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Quote from: DU18 on November 03, 2021, 10:15:33 AM

It looks like AC Milan magic in Europe has now disappeared and maybe it's because they have been out of European competition for too long, at the moment the two teams do have contrasting differences, Juventus are great in the Champions League but have had a bad season in the league and vice versa happened in ac milan, and what is interesting that Juventus is the only Italian team that has managed to get full points in the champions league compared to the other three Italian teams so far, and this shows if perhaps their ambition right now is to win the champion league trophy.

Yeah, Haard times for AC Milan, against FC Porto it was like a game of life and death. If AC Milan loses against Porto, AC Milan will most likely end up at the bottom of the table. This means that AC Milan will also fail to be able to play in UEL because in order to be in UEL, Milan must be in 3rd position. Indeed, there are still matches remaining vs. athletico and liverpool, but I think it will be difficult to win. Well, they are already try their best in UCL, but this group are really hard for young players.

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Quote from: OcTradism on November 03, 2021, 09:52:00 AM

Quote from: DU18 on November 03, 2021, 09:27:09 AM

Juventus victory today made Juventus win a ticket to the last 16 now, because apart from Chelsea, Juventus will not be overtaken now, with this victory, of course, now Juventus' steps are lighter in the league and can at least cover the bad results that occurred in the last three the last match in the league, besides that now juventus will be able to focus more on league matches because their burden in the champions league has been reduced.

Congrats Juventus for their win and a ticket to the next round of Champions League. It is good that they passed through the pressure from the win of Chelsea to win their match.

Their performance in Champions League and Serie A are completely different than AC Milan

In the past we have saying like Serie A for Juventus and Champions League for Milan. Now it looks to be very different. Obviously I wish that AC Milan will go next through the very close gate in order to help not only themselves but Serie A too. I have no worry that Milan will come back stronger next year in Champions League.

It looks like AC Milan magic in Europe has now disappeared and maybe it's because they have been out of European competition for too long, at the moment the two teams do have contrasting differences, Juventus are great in the Champions League but have had a bad season in the league and vice versa happened in ac milan, and what is interesting that Juventus is the only Italian team that has managed to get full points in the champions league compared to the other three Italian teams so far, and this shows if perhaps their ambition right now is to win the champion league trophy.

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Quote from: KingsDen on November 03, 2021, 08:28:32 AM

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Quote from: hd49728 on November 03, 2021, 05:06:46 AM

The stats of Ronaldo is amazing. He scored 5 goals for Manchester United in just 4 matches in Champions League. Without him, what position is for Manchester United?

The question should rather be how much more successful ManU would be without Ronaldo. The system of play has been changed by the signing him in such a way that it suits Ronaldo very well, but this deprives other players of their strength. Of course, Ronaldo can therefore always shine as a decision-maker, but basically at the expense of the team.
I'm convinced that ManU would be more successful than it currently is if Ronaldo wasn't in the team.

I disagree. Can we honestly ask and answer ourselves these questions?
1. How successful was Manchester United before Ronaldo's arrival?
Answer: Manchester was struggling as usual.
2. What of Manchester United style of play before Ronaldo's arrival?
Answer: There was no style of play but reliance on individuals which made Bruno as a midfielder scored the most goal.
3. What style is Manchester United playing now.
Answer: Maybe Ronaldo style.
Ronaldo should be praised for the continuous redemption of Manchester United and not the reverse.

Ronaldo is a bit too old to amount the type of support, the weight of all your expectations and aspirations the fans wants from him. But all the same, he still delivers. Ronaldo keeps saving Ole.
But the question is this: for how long will Ronaldo keep saving the team. Imagine Manchester United playing against Manchester City or Bayern. What will be their fate?

Great player, good team, but a huge absence of tactical coaching!!!.
Certainly no trophies for Manchester United this season!!!

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Quote from: DU18 on November 03, 2021, 09:27:09 AM

Juventus victory today made Juventus win a ticket to the last 16 now, because apart from Chelsea, Juventus will not be overtaken now, with this victory, of course, now Juventus' steps are lighter in the league and can at least cover the bad results that occurred in the last three the last match in the league, besides that now juventus will be able to focus more on league matches because their burden in the champions league has been reduced.

Congrats Juventus for their win and a ticket to the next round of Champions League. It is good that they passed through the pressure from the win of Chelsea to win their match.

Their performance in Champions League and Serie A are completely different than AC Milan

In the past we have saying like Serie A for Juventus and Champions League for Milan. Now it looks to be very different. Obviously I wish that AC Milan will go next through the very close gate in order to help not only themselves but Serie A too. I have no worry that Milan will come back stronger next year in Champions League.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on November 03, 2021, 09:04:11 AM

I'm very sure now about that Juventus are a very interesting team. Grin

They have been struggling in the Serie A in the recent times. However, they are doing a really great job in the Champions League now. They won all of their first four matches so far. Last night, they defeated Zenit by 4-2. And Dybala was absolutely the player of the match as he scored 2 goals and made 1 assist. I'm curious about until when they will keep up this very good work here.

Juventus victory today made Juventus win a ticket to the last 16 now, because apart from Chelsea, Juventus will not be overtaken now, with this victory, of course, now Juventus' steps are lighter in the league and can at least cover the bad results that occurred in the last three the last match in the league, besides that now juventus will be able to focus more on league matches because their burden in the champions league has been reduced.

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Quote from: KingsDen on November 03, 2021, 08:28:32 AM

I disagree. Can we honestly ask and answer ourselves these questions?
1. How successful was Manchester United before Ronaldo's arrival?
Answer: Manchester was struggling as usual.
2. What of Manchester United style of play before Ronaldo's arrival?
Answer: There was no style of play but reliance on individuals which made Bruno as a midfielder scored the most goal.
3. What style is Manchester United playing now.
Answer: Maybe Ronaldo style.
Ronaldo should be praised for the continuous redemption of Manchester United and not the reverse.

They were 2nd last season without Ronaldo.
I agree with some of your points though, Ronaldo has scored some huge goals for them already. The fact also remains that he is a man less in defence, they had to adapt their playstyle and they do look like a worse team overall than they were last season.
Ronaldo will do his part, that's what world class players do. However - I do think he wasn't the best fit for this United team, especially when he was brought in at such short notice.

I wouldn't say that Ronaldo is unfit for United. Because for a top striker to score a better midfield is needed and United clearly has a deadly midfield with Pogba, Bruno. But the thing is that Ole is unable to utilize his squad to the fullest. Because maybe this is the 3rd time Ronaldo has scored in the injury time and saved the match for United. It is clear on the pitch how heavily they are relying on Ronaldo and Bruno. This needs to change.

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Quote from: ralle14 on November 03, 2021, 08:00:51 AM

We'll see later today, I think they're in a good position to take the win at Anfield but yeah Atletico can still pose a threat even without Griezmann.

I also think Milan has a solid chance at winning since they really need all three if they plan on contesting the second slot.

I got both of them currently in a parlay and hopefully, both of them hits. Cheesy

OH I forgot he was red carded in the other round, now no wonder the odds are so big in Liverpool favor, was thinking of making some bets at Freebitco.in on Liverpool where it is still 2x (bookies all below 2x) but wondering what the trap was.

Milan is a natural choice too but for both Milan clubs I lose money on them a lot now all in UCL they make me so mad lol

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I'm very sure now about that Juventus are a very interesting team. Grin

They have been struggling in the Serie A in the recent times. However, they are doing a really great job in the Champions League now. They won all of their first four matches so far. Last night, they defeated Zenit by 4-2. And Dybala was absolutely the player of the match as he scored 2 goals and made 1 assist. I'm curious about until when they will keep up this very good work here.

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Quote from: Yogee on November 02, 2021, 05:41:07 PM

Great to see some teams advancing to the round of 16 this early. They can already save some of their key players and let their youngsters add to their Champions League experience.

Ronaldo covered the blunders of goalkeeper and defender once again. That's what he's paid to do but his teammates can't go on like that. It's amazing that they are still on top of the group.

Ronaldo has been doing the best of his ability. During the second half he's restricted on playing short passes, because nobody is running to create shooting chances. Finally he took his chance and ended the match in a draw. This won't happen everytime. During the second half there were more counter attacks than the first half. Somehow he manages to keep the team on the top. For the effort he make, Ole should have some plans.

After having that result we can say Ronaldo for Champions League and Champions League for Ronaldo he is magician his effort give some more relief to Ole because the days were numbered for him on this job, but these two results can give him some more time.

But, the big issue is defense which is still creating problems for them, they need to fix this if they want to have some better result in next games. Today in second half he was really on good target and achieve for his all efforts. After having this draw now they still have some better chance for next round even now their next match is also very crucial against Villarreal as it's playing away they need to have some better performance for this match as well.

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Quote from: KingsDen on November 03, 2021, 08:28:32 AM

I disagree. Can we honestly ask and answer ourselves these questions?
1. How successful was Manchester United before Ronaldo's arrival?
Answer: Manchester was struggling as usual.
2. What of Manchester United style of play before Ronaldo's arrival?
Answer: There was no style of play but reliance on individuals which made Bruno as a midfielder scored the most goal.
3. What style is Manchester United playing now.
Answer: Maybe Ronaldo style.
Ronaldo should be praised for the continuous redemption of Manchester United and not the reverse.

They were 2nd last season without Ronaldo.

I agree with some of your points though, Ronaldo has scored some huge goals for them already. The fact also remains that he is a man less in defence, they had to adapt their playstyle and they do look like a worse team overall than they were last season.

Ronaldo will do his part, that's what world class players do. However - I do think he wasn't the best fit for this United team, especially when he was brought in at such short notice.

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Quote from: ralle14 on November 03, 2021, 08:00:51 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on November 03, 2021, 06:15:34 AM

Liverpool winning big tonight should be difficult because... Diego Simeone

We'll see later today, I think they're in a good position to take the win at Anfield but yeah Atletico can still pose a threat even without Griezmann.

I also think Milan has a solid chance at winning since they really need all three if they plan on contesting the second slot.

I got both of them currently in a parlay and hopefully, both of them hits. Cheesy

inter must win today away at sheriff to take the important 2nd place in the group.
also ac milan must win to still have a theoretical possibility of the 1/8 finals.
if liverpool wins today's game against atletico, the first place is almost impossible to take away from the english team.
ajax can also make everything clear today with an away win in dortmund and qualify for the next round as top of the table.

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Quote from: tyz on November 03, 2021, 06:45:18 AM

Quote from: hd49728 on November 03, 2021, 05:06:46 AM

The stats of Ronaldo is amazing. He scored 5 goals for Manchester United in just 4 matches in Champions League. Without him, what position is for Manchester United?

The question should rather be how much more successful ManU would be without Ronaldo. The system of play has been changed by the signing him in such a way that it suits Ronaldo very well, but this deprives other players of their strength. Of course, Ronaldo can therefore always shine as a decision-maker, but basically at the expense of the team.
I'm convinced that ManU would be more successful than it currently is if Ronaldo wasn't in the team.

I disagree. Can we honestly ask and answer ourselves these questions?
1. How successful was Manchester United before Ronaldo's arrival?
Answer: Manchester was struggling as usual.
2. What of Manchester United style of play before Ronaldo's arrival?
Answer: There was no style of play but reliance on individuals which made Bruno as a midfielder scored the most goal.
3. What style is Manchester United playing now.
Answer: Maybe Ronaldo style.
Ronaldo should be praised for the continuous redemption of Manchester United and not the reverse.

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Quote from: slaman29 on November 03, 2021, 06:15:34 AM

Liverpool winning big tonight should be difficult because... Diego Simeone

We'll see later today, I think they're in a good position to take the win at Anfield but yeah Atletico can still pose a threat even without Griezmann.

I also think Milan has a solid chance at winning since they really need all three if they plan on contesting the second slot.

I got both of them currently in a parlay and hopefully, both of them hits. Cheesy

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 03, 2021, 07:51:41 AM

Last chance for Milan today - after straight losses in the first 3 games they are out if they don't beat Porto. Milan has 5 defeats in the CL in a row, their longest run in their history.

It is bad for Milan with the first season they return to Champions League. They are in exit gate but let's see how they can come back after all. Atalanta 2 seasons ago had the same situation but they went through it and finally had amazing journey in their first season in Champions League in their history.

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Liverpool is in a really good position, they will probably try to have a calm game against Atletico - who would be happy with a point from Anfield.

Liverpool are too strong in this season with superb form of Mo Salah but Atletico Madrid have enough resources to constraints The Kop and if Liverpool are careless, they can lose this match. A Madrid are one of most impressive clubs in Champions League last decade.

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Last chance for Milan today - after straight losses in the first 3 games they are out if they don't beat Porto. Milan has 5 defeats in the CL in a row, their longest run in their history.
Liverpool is in a really good position, they will probably try to have a calm game against Atletico - who would be happy with a point from Anfield.

It will be interesting to follow the Sheriff - Inter game as well, Inter demolished them in their last game but Sheriff is still ahead on the table. If they manage to stay unbeaten, Inter will be under huge pressure in the last 2 games.

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Sporting Lisbon will have home advantage when they play against Besiktas today, I think the odds payout @1.36 on Sporting Lisbon to win the match in full time against Besiktas is quite good. Besiktas have not been able to keep a clean sheet for most of their recent matches played, and I guess Sporting Lisbon should be able to beat Besiktas relatively easily again today.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on November 03, 2021, 06:51:42 AM

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I have no doubts about Juventus, we will see them in the semi-finals Grin

because here is their only hope
I have another feeling about today's match sheriff vs Inter Milan not so sure Inter won today my prediction is Sheriff win or draw, no reason just a personal hunch

would disagree about both, but not that much to put money on those

Juventus is having easy group, but they will be down after group stage, semi-final are far away
Inter should win against Sheriff, they are studied now, and it will not be easy for them to win, and against Inter does not matter is it home match or away, either way Inter will attack, and Sheriff will defend and try counter-attacks

Liverpool should be interesting tonight, and win should come

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Perfect points for Juventus and Bayern Munchen (12), confirmed both available for the next round. Lewandowski created Hat trick, no doubt for the Bavarian, they were good on all events. While Juventus even though badly on Serie A, but were good in the Champions League, seems they have to target for this. H group has domination Juventus and Chelsea, which possibly will follow Juventus, they need 1 more win or draw to go. Barcelona must get the win in the remaining matches because Benfica has the same chance.

Barcelona doesn't seem to find any obstacles there I'm sure they can secure 2nd place what caught my attention was group D Inter and Madrid still fighting for 2nd place
And Sheriff isn't safe at the top yet but their chances of qualifying are very open we will see the result today Sheriff vs Inter

It's quite nice to see Juventus have no obstacles in the UCL because then, the poor performance in Serie A can at least be covered and maybe it can be cured by their unbeaten achievement in the group stage in this UCL. Regarding group D, I still believe that Madrid and Inter will eventually fill the 1st and 2nd positions, for Sheriff Tiraspol I am also very confident that in the end Sheriff Tiraspol will only be in third place. Let's see the result later.

I have no doubts about Juventus, we will see them in the semi-finals Grin

because here is their only hope
I have another feeling about today's match sheriff vs Inter Milan not so sure Inter won today my prediction is Sheriff win or draw, no reason just a personal hunch

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Quote from: hd49728 on November 03, 2021, 05:06:46 AM

The stats of Ronaldo is amazing. He scored 5 goals for Manchester United in just 4 matches in Champions League. Without him, what position is for Manchester United?

The question should rather be how much more successful ManU would be without Ronaldo. The system of play has been changed by the signing him in such a way that it suits Ronaldo very well, but this deprives other players of their strength. Of course, Ronaldo can therefore always shine as a decision-maker, but basically at the expense of the team.
I'm convinced that ManU would be more successful than it currently is if Ronaldo wasn't in the team.

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Looking at their near head-to-head history, I see that they played against each other three times. And Barcelona won all of them. They won two of them by one goal and the other one was a 4-0 disaster for Dynamo Kiev. But this time is different of course. We don't have the same Barcelona now. So with these injuries, they have a tough job to do here. But maybe they can win with a one-goal difference.

Barcelona could be not as great as they used to be, but the reality is that we are talking about Barcelona here, no matter how bad they are and even without a manager they are still better than Kiev. This doesn't mean that we will not see Kiev win this time around, anything could happen because Barcelona is now closer but it is still Barcelona as favorites.

I am hoping to see something to improve during this situation. They got rid of Koeman, and yes they are not with a new manager yet but it is still clear that as long as Koeman is gone, players must need to prove that they are good and it was the manager that was the problem, if they keep losing more than people may think it was the players so they will play with the best their abilities.

At the end of a quite balanced match, Barcelona managed to win the match by one goal just as I expected (1-0). This result is really good and important for the team to gather strength for the coming matches. Maybe they still don't have a manager but they can maintain a streak by defeating Celta Vigo next. They have a nice lineup to do this and they just need to focus on it.

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