Topic: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season - page 94. (Read 141870 times)

The final will be held at Wembley on June 2, the final is still going on for quite a long time and of course it gives a lot of time for both teams to prepare and improve the mentality and performance of the squads of both teams before they compete, for now of course Madrid is the favorite of many people to win the Champions League trophy,  But should Dortmund be underestimated in the final match later?
I think for the final match there are no favourites , because so far both teams have shown their ability to overcome and get through every pressure from the group stage to the semi-finals, now we said Madrid will be able to win over Dortmund  but as if we don't know how hard they fought to reach the final this season.

You mean when Madrid came back when they beat Bayern Munich?
If you make that the match as a reference to favorite madrid of course not quite right, madrid is one goal behind Munich and Tuchel made a mistake by removing Kane and chose to stay defend with 1 goal ahead, I think it was Tuchel mistake that made Madrid comeback so I think if Munich continued to play as usual in the match of course Munich had a greater chance of reaching the final,  Especially if the referee wants to check VAR after de Light goal is disallowed, because indeed those of us who watch at home also know if De Light is in an onside position, but despite it all, I think Dortmund have learned from Munich in the semi-final yesterday and they certainly will not repeat it at Wembley later. 

Yes, I also feel confident, towards Real Madrid. They have a greater chance of winning. Player statistics and their game history show they are superior. But Dortmund seem to be working hard to make history, Dormund having reached the Final in 2013. But they lost, it seems that this will make their motivation double.

I do agree that ignoring that rule was something that made Bayern lose, maybe that was an offside for real and maybe it wasn't we would never know but the thing is that we are going to end up with always doubting this. In the end I feel like Real was the better team anyway, so as a fan of the game I like to see Real Madrid at the top and at the finals. To be fair a German finals would have been fine too.

It is really so awesome to keep seeing every league there, we have seen Inter last year, City last year, Real this year, Dortmund this year, so that is four leagues that got represented in just 2 years. It is usually boring when the same teams always eb in the finals back to back, don't get me wrong it is usually same big teams, I just want them to rotate between each other.

Bayern Munich's efforts against Real Madrid in the second leg of the semi-final match did look quite good and it must be acknowledged by Bayern Munich fans themselves that the team's efforts in winning the match were clearly visible. However, it is true as you said that Bayern Munich did not have enough luck to win this match so Bayern Munich had to go home with high honor even though they had failed to qualify for the Champions League final this season.

Yeah Bayern Munich have played as hard as possible it's just that they haven't been lucky, 2 factors that helped Real Madrid win the match. The first is the mentality of players who never give up and this is related to capable experience and the second is that luck is on their side. However, Real Madrid deserved to go to the final, but I actually didn't expect  for Dortmund because previously I thought PSG would go to the final, this is a fact that cannot be denied that in a tournament surprises can happen.

As we know Dortmund is not the favorite team they are always at the bottom in all predictions. In the final we know that Real Madrid is again the favorite team but will Dortmund bring another surprise this season? well, we will wait for this and when it reaches the final then the chance of each team is no more than 60% I mean we can assume Real Madrid 60% and Dortmund 40% meaning surprises are always waiting.

I also watched the match and observed some behind-the-scenes debates about mistakes by players, coaches, referees, etc. But maybe everything is over and we should move on to the final match upcoming ending.

Regarding BY vs RM, imo RM deserved to win more because they also played well but after all, this is football where it is impossible to please all fans, and people will still find all kinds of different reason to justify their point of view.

I also really like BY this season, and they are still the top football club in my mind, but perhaps this season their opponents have performed better, after all. Brand is the goal, but if not yet, we will try in the future.

Final - no home game it will be a special match outside their home ground and currently Wembley is the chosen...

What you're saying is I don't think Real Madrid will have any trouble beating Dortmund, we know the semi-final where Real Madrid were a goal down until the 87th minute but once they got their heads together they turned it around to win for Los Blancos, their mentality is unquestionable.

Who wouldn't bet on Real Madrid as the favorite? I would bet on Real Madrid but for now I don't see what the odds are except the odds of winning the UCL.

There must be a lot of people betting their way, obviously we know which one to bet on even if it's not a 1X2 bet.

Bayern Munich almost won against Real Madrid but due to some mistakes by the referee and not being able to protect the defense well at the end, Bayan Munich lost in the very end of the match. Although Bayern Munich failed to qualify for the finals, the Munich fans must have been satisfied with the performance of Bayern Munich this season. At the end of the match I saw the fans welcome the players by clapping and the players also accepted the cheers from the fans. Bayan Munich had no shortage of effort in the match against Real Madrid but luck did not help this team at all and Bayan Munich was defeated by that luck. If there is a wrong decision from the referee in such an important match then it is normal to fall back there.

That's a good point. Real tends to perform better at home, earning, on average +0.41 more points in home games than in away matches. For the Dortmund, that metric is at 0.00, meaning it didn't make much difference whether they played home or away.
Sources:
La Liga: https://www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=spain
Bundesliga: https://www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=germany


I think it could be a good value bet for anyone, not only the Dortmund fans. To me, some of the factors included in calculating those odds are the fact that Real is simply a bigger brand and that more people expect them to win.

And there is one more thing to take into account here: it is not a home game for Real Madrid. It's a game in a fantastic stadium and Dortmund will have an equal number of amazing fans. It is a very different situation and if Dortmund can avoid easy mistakes, giving away goals for free, then Real Madrid will have a hard time to beat Dortmund in regular time. But at the same time Real Madrid is hard to beat.

Whether the odds are well chosen, probably too much of a favorite role for Real Madrid? But I think the oddsmakers are themselves confused that Real Madrid just doesn't lose no matter what. Maybe for the Dortmund fans this could be a great opportunity to place some money, enjoy an amazing day and then get a nice return if they win it.

Interesting picture and reflects the situation well. Tuchel's substitutions in the match with Real are really unclear, because the players who came on as substitutes were clearly weaker than those who were replaced and did Tuchel think that one goal would be enough to keep the victory in the match with Real? It's a big mystery. Also a big mystery is the behavior of Bayern players after the goal against Real, namely when Bayern players tried to drag out the game, lay on the lawn for a long time, but all this does not work after the referees began to add 10-15 minutes to the main time. It's as if the players played the match not in 2024 but in 2014 and don't know the new rules.

In general, we can say that Bayern themselves first opened the way to the final, when Neuer reflected all the attacks that were and on their only counterattack that they had, Bayern scored a goal and then Bayern themselves with their play and substitutions let Real into the final of the Champions League.

I think any team that can qualify for the final round can be considered a strong team, including Borussia Dortmund. They were able to come this far because of effort and clearly, that cannot be taken for granted. Borussia Dortmund does not have a squad as flashy as Real Madrid but it still cannot be denied that they can play as a team that has solid teamwork.

Talking about opportunities, of course, Real Madrid is still the favorite because they have had a fairly consistent performance this season, and in my opinion, there is one advantage of Real Madrid that Borussia Dortmund may not currently have, and that is a winning mentality.

You are right. Madrid's opponents were very strong. Madrid performed well in every match, which is why they managed to qualify for the final. On the other hand, Dortmund's opponents were relatively weak. This is why I would say that comparing Real Madrid and Dortmund is foolish. Undoubtedly, Real Madrid is strong. But I repeat that we have seen many times in the past on the platform of Champions League, the underdog teams win.

It is true that Dortmund team is not stronger than Madrid. However, there is no room to underestimate the Dortmund team. Let's not forget the Chelsea vs Manchester City final. We considered Manchester City as the favourites, but Chelsea won the title. For this reason alone I would say there is no chance of underestimating this Dortmund team at the moment.

There's no reason to blame Bayern. All of the club's elements have been performing so excellently in the game against real madrid and they are trying to release full potential. Tuchel has done everything he can to help Bayern Munich qualify for the final, but I must admit that this is the worst time for them when they must let real madrid goes to the final. Vini's strong shoot could not be smoothly blocked by neuer. It helps madrid to score the first goal. neuer has been doing his best but he was failed to do that.

It was deflected just as Joselu was about to score Real Madrid's first goal and im sure neuer never expect that if it was happening and i think that bayern has given a tough game for real madrid. All of the Bayern Munich players have no winning mentalities and yet again they have not reached the point where they are winning.

Overall, Real Madrid has a great team and great coach but it's not like they magically win games. Just look, referees are definitely on their side, I guess we will soon see a referee scandal. It's ridiculous what referees do in favor of Real Madrid.

That mistake more likely changed the fate of the game and changed the fate of Bayern Munich, what if that was a goal? Then there would be overtime and and what if Bayern has won that overtime? There was a referee problem in recent Real Madrid - Barcelona match. The whole world makes a joke about Real Madrid and referees. It's funny how referees judged immediately that Lamine Yamal's goal was not a goal and how two days ago it was an offside and referee blew the whistle.

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P.S. Vinicius Junior is a joke. He only wants to play football of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4l2MhgCIFk

This meme describes the same situation as experienced by Bayern Munich yesterday and they should have learned from Manchester City two years ago, where they thought they were superior and would definitely qualify for the next round, but Real Madrid made a comeback in a short time.

In the past, if I'm not mistaken, Pep's mistake was withdrawing Kevin De Bruyne too quickly and Rodrygo, who entered as Real Madrid's supersub, immediately gave Los Blancos hope through his two goals. At the final point, Real Madrid received a penalty and Karim Benzema became the executor of the penalty and brought Real Madrid to win with full aggregate.

Well, if it's from Bayern Munich after Alphonso Davies scores a goal, Tuchel is confident that his squad will be able to win and only needs to maintain that slim lead. After that, Tuchel withdrew Harry Kane and Jamal Musiala and replaced them with other players to strengthen his defense. Maybe that was the mistake made by Tuchel and he should have known that his opponent was Real Madrid, where conceding first would only pump up their enthusiasm even more and their winning mentality would work in times of pressure like that.

I think any team has to learn more when facing Real Madrid and don't be happy when they are ahead because that will only put them in danger.

I don't think congratulating both of the clubs that qualified for the finals, it was a great performance from both clubs and since every favorite is Real Madrid, I hope we don't get disappointed at the end of the day, Bellingham his old club will be a good thing because he will want to show his former club that he as gotten better than before we would want to make them regret losing him but if you look at it real Madrid is a good place to be and I would say Bellingham is lucky to be in real Madrid. and the game between them might be another history repeating itself, where Real Madrid is going to win against Dortmund again.  I won't lie Dortmund was the last club I expected to win the Champions League or even qualify because everyone was expecting, PSG even Manchester City, or even Arsenal but things did not turn out that way.

That's right, Real Madrid, in my opinion, has a winning mentality that can make them beyond doubt. Even when Real Madrid was able to advance to the final, they rarely lost, in fact they were always almost perfect, the mentality they have helped them to get perfect results, they have gone through many matches that could be said to be easy, even difficult or even tense, but With this winning mentality, they managed to get a pretty good win and satisfy their fans.

Many people think that Borussia Dortmund's performance is below that of Real Madrid. In fact, it is said that Borussia Dortmund is not a comparable opponent for Real Madrid, so the big chance of winning for Real Madrid cannot be hidden when they face Borussia Dortmund. I think of course Borussia Dortmund will also do their best, it's impossible for them not to have reasons and goals for why they can get to the point that many teams want. Even though Borussia Dortmund is considered no better than Real Madrid, there might be surprises when the match takes place.

After successfully beating City, I never doubted that Real Madrid would become UCL champions this season and increase their UCL trophy collection to 15 trophies. They are the most successful team in UCL in history. Real Madrid has a winning mentality and we can see it in the match against Munich. My friends say to always watch Real Madrid matches until the end. I think I agree. They were a very solid team and fought until the end of the game. Congratulations to Real Madrid and Ancelotti for successfully advancing to the final. I am not underestimating Dortmund but I believe Dortmund will not be able to win the UCL title this season. It's different if they face Munich.

Of course after Real Madrid have been able to defeat Manchester City and Bayern Munich, you’ll already see them as the winners of this year’s UCL. And winning this year’s UCL will reclaim them as the big boys in Europe because it’ll equal their title number to 15 UCL and that’s way beyond any other club in Europe.

 ⁠Dortmund have a very good attack line that’s Clinical and presses the opposition and you might think this will be one major challenge Real Madrid will face especially after seeing how the defense of Madrid was shaky against Bayern. Well luckily for Real Madrid, Alaba and Militao will be back and fit for this encounter so that brings stability to this back line of Real Madrid.

 ⁠A player like Vinicius after impressive performance against Bayern, if he puts up same performance against Dortmund in the finals then you can imagine how crazy it can only get for them with him raiding down their defense line. I majorly think this final will be a mix of both Individual talents and collective team efforts as both teams needs to show the stuff they’re made of.

 Well in as much as I have very high hopes on Real Madrid winning this match, I can’t fail to overlook the unpredictable nature of football and also the fact that this Dortmund side too have the UCL experience well. Well this final will be an exciting one and can’t wait for the 1st of June.