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The way Manchester City was flushed out of the champion league is so baffling with real Madrid pattern of playing Liverpool is going to fine it hard to win them in the finals, real Madrid fat luck on their side in each game.

I think, Real Madrid got the victory by luck in the semi final, because Manchester city defeated Real Madrid in the first leg with 2-0 but Real Madrid defeated them in the second leg that made them to qualified for UEFA Europa champion league final. What happened to manchester city in the semi final will not happen to Liverpool in final because Liverpool has defeated Real Madrid before in this tournament which will give them more confidence to play well to achieve victory . I think Liverpool coach will not allow Real Madrid to defeat Liverpool than to use all their tactics to embrace victory at the end of the match.

If I'm not mistaken, Manchester City won the first leg 4-3. And in the second leg Real Madrid won 3-1. However, in the second leg, Real Madrid scored 3 goals after 90 minutes. So we can say that Real Madrid is very lucky. Real Madrid may be lucky, but they have a very strong and experienced squad. And so I hope the Liverpool vs Real Madrid final will be very competitive and enjoyable.

Real madrid is a strong team for sure , I still see the game which they defeated Manchester city was a game of luck. Real Madrid just have only Benzema as a good player who is carrying the team along, but if you check Manchester City it's not a team they only depend on one player. Real Madrid won the game for slight mistake of Manchester City.

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When I review Real Madrid's record for finals in the Champions League, I am very surprised that they never lose and manage to win titles every time they reach the final. Granted that's not always the case because the seasons keep changing with different teams and coaches, so there's hope for Liverpool to try to win it.

I would prefer if Liverpool managed to win the Champions League title this season against Real Madrid, but of course we know very well that Real Madrid's capacity and ability and winning mentality to beat opponents deserves appreciation.

I didn't know that part about Real, how they win every time they reach the final game! It's something to think about! Especially because of your remark about their capacity, ability, and winning mentality! I believe it's how they flipped PSG, Chealse, and City! All of them had an advantage after the first games, and many of us saw them dropping out of the championship! But they are in the finals now, and you are right, they deserve appreciation, they played and they won!

Well, I guess we can expect a spectacle! After all, both have attacking styles... both score and receive goals! Anything is possible in this game, I believe most of us feel that way, but still, I would like Liverpool to win, and for sure they can do it if they play as they are playing this season!

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Quote from: poldanmig on May 09, 2022, 12:00:35 PM

It can be said that Liverpool players are actually much better than Madrid at the moment, especially Liverpool defense which is quite solid, so far Liverpool are one of the teams that have conceded quite a few in the league so this shows a big difference from Madrid, which is very vulnerable to being conceded by the opposing team, but I believe the mentality of madrid to win the champions league this season is quite big, so it is difficult to predict who will win in the later.
But I think the champions league final will be a good stage for young players to show their football talent right now.

If we compare the players of the two teams and their recent performances, then the Liverpool team can definitely be called a favorite. However, Real Madrid's players are very experienced and talented. They have the ability to play well and win against any strong team. So this match will definitely be competitive. The goal of both teams is to win the title. Both teams have the ability to win. Although Liverpool are favorites, it is not surprising that Madrid won.

I already posted some predictions last week Liverpool are the favorites based on the betting market of course the bookies understand how to see a team
But what the bookies offer is not something that is certain sometimes they trap, what worries me is when the match ends in a draw then determined by penalty shootout
in this case Liverpool are again the favorites because they have a lot of shooters the ability of each player is almost the same.

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Quote from: poldanmig on May 09, 2022, 12:00:35 PM

It can be said that Liverpool players are actually much better than Madrid at the moment, especially Liverpool defense which is quite solid, so far Liverpool are one of the teams that have conceded quite a few in the league so this shows a big difference from Madrid, which is very vulnerable to being conceded by the opposing team, but I believe the mentality of madrid to win the champions league this season is quite big, so it is difficult to predict who will win in the later.
But I think the champions league final will be a good stage for young players to show their football talent right now.

If we compare the players of the two teams and their recent performances, then the Liverpool team can definitely be called a favorite. However, Real Madrid's players are very experienced and talented. They have the ability to play well and win against any strong team. So this match will definitely be competitive. The goal of both teams is to win the title. Both teams have the ability to win. Although Liverpool are favorites, it is not surprising that Madrid won.

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Quote from: Newlifebtc on May 09, 2022, 11:26:55 AM

Liverpool have two great defending player's this season, they need to be really disturbed.

It is the champions league final, and some of those details could prolly not come into play, just 90 mins (and possibly extra 30 minutes/penalties) and the game is over, poor decisions, a mistake or anything could absolutely decide the match; but take nothing away from the Liverpool defense, they are pretty solid, but what i am saying is that a lot could happen that day to expose them.

Quote from: Newlifebtc on May 09, 2022, 11:26:55 AM

One thing for sure is that if Madrid wins the Champions League, then benzema is likely to be the main candidate for the world best player award,he deserves it.

Even if they do not win it, he would still be a contender, but if Madrid wins it, then his position becomes way much stronger. Not to forget that his country France is also a strong contender to win the world cup, so it looks like Benzema really has strong odds to win the next Ballon d'or award.

Quote from: Newlifebtc on May 09, 2022, 11:26:55 AM

Camavinga should start in the game because of the energy he brings into the team. Hopefully Madrid can repeat history once more.

He was brilliant when he came on against City in the Semi-final. Carlo Ancelloti would definitely know the better time to play him, but he could be a better option for the second half, prolly come into the game with his energy, when opposition players start to get tired.

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Quote from: poldanmig on May 09, 2022, 12:00:35 PM

It can be said that Liverpool players are actually much better than Madrid at the moment, especially Liverpool defense which is quite solid, so far Liverpool are one of the teams that have conceded quite a few in the league so this shows a big difference from Madrid, which is very vulnerable to being conceded by the opposing team, but I believe the mentality of madrid to win the champions league this season is quite big, so it is difficult to predict who will win in the later.
But I think the champions league final will be a good stage for young players to show their football talent right now.

I know that it seems like Liverpool is a lot better team than Real Madrid right now because Liverpool has faced stronger opponents in the English Premier League compared to Real Madrid in La Liga, and Liverpool is in second place even though they faced a lot of stronger opponents.

But Real Madrid is always a team that performs in the biggest stages and another thing is Real Madrid also doesn't have the added pressure of winning the La Liga title.

So Real Madrid is going to put all their resources and try to win the Champions League which they are doing right now.

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It can be said that Liverpool players are actually much better than Madrid at the moment, especially Liverpool defense which is quite solid, so far Liverpool are one of the teams that have conceded quite a few in the league so this shows a big difference from Madrid, which is very vulnerable to being conceded by the opposing team, but I believe the mentality of madrid to win the champions league this season is quite big, so it is difficult to predict who will win in the later.
But I think the champions league final will be a good stage for young players to show their football talent right now.

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Quote from: inanilujimi on May 09, 2022, 11:50:08 AM

I hope Benzema will no longer hypnotize the world's best goalkeeper in the final with his blunders, Benzema is very good at taking advantage of opportunities, if his movements can be limited I believe Liverpool will be champions this year.

The fact is that in this case Benzema is still a frightening specter but on the other hand he can also be a distraction there so that other players can get the best opportunities.
For example when they faced City in the 2nd leg some time ago. He is guarded very closely but Benzema's cleverness is a distraction so that Vini and Rodrygo move freely.
Marking Benzema is necessary but on the other hand Liverpool must also be able to turn off Vini's movement with the speed he has

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I hope Benzema will no longer hypnotize the world's best goalkeeper in the final with his blunders, Benzema is very good at taking advantage of opportunities, if his movements can be limited I believe Liverpool will be champions this year.

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Quote from: suryana on May 09, 2022, 11:33:59 AM

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Liverpool have two great defending player's this season, they need to be really disturbed.
One thing for sure is that if Madrid wins the Champions League, then benzema is likely to be the main candidate for the world best player award,he deserves it.
Camavinga should start in the game because of the energy he brings into the team. Hopefully Madrid can repeat history once more.

Liverpool do have players with a solid composition this season starting from the back row to attack they have the quality of players that are so evenly distributed, but real Madrid is not a random team where their striker Karim Benzema looks so impressive and is predicted to be a player who won the Ballon d'Or. Or this season of course they want to play against Liverpool to get their 14th trophy this season even though they are facing Liverpool but Real Madrid have experience and mentality that is so extraordinary in hiding in Europe where other English representatives such as Chelsea and Manchester city already felt the ferocity of the comeback from los Blancos this season

For me I think Liverpool will be too much for real Madrid because without being a team that plays defensive football will always find it difficult to win Liverpool, now that Manchester City have add more points than them they will channel there positivity to the champions League, and another thing they don't have a weak spot in that team. Madrid has been having this advantage of two legs and this scenario is different because is one leg and you can hold down Mohamed Salah, Sadio Mane or Jota and the new boy Luis Diaz for ninety minutes accept you are a defensive team which Real Madrid are not.

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Quote from: Fesatmas on May 09, 2022, 06:15:17 AM

I think so too, but Real Madrid worked hard to get that luck. They were so calm after trailing two goals on aggregate in the second half. Finally they were able to break the deadlock in the final minutes, even 2 minutes later they again succeeded in creating a goal that made the aggregate a draw. I think Manchester City also lost concentration so the goals from Real Madrid were so quick.

It's almost impossible to happen, 2 goals in one minute. It also saved Madrid. The second goal further shattered Man City's mentality. In addition I think Benzema's performance, vinicius is in the best condition. Benzema is really experienced, he is able to open up space or vice versa. Pinalti also made them lucky, because it was the decisive goal. But regarding the late goal, several times saw madrid seemed to be a goal created in the second half.

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Quote from: Newlifebtc on May 09, 2022, 11:26:55 AM

Liverpool have two great defending player's this season, they need to be really disturbed.
One thing for sure is that if Madrid wins the Champions League, then benzema is likely to be the main candidate for the world best player award,he deserves it.
Camavinga should start in the game because of the energy he brings into the team. Hopefully Madrid can repeat history once more.

Liverpool do have players with a solid composition this season starting from the back row to attack they have the quality of players that are so evenly distributed, but real Madrid is not a random team where their striker Karim Benzema looks so impressive and is predicted to be a player who won the Ballon d'Or. Or this season of course they want to play against Liverpool to get their 14th trophy this season even though they are facing Liverpool but Real Madrid have experience and mentality that is so extraordinary in hiding in Europe where other English representatives such as Chelsea and Manchester city already felt the ferocity of the comeback from los Blancos this season

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Liverpool have two great defending player's this season, they need to be really disturbed.
One thing for sure is that if Madrid wins the Champions League, then benzema is likely to be the main candidate for the world best player award,he deserves it.
Camavinga should start in the game because of the energy he brings into the team. Hopefully Madrid can repeat history once more.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on May 09, 2022, 06:25:39 AM

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I think so too, but Real Madrid worked hard to get that luck. They were so calm after trailing two goals on aggregate in the second half. Finally they were able to break the deadlock in the final minutes, even 2 minutes later they again succeeded in creating a goal that made the aggregate a draw. I think Manchester City also lost concentration so the goals from Real Madrid were so quick.

what made everyone astonished was because of the goal so quickly from Madrid. maybe, Man City already thought they would get a win and qualify for the final. that's what makes the focus of Man City decrease. and Madrid benefits from it all. 3 quick goals that make Man City have to swallow the bitter reality.

Real Madrid must repeat the quick goal in the UCL final later, they must do it early in the first half to damage the mentality of Liverpool players. Ancelotti must give Benzema freedom of movement up front, Benzema needs an accurate feed supply from midfield to turn it into a goal. Liverpool also has the same mission, scoring a goal against Real Madrid became their main mission. Real Madrid had to stop the movement of Mo Salah, Mane and Luis Diaz who were very fertile in scoring goals for Liverpool.

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Quote from: babo on May 09, 2022, 03:08:01 AM

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Real can afford such tactics (to play with B squad) because they have already secured the Spanish title.
Liverpool still have a chance to win the English title and will do everything they can to seize that chance. They also play in the English Cup finals.
The English Championship is very long and hard and I believe it affects the performances of English clubs in European competitions.
Real will have a lot more rest than Liverpool before the final, and that could also affect the final result in the Champions League final.

I also see Real Madrid as the most likely winner
would I bet on it? never
in any case he has already proved to be dangerous until the last second and this, for the morale of the players, counts a lot
they will fight like beasts to the last

I think Liverpool should realize that their chances of winning the English Premier League are really low right now. because of the way Manchester City are playing and the opponent that Manchester City will be facing next, I don't think they are going to lose even one match and that certainly takes away the chances of Liverpool winning the English Premier League. so they really need to concentrate on the Champions League really hard as well.

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Quote from: kro55 on May 09, 2022, 08:28:29 AM

In the last match, Real Madrid plays really explosively in the last 15 to 20 minutes. Liverpool needs to stay aware of that. and if somehow Liverpool can change the thing in the last ten or fifteen minutes and Liverpool themselves can be the aggressor, I think Liverpool should have an easy match in their hand. But certainly, things are not as easy as it seems when you are playing the UCL final

Agree, this season I see Real Madrid always have a surprise in the minutes before the game ends, it will be an important note for Liverpool.

They last met in the Champions League final in 2018, when Real Madrid came out as champions. At that time Real Madrid was known for its defense which was quite strong, on the contrary, this season the Liverpool defender played quite well.

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The way Manchester City was flushed out of the champion league is so baffling with real Madrid pattern of playing Liverpool is going to fine it hard to win them in the finals, real Madrid fat luck on their side in each game.

I think, Real Madrid got the victory by luck in the semi final, because Manchester city defeated Real Madrid in the first leg with 2-0 but Real Madrid defeated them in the second leg that made them to qualified for UEFA Europa champion league final. What happened to manchester city in the semi final will not happen to Liverpool in final because Liverpool has defeated Real Madrid before in this tournament which will give them more confidence to play well to achieve victory . I think Liverpool coach will not allow Real Madrid to defeat Liverpool than to use all their tactics to embrace victory at the end of the match.

If I'm not mistaken, Manchester City won the first leg 4-3. And in the second leg Real Madrid won 3-1. However, in the second leg, Real Madrid scored 3 goals after 90 minutes. So we can say that Real Madrid is very lucky. Real Madrid may be lucky, but they have a very strong and experienced squad. And so I hope the Liverpool vs Real Madrid final will be very competitive and enjoyable.

I think so too, but Real Madrid worked hard to get that luck. They were so calm after trailing two goals on aggregate in the second half. Finally they were able to break the deadlock in the final minutes, even 2 minutes later they again succeeded in creating a goal that made the aggregate a draw. I think Manchester City also lost concentration so the goals from Real Madrid were so quick.

Manchester City players may not have imagined that Real Madrid would be able to score 3 goals in such a short time. It was completely unexpected. Real Madrid was also very lucky against PSG. However, the match against Liverpool is very difficult. Because Liverpool's performance in almost every match of the Champions League was very good. And they are very strong as a team. The bonds between the team players are excellent. So Real Madrid has to be very careful in this match.

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Quote from: davis196 on May 09, 2022, 06:59:15 AM

I think that Real Madrid has a hard time winning against English teams.They win against English teams in two games,but will they be able to win in only one match.
They've won against Chelsea in the first game,but at "Santiago Bernabeu",Chelsea was leading 3-0 10 minutes before the end and Real was pretty close to getting kicked out of the tournament.
Manchester City destroyed Real at Etihad stadium,but they missed a lot of goal opportunities,so Real Madrid survived.Real Madrid won't have a second chance against Liverpool.The winner will be decided in 90 minutes(or maybe 120 minutes).The Liverpool attack players are unstoppable.
If the Liverpool defenders manage to block Benzema,Vinicius and the "golden goose" Rogrigo,Real Madrid simply won't be able to score a goal.

I am quite sure that Liverpool is going to take advantage of the weak defense of Real Madrid. with the attacking lineup that Liverpool has, it should be really easy to score some goals against the type of defense that Real Madrid has.

In the last match, Real Madrid plays really explosively in the last 15 to 20 minutes. Liverpool needs to stay aware of that. and if somehow Liverpool can change the thing in the last ten or fifteen minutes and Liverpool themselves can be the aggressor, I think Liverpool should have an easy match in their hand. But certainly, things are not as easy as it seems when you are playing the UCL final

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Quote from: davis196 on May 09, 2022, 06:59:15 AM

I think that Real Madrid has a hard time winning against English teams.They win against English teams in two games,but will they be able to win in only one match.
They've won against Chelsea in the first game,but at "Santiago Bernabeu",Chelsea was leading 3-0 10 minutes before the end and Real was pretty close to getting kicked out of the tournament.
Manchester City destroyed Real at Etihad stadium,but they missed a lot of goal opportunities,so Real Madrid survived.Real Madrid won't have a second chance against Liverpool.The winner will be decided in 90 minutes(or maybe 120 minutes).The Liverpool attack players are unstoppable.
If the Liverpool defenders manage to block Benzema,Vinicius and the "golden goose" Rogrigo,Real Madrid simply won't be able to score a goal.

Regardless of the club's mentality, if you look at Real Madrid journey, they can qualify for the final because of luck. Against PSG and Manchester City, Real Madrid tends to be due to the luck factor. At PSG, they lost to a crushing defeat that meant they would not qualify, but in the 2nd leg at the Santiago Bernabeu, the result was beyond the reach of many. Against Liverpool in the final will certainly be the most awaited match.

there is no 2nd leg, which means Madrid has no chance to try their luck again.
but Madrid is not a lucky team. they are against a strong team. and can make a comeback that no one can think of. It's not just a winning mentality that Madrid has. they are a team that has the quality to win.

If what is meant is the final, then it is true that there will be no 2nd leg. Even though I am not a fan of Liverpool and Real Madrid, I have always watched the journey of each of their matches since they finished in the group stage. That's why I say Real Madrid being in the final looks like a lucky factor even though they have the qualities you say. Unlike Liverpool's journey to the final.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on May 09, 2022, 07:36:27 AM

Quote from: davis196 on May 09, 2022, 06:59:15 AM

I think that Real Madrid has a hard time winning against English teams.They win against English teams in two games,but will they be able to win in only one match.
They've won against Chelsea in the first game,but at "Santiago Bernabeu",Chelsea was leading 3-0 10 minutes before the end and Real was pretty close to getting kicked out of the tournament.
Manchester City destroyed Real at Etihad stadium,but they missed a lot of goal opportunities,so Real Madrid survived.Real Madrid won't have a second chance against Liverpool.The winner will be decided in 90 minutes(or maybe 120 minutes).The Liverpool attack players are unstoppable.
If the Liverpool defenders manage to block Benzema,Vinicius and the "golden goose" Rogrigo,Real Madrid simply won't be able to score a goal.

Regardless of the club's mentality, if you look at Real Madrid journey, they can qualify for the final because of luck. Against PSG and Manchester City, Real Madrid tends to be due to the luck factor. At PSG, they lost to a crushing defeat that meant they would not qualify, but in the 2nd leg at the Santiago Bernabeu, the result was beyond the reach of many. Against Liverpool in the final will certainly be the most awaited match.

there is no 2nd leg, which means Madrid has no chance to try their luck again.
but Madrid is not a lucky team. they are against a strong team. and can make a comeback that no one can think of. It's not just a winning mentality that Madrid has. they are a team that has the quality to win.

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