Would be able to see once the match will be played.
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April 04, 2024, 03:33:50 PM

I believe it is a huge exaggeration to think that real madrid or manchester city will win the european champions league, as if these two teams were much better than the other teams
To me it's  no exaggeration  that Manchester City will eliminate  Real Madrid  but interm of winning  the Champions League  I might  want to reserve my comment.
The only chance Real Madrid could possibly  get  for beating  Mancity is only by luck or if the teams tends to lose form ahead of the upcoming  game. There's something  about  Pep  which makes it hard for just any team to employ him,
* He impose discipline  on the players and the team at large and he does it in a his own way entirely in which I don't  see so many  clubs which can allow his style of discipline maybe because  of their players .

Pep compose his team that they play calm game even when the are loosing , he doesn't play rush game like Realmadrid  does most times and it link real madrid  os pretty good with it but no matter how they do it  Pep always counter their Attack.

Well I would like to disagree on this because Real Madrid are also a very good and fast attacking side and they can really do the damage to Manchester city if the atmosphere calls for it and besides Manchester city are not as that potent as they were as of last season but real on the other hand is lightning hot and I just hope that vinicous actually starts that match so as to keep the flow of things.
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April 04, 2024, 03:31:44 PM
Manchester City have a really tight fixture lately. They have another PL match to play in 2 days and only 3 days after that one they are going to play the first leg in the Champions League. Guardiola has a really tough job to do truthfully. Because they are in a fierce fight for the PL title on the other hand. He can't just do a big rotation as a result.

De Bruyne and Haaland were rested in the Aston Villa match. However Haaland's rest might have a different reason. His form has dropped a lot lately as you know.  Sad

I really wonder who we will see there in the first leg, Haaland or Alvarez?
Last match Pep Guardiola success make rotation after winning over Aston Villa and next match Manchester City will make more than 80% rotation players because facing most weakness team Crystal Palace. Its not problem for Manchester City with three days left before facing Real Madrid in champion league match because Pep Guardiola have rested kevin De Bruyne and Erling Haaland will be fresh for facing Madrid.

Last premier league match against Aston Villa, Pep Guardiola rested many main players and seems against Crystal Palace have many players will put on the bench for facing Madrid. Its warning for Madrid although they have more day taking rest but Manchester City keep with the full players for first leg match except with Kyle Walker and seems Ederson still injury.

Guadiola will rest players in the league  thing they face Real Madrid first, because Guadiola will not like to risk any players against Crystal Palace since they are a bonus game for them. I don't think Manchester City have any tough game in the premier league now again is just Tottenham and I believe Manchester City will still win the match. Manchester City will like to draw against Real Madrid in the first leg then they will finish the rest in the Etihad like they did last season.  However, I believe Ancelotti will not allow that to happen this season since they have players who will perform well on the pitch and help the team qualify for the Champions League's next round, where they will face Arsenal or Bayern Munich. Before Manchester City face Real Madrid, I believe they will do everything necessary to bring Walker back because without Walker, I believe it will be extremely difficult if Real Madrid does not defeat Manchester City at home.
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April 04, 2024, 03:28:50 PM

I believe it is a huge exaggeration to think that real madrid or manchester city will win the european champions league, as if these two teams were much better than the other teams
To me it's  no exaggeration  that Manchester City will eliminate  Real Madrid  but interm of winning  the Champions League  I might  want to reserve my comment.
The only chance Real Madrid could possibly  get  for beating  Mancity is only by luck or if the teams tends to lose form ahead of the upcoming  game. There's something  about  Pep  which makes it hard for just any team to employ him,
* He impose discipline  on the players and the team at large and he does it in a his own way entirely in which I don't  see so many  clubs which can allow his style of discipline maybe because  of their players .

Pep compose his team that they play calm game even when the are loosing , he doesn't play rush game like Realmadrid  does most times and it link real madrid  os pretty good with it but no matter how they do it  Pep always counter their Attack.


I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that either Real Madrid or Manchester City have a great chance of winning the trophy this season. Although indeed, I also agree that the other teams also have good quality and also have a chance to get the trophy. But at least, because considering at this moment the other teams that are in this phase in this quarter-final phase, at least Real Madrid and Manchester City at least still have better quality then other. Because anyway, if we mention them all like Atletico, Dortmund, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Arsenal indeed, basically they are big teams and of course famous team in the Champions League or in the big five European leagues. But anyway, basically still, that Real Madrid and Manchester City are still the best other them but indeed, team like Arsenal at this moment also really cannot be underestimated.
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April 04, 2024, 03:25:27 PM
Xavi Alonso made a good decision to stay in the team to make himself and the team worthy of the Champions League they qualified to play next season.
In the other hand, his decision to stay will make Bayern to be make a good decision on signing new manager because they were hoping to sign Alonso after this season. They need to sign new manger so that they can challenge Bayer Leverkusen next season and Dortmund and other teams.
Xavi Alonso? Do you mean Xabi Alonso?  Huh
It will be a good decision or bad decision depending on how the performance of Bayer Leverkusen in the next season.
If Bayer Leverkusen still can dominate Bundesliga and they still can lead the table, it means Xabi Alonso did the right way to stay in Leverkusen. And he also needs to lead Leverkusen to perform well in UCL. Xabi Alonso must ensure that Leverkusen also perform good in international competition. In this way, everyone will agree that Xabi has done the right decision to stay.

If Alonso did well in the Champions League next season, he will have more offers from various teams including Real Madrid and Barcelona.
Of course, there must be more offers if he can be successful in UCL for the next season. However, who can guarantee to succeed in UCL? We also don't forget that UCL is more difficult competition because Leverkusen will play against the best teams in every top European leagues in the world. It won't be the same as in Europa League (UEL).

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April 04, 2024, 03:17:02 PM

I believe it is a huge exaggeration to think that real madrid or manchester city will win the european champions league, as if these two teams were much better than the other teams
To me it's  no exaggeration  that Manchester City will eliminate  Real Madrid  but interm of winning  the Champions League  I might  want to reserve my comment.
The only chance Real Madrid could possibly  get  for beating  Mancity is only by luck or if the teams tends to lose form ahead of the upcoming  game. There's something  about  Pep  which makes it hard for just any team to employ him,
* He impose discipline  on the players and the team at large and he does it in a his own way entirely in which I don't  see so many  clubs which can allow his style of discipline maybe because  of their players .

Pep compose his team that they play calm game even when the are loosing , he doesn't play rush game like Realmadrid  does most times and it link real madrid  os pretty good with it but no matter how they do it  Pep always counter their Attack.
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