UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 1072.

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Quote from: Coyster on October 03, 2019, 10:32:55 PM

Quote from: steveabrahams on October 03, 2019, 10:15:58 PM

4th position on Group A, is there any chance for Real Madrid to qualify to the next round champions league?

Who would have believed some seasons back that in a champions league group stage, Madrid would be languishing in fourth place, I can't really say what the problem is with Madrid, they made major reinforcements this season, Hazard being one of the big money players welcomed to the Berbenbeu.

Florentino Perez might be a good business man, but I do not like the way be handles Madrid, just as Woodward manages Manchester United, I think Perez should leave Madrid, he has made them lose some key legends in the worst ways ever and I think that's come back to haunt them. It'll be the shock of the tournament if Madrid fails to qualify or drops to the Europa league, it'll be demeaning for the collection of world class talents they boast of.

Florentino Perez has rather shown himself to be a far capable in both the financial affairs and player transfers than Ed Woodward has ever shown himself to be. Woodward has been very awful when it comes to player transfers and as a fact look at how he ended up paying more for Fellaini and Harry Maguire if he had agreed and gone for them a lot sooner.

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It took 36 minutes for Liverpool lead the score 3 - 0 but when Hwang made a score for Salzburg the game looks change that Salzburg can equal the score and luckily Salah goal can save Liverpool face so this is very inversely proportional from Liverpool performance on english league that in the champion league they defence looks very weak because conceded 5 goals from 2 game

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on October 03, 2019, 10:45:53 PM

Quote from: Coyster on October 03, 2019, 10:32:55 PM

Florentino Perez might be a good business man, but I do not like the way be handles Madrid, just as Woodward manages Manchester United, I think Perez should leave Madrid, he has made them lose some key legends in the worst ways ever and I think that's come back to haunt them.

They have handled some transfers very poorly over the last couple of years, and this may be reflecting on the performances of the team. Most of the players lack loyalty to the club. We saw Bale pass on the complimentary badge (which the captains exchange) when Varane have it to him.

Madrid needs players that want to play for the club. (One) Big name sign-in would not cover up the underlying issue.

Florentino Perez as Real Madrid manager is not a typical who can retain players or their club legend, this happened to Casilass who came out like just an ordinary player, even though he was a player who greatly contributed to the team. Which is currently loyal to the Madrid club, I think it's only Sergio Ramos & Marcelo.

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Quote from: Coyster on October 03, 2019, 10:32:55 PM

Florentino Perez might be a good business man, but I do not like the way be handles Madrid, just as Woodward manages Manchester United, I think Perez should leave Madrid, he has made them lose some key legends in the worst ways ever and I think that's come back to haunt them.

They have handled some transfers very poorly over the last couple of years, and this may be reflecting on the performances of the team. Most of the players lack loyalty to the club. We saw Bale pass on the complimentary badge (which the captains exchange) when Varane have it to him.

Madrid needs players that want to play for the club. (One) Big name sign-in would not cover up the underlying issue.

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Quote from: steveabrahams on October 03, 2019, 10:15:58 PM

4th position on Group A, is there any chance for Real Madrid to qualify to the next round champions league?

Who would have believed some seasons back that in a champions league group stage, Madrid would be languishing in fourth place, I can't really say what the problem is with Madrid, they made major reinforcements this season, Hazard being one of the big money players welcomed to the Berbenbeu.

Florentino Perez might be a good business man, but I do not like the way be handles Madrid, just as Woodward manages Manchester United, I think Perez should leave Madrid, he has made them lose some key legends in the worst ways ever and I think that's come back to haunt them. It'll be the shock of the tournament if Madrid fails to qualify or drops to the Europa league, it'll be demeaning for the collection of world class talents they boast of.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on October 03, 2019, 06:19:28 PM

Quote from: btcdevil on October 03, 2019, 10:45:48 AM

I dont think that they are now dependent on messi as you can see that how good sqaraz played and scored goal and won for the team. But due to famous name of messi it is always used it for getting highlighted

You certainly did not watch the match played yesterday and i also doubt if you watched any games of Barcelona with Messi in the pitch and without Messi in the pitch. Otherwise, what you are saying here is totally incorrect.

Barcelona have been over dependent on him lately and whenever he doesn't play, the results speak for themselves. Please first watch matches before making random conclusions.

We can say Barcelona without Messi is not Barcelona, it's same like Christiano Ronaldo on Real Madrid though. The different is Barcelona still has another top player Suarez. So when Messi underperform, Barcelona still has suarez to cover.

Almost all big teams doing good on week 2 champions league, Real Madrid on the other hand.... I don't know man, since Ronaldo left Real Madrid, this team become so bad. 4th position on Group A, is there any chance for Real Madrid to qualify to the next round champions league?

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Quote from: JeromeTash on October 03, 2019, 06:19:28 PM

Quote from: btcdevil on October 03, 2019, 10:45:48 AM

I dont think that they are now dependent on messi as you can see that how good sqaraz played and scored goal and won for the team. But due to famous name of messi it is always used it for getting highlighted

You certainly did not watch the match played yesterday and i also doubt if you watched any games of Barcelona with Messi in the pitch and without Messi in the pitch. Otherwise, what you are saying here is totally incorrect.

Barcelona have been over dependent on him lately and whenever he doesn't play, the results speak for themselves. Please first watch matches before making random conclusions.

I agree with you, and Barcelona without messi I think its popularity will decline because in my opinion messi is very influential in the Barcelona game.
Even though Messi didn't score, there are plenty of passes from Messi that can produce goals because Messi is not selfish in playing the team and for whatever reason Barcelona still need messi in changing the game.

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Quote from: btcdevil on October 03, 2019, 10:45:48 AM

I dont think that they are now dependent on messi as you can see that how good sqaraz played and scored goal and won for the team. But due to famous name of messi it is always used it for getting highlighted

You certainly did not watch the match played yesterday and i also doubt if you watched any games of Barcelona with Messi in the pitch and without Messi in the pitch. Otherwise, what you are saying here is totally incorrect.

Barcelona have been over dependent on him lately and whenever he doesn't play, the results speak for themselves. Please first watch matches before making random conclusions.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 03, 2019, 11:59:12 AM

Quote from: DeathAngel on October 03, 2019, 09:36:17 AM

Red Star Belgrade travel poorly but they have an incredibly passionate, intimidating atmosphere at their home stadia. They are not to be underestimated in Belgrade.

Yes, passionate fans are a great addition, but they cannot win you the match. Serbian football is in a downfall for a long time, so I kind of ignored Red Star and thought they will get hammered.
I am pleasantly surprised by Red Star (back to back years in CL groups) so I plan to watch a game or 2 to see what that team is about and if they actually have some good players there.

While their national team is in not looking good for years now despite having very good players, their clubs are performing best since 1991 as Partizan is also playing good, and Serbia might have 2 clubs soon in Champions League.
In my opinion, their most important player is Marko Marin, easily, it was an excellent buy last year.

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It's over. The 2 champions league matches yesterday, really a lot of interesting matches beyond expectations and predictions. Many even lose money in their bets because there is a team that is really disappointing in the match. But behind it all, there must be a winner in betting. Congratulations to everyone who bet, we are waiting for the UCL match on 10/23.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 03, 2019, 10:50:47 AM

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 03, 2019, 10:22:40 AM

Once again it turns out that Barcelona have a lot of problems in their game.
Inter was much better in the first half and missed a great opportunity to secure the win.
Vidal's entry in the second half and the individual quality of Messi and Suarez decided the match.
Barcelona still have big problems in their game, especially when they play away.
Plus, they depend too much on one player, Messi, and that’s not good for the team’s ambitions.

I dont think that they are now dependent on messi as you can see that how good sqaraz played and scored goal and won for the team. But due to famous name of messi it is always used it for getting highlighted

It seems to me that we watched 2 different matches Cheesy

Messi is most deserving for Barcelona's second goal as he made a mess in the Inter defense and Suarez had a very easy job finishing the action.
Otherwise, just look at Barcelone's results with Messi and without Messi to see how powerless Barcelona is when Messi doesn't play.

Despite Barca's spending they can't perform without Messi.The difference is so visible in Barca's game when they are not playing with Messi in the team. They even struggle to beat the smaller teams. Valverde needs to figure out how to make the squad less dependent on Messi now that he is more injury prone.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on October 03, 2019, 12:04:18 PM

... and in my eye Barcelona midfielders especially bosquets is really slow in making transition from attacking to defending, just look at how many times Barcelona left behind this season?

Busquets has been the holding midfielder for over a decade, also during the two years when Barcelona won trebles (including a sextuple), he's speed or lack of, has not cost the team as much as it has over the past three seasons. There is a general lack of urgency about the game when Barcelona losses possession. This was one of the major strengths of the team during the Guardiola era. High press, from the oppositions box.

Ernesto Valverde plays a more conserved type of football, much doesn't mean a better defense as we (yeah, I'm a fan) still let in lots of goals. Bad for the team, but good for gamblers as you pointed out.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on October 03, 2019, 10:09:22 AM

Quote from: rizkyrz on October 03, 2019, 02:08:11 AM

Regarding defense, I agree that it is important for Barcelona to evaluate what has happened.

The problem in Barcelona's defense does not include the four man wall alone. It is rather a team problem. The midfielders and wing forwards okay very important roles in the defensive shape of any team. Poor trackbacks and closing of spaces down the middle would leave the defense line exposed time and again.

They are likely to concede in any game against a side with a decent attack.

Any team playing with possession football like barcelona should have a strong midfielders who has extra stamina to cover the back everytime there's a quick counter attack ... and in my eye Barcelona midfielders especially bosquets is really slow in making transition from attacking to defending, just look at how many times Barcelona left behind this season? A lot of times! That's serious problem for them but a blessing for a bettor Grin

considering they always make a good comeback!

Did you know how much the odds for barcelona to win inter when they lost 0-1 at the HT ? It's delicious @4.2 !!

Did anybody placed live betting for them?
It was really an entertaining week for champions league, 52 goals in two days!!!

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Quote from: DeathAngel on October 03, 2019, 09:36:17 AM

Red Star Belgrade travel poorly but they have an incredibly passionate, intimidating atmosphere at their home stadia. They are not to be underestimated in Belgrade.

Yes, passionate fans are a great addition, but they cannot win you the match. Serbian football is in a downfall for a long time, so I kind of ignored Red Star and thought they will get hammered.
I am pleasantly surprised by Red Star (back to back years in CL groups) so I plan to watch a game or 2 to see what that team is about and if they actually have some good players there.

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Quote from: Pab on October 03, 2019, 08:35:15 AM

What a crazy was Liverpool-Salzburg yesterday.It looks like Liverpool was too sure too fast of his win
I am happy with Ajax.Second game second win with class.It looks like that Ajax will count in current CL edition
Barca-Inter Barca has a lot to improve but at least his performance was much better than Real

Liverpool was a masterpiece yesterday.
But I think that we have to give a lot of credits to Salzburg because they displayed an amazing performance yesterday against the best team in Europe.

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Quote from: btcdevil on October 03, 2019, 10:45:48 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on October 03, 2019, 10:22:40 AM

Once again it turns out that Barcelona have a lot of problems in their game.
Inter was much better in the first half and missed a great opportunity to secure the win.
Vidal's entry in the second half and the individual quality of Messi and Suarez decided the match.
Barcelona still have big problems in their game, especially when they play away.
Plus, they depend too much on one player, Messi, and that’s not good for the team’s ambitions.

I dont think that they are now dependent on messi as you can see that how good sqaraz played and scored goal and won for the team. But due to famous name of messi it is always used it for getting highlighted

It seems to me that we watched 2 different matches Cheesy

Messi is most deserving for Barcelona's second goal as he made a mess in the Inter defense and Suarez had a very easy job finishing the action.
Otherwise, just look at Barcelone's results with Messi and without Messi to see how powerless Barcelona is when Messi doesn't play.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 03, 2019, 10:22:40 AM

Once again it turns out that Barcelona have a lot of problems in their game.
Inter was much better in the first half and missed a great opportunity to secure the win.
Vidal's entry in the second half and the individual quality of Messi and Suarez decided the match.
Barcelona still have big problems in their game, especially when they play away.
Plus, they depend too much on one player, Messi, and that’s not good for the team’s ambitions.

I dont think that they are now dependent on messi as you can see that how good sqaraz played and scored goal and won for the team. But due to famous name of messi it is always used it for getting highlighted

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Quote from: iMark on October 03, 2019, 02:40:59 AM

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One thing i noticed about Liverpool is that they play a high line of defense( I think it's a Klopp style just like he did at Dortmund) which is not good if a team is very tactical and can catch you on the break. Maybe Klopp could do some reinforcing in the near future.

I have been a Real Madrid Fan for a long time and one thing for sure is, defense has never been our thing. Yes we have brilliant individuals at the back, but they are mostly attack minded, that's why we barely keep clean sheets. Now this has been worsened as they age and there are no perfect replacements.

It was one game. No need to panic,,, seriously. If it was like my team where we are constantly conceding then I would be worried. But one game where they let in 3 goals was because their defense had a bad night. And they still have the best defense in premier league. So I would not be worried at all.

Spurs? I am afraid for them seriously.

Yeah Van dijk is not a perfect player, he can't always be brilliant, always onfire and play well every week. sometimes he has a bad night, which is normal for every player. Come on man this is only 1 game? before never has anyone scored more than 3 goals when Virgil played, that doesn't mean that Liverpool defense has begun to falter, this is only 1 game. and I'm sure Klopp will fix it soon and Virgil cs will start to learn better, which is far more important to them is they win the match.

It's not just one game, Van Dijk has been playing bad for a long time.
Van Dijk didn't make as many mistakes last season as he did in the last two months.
Against Arsenal he was the worst player and Pepe gave him a lot of trouble.
Against Napoli he was directly responsible for the second goal.
Against Salzburg he was responsible for at least 2 goals.
The fact is, he plays a lot worse than last season.

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Once again it turns out that Barcelona have a lot of problems in their game.
Inter was much better in the first half and missed a great opportunity to secure the win.
Vidal's entry in the second half and the individual quality of Messi and Suarez decided the match.
Barcelona still have big problems in their game, especially when they play away.
Plus, they depend too much on one player, Messi, and that’s not good for the team’s ambitions.

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Quote from: rizkyrz on October 03, 2019, 02:08:11 AM

Regarding defense, I agree that it is important for Barcelona to evaluate what has happened.

The problem in Barcelona's defense does not include the four man wall alone. It is rather a team problem. The midfielders and wing forwards okay very important roles in the defensive shape of any team. Poor trackbacks and closing of spaces down the middle would leave the defense line exposed time and again.

They are likely to concede in any game against a side with a decent attack.

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