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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 27, 2023, 08:43:29 AM

Italy still has good chance of qualifying for the main tournament from Group C. Don't forget the fact that they have played one match less than Ukraine. So if they win against North Macedonia next month, then they are at the same level as Ukraine. And then it all comes down to the last match for both the teams, where they will play against each other at the BayArena at Leverkusen (20th November). BTW, some of the younger players in Italy has done a decent job till now. I am talking about Davide Frattesi, Domenico Berardi and Mateo Retegui.

Italy definitely has a chance but again the condition is that they will have to win all the matches that are left. They cannot make any mistake. The margin for error is non-existent for Italy right now. I will say that Italy has done decent enough so far. But I cannot already say that they deserve to qualify. They only deserve to qualify if they can qualify. And it is certainly not going to be easy for them. But even if they do qualify, I do not have much hope for the Italy team to be honest. It will actually be a good performance from them if they just manage to qualify.

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Italy still has good chance of qualifying for the main tournament from Group C. Don't forget the fact that they have played one match less than Ukraine. So if they win against North Macedonia next month, then they are at the same level as Ukraine. And then it all comes down to the last match for both the teams, where they will play against each other at the BayArena at Leverkusen (20th November). BTW, some of the younger players in Italy has done a decent job till now. I am talking about Davide Frattesi, Domenico Berardi and Mateo Retegui.

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Quote from: Spack17 on October 24, 2023, 04:45:07 PM

I understand people who have doubts Italy first of all. Because they haven't been much convincing in quite many matches so far. Even against Malta their performance wasn't that incredible although the final score was 4-0. We saw them struggling very much against England at the same time.

After all these performances their future in Euro 2024 is dependent on the North Macedonia match first. They have no choice other than winning it.

I know that their last two head-to-heads didn't end up with a win either. But in this critical situation I want to give Italy another chance to make it this time.

Yes, he played against Malta (low team), then when he played against England he lost in a truly brutal way.

Unfortunately you also have to understand from the point of view of an Italian who hasnt seen the World Cup or European Championships for a while and its very ugly and embarrassing.

The decline is constant and doesnt stop, and its not nice. For me is not nice for sure but i think is same for other italians.

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I understand people who have doubts Italy first of all. Because they haven't been much convincing in quite many matches so far. Even against Malta their performance wasn't that incredible although the final score was 4-0. We saw them struggling very much against England at the same time.

After all these performances their future in Euro 2024 is dependent on the North Macedonia match first. They have no choice other than winning it.

I know that their last two head-to-heads didn't end up with a win either. But in this critical situation I want to give Italy another chance to make it this time.

They first need to qualify of course and the situation is at least complicated, if not even really hard for them as Ukraine can't be underestimated as we have seen, but once Italy qualifies I think they would be able to show that they are a team which is strong enough to play a great tournament. They may not be as good as England and also not as well in shape as England is, but a tournament also has its impact on the players and on their performance levels. Sometimes it works a bit of magic and Italy, once qualified, should also be taken into account as one of the stronger teams there.

Of course every team that advances to the next round is the best and strongest team from each group.
However it is possible that later when the real tournament starts they might experience more significant changes in their playing because they have to face other really great teams.
For each of the top teams, such as England, Portugal, Spain and France, it might be a surprise because they are one of the teams that will dominate.

Just looking at the top teams playing in the qualifiers shows how good their game is.
And when they face each other in the play-off round, it will definitely look more competitive.

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Quote from: Gaza13 on October 24, 2023, 02:39:50 PM

Yes, of course I hope Italy doesn't lose against Macedonia later, this match will remind us all of yesterday's Qatar World Cup Playoff qualifiers, how the Italian team had a good composition of players in various lines and ultimately lost 0-1 which was won by Macedonia at the stadium. Palermo March 25 2022 ago. Will this happen again in the next match, will Macedonia prevent Italy from appearing in Germany, if yes, Italy will be a nightmare for their country.

Group C is perhaps the toughest of all the groups in Euro qualifiers. Some people argue that Group A (Spain/Scotland/Norway) should be given that label, but I humbly disagree. In Group C we have England and Ukraine at the top, followed by Italy at the 3rd position (although they have played one match less when compared to Ukraine). And then in 4th position we have North Macedonia who are well known for upset wins against top nations. The only weak team in this group is Malta. Macedonia has a history of shocking big teams. But back then they had Goran Pandeev in their squad. He was a legendary player, who unfortunately never got a chance to play in the FIFA World Cup.

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Quote from: Spack17 on October 24, 2023, 04:45:07 PM

I understand people who have doubts Italy first of all. Because they haven't been much convincing in quite many matches so far. Even against Malta their performance wasn't that incredible although the final score was 4-0. We saw them struggling very much against England at the same time.

After all these performances their future in Euro 2024 is dependent on the North Macedonia match first. They have no choice other than winning it.

I know that their last two head-to-heads didn't end up with a win either. But in this critical situation I want to give Italy another chance to make it this time.

They first need to qualify of course and the situation is at least complicated, if not even really hard for them as Ukraine can't be underestimated as we have seen, but once Italy qualifies I think they would be able to show that they are a team which is strong enough to play a great tournament. They may not be as good as England and also not as well in shape as England is, but a tournament also has its impact on the players and on their performance levels. Sometimes it works a bit of magic and Italy, once qualified, should also be taken into account as one of the stronger teams there.

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I understand people who have doubts Italy first of all. Because they haven't been much convincing in quite many matches so far. Even against Malta their performance wasn't that incredible although the final score was 4-0. We saw them struggling very much against England at the same time.

After all these performances their future in Euro 2024 is dependent on the North Macedonia match first. They have no choice other than winning it.

I know that their last two head-to-heads didn't end up with a win either. But in this critical situation I want to give Italy another chance to make it this time.

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Quote from: Gencecikmen on October 23, 2023, 11:28:11 AM

In the next 10 years, Bellingham may go down in football history like his idol football player Zinédine Zidane. He is a young, fast, dynamic, technical, talented and hardworking football player. He is also a football player open for improvement. He can achieve great success both in the national team and in Real Madrid. Both teams are suitable clubs to achieve success.

Since the early 90s, we have watched many iconic footballers who have left their mark on world football, who have left very good impressions on our memories and whose names we remember with longing today. We have witnessed their talents and extraordinary periods that we said "only they could do it". However, football has gained a dynamism in a completely different dimension that puts aside nostalgic discourses. Jude Bellingham is one of the most refined footballers this dynamism has produced. He plays very minimally with the ball at his feet, he knows exactly where he needs to be without the ball and his football intelligence, his style of play, his speed, his technique definitely reminds me of Zidane. I think he is a very special footballer.

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Yes, I agree with what you said about Groups A and B, G, H, I, and J. Yes, in group C I think so too, Italy still has the last 2 matches, North Macedonia, in the next match Italy must win to narrow down the number of points against Ukraine in the standings, if Italy loses against North Macedonia then it's over for Italy . In fact, Ukraine will be more enthusiastic about facing Italy in the next match at the end of the match.

Group D, if you look at Croatia's last 2 matches, Croatia is far superior in winning every match Compared to Wales, Wales in the last match will be against Türkiye. Group E, the top 3 candidates in the team standings, still have a chance to become group winners and group runners-up.

I definitely don't expect Italy to lose to North Macedonia. Macedonia doesn't have much purpose left and I don't think they will give Italy a hard time.

Yes, of course I hope Italy doesn't lose against Macedonia later, this match will remind us all of yesterday's Qatar World Cup Playoff qualifiers, how the Italian team had a good composition of players in various lines and ultimately lost 0-1 which was won by Macedonia at the stadium. Palermo March 25 2022 ago. Will this happen again in the next match, will Macedonia prevent Italy from appearing in Germany, if yes, Italy will be a nightmare for their country.

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Quote from: Gencecikmen on October 23, 2023, 11:28:11 AM

In the next 10 years, Bellingham may go down in football history like his idol football player Zinédine Zidane. He is a young, fast, dynamic, technical, talented and hardworking football player. He is also a football player open for improvement. He can achieve great success both in the national team and in Real Madrid. Both teams are suitable clubs to achieve success.

And this is all about health. Usually players like Bellingham who are not in between being a talent or a superstar anymore, will go down in history unless they become susceptible to injuries and miss a ton of games. The best example here might be Eden Hazard. That guy would have gone down in history without a doubt if his knee didn't cross his plans and ambitions. Bellingham is too good to just decline in performance and disappear. But health issues can stop a world star talent from becoming a world star and remain a talent.

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Quote from: Gencecikmen on October 18, 2023, 10:08:19 AM

England defeated Italy 3-1. Hary Kane scored 2 goals and Marcus Rashford scored 1 goal. Harry Kane to give his 61th goal in his 87th appearance with National Team. I wasn't surprised to see England win because the lineup of England it so sensationally good, in the offense were star players like Bellingham, Rashford, Foden and Kane.

Ukraine will take 2nd place in the group while Italy had to drop to 3rd position. Things are not going well for Italy.

England seems to be untouchable this season. England thrashed Italy because there's definitely no competitive squad competent enough to level the fire energy of Gareth Southgate men. Harry Kane, Jude Bellingham and Marcus Rashford was on fire in the game against Italy. They all have good contributions concerning the goals and are outstanding in every game they're featured in. The main objective left for Southgate is to have positive impacts on these players and he will ensured he's able to elevate his team's performance to the next level.

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Quote from: FanEagle on October 21, 2023, 03:08:52 PM

Some groups are easier than the others, while there are teams better than leaders of other groups end up being second or even third because they end up in a harder group. Like for example in group D, Turkey is great, Croatia is great and Wales is great, only two of the three will go out, whereas group H for example, Slovenia seems like the best one? That doesn't make sense, any of the three in the group D would lead that group easily if they draw the groups better.

This is why I keep saying that we need to have like some big league, like one league that everyone plays each other just once, I know that would be a lot of games but that would make it fair and everyone would show their true talents and nobody would be going up with just pure group draw luck.

or it would be enough to halve the number of groups from 10 to 5 with 3 groups of 11 national teams and 2 groups of 10 national teams. single game and all against all. 4 teams pass in the groups, we will still find ourselves with 20 national teams in the final phase of the tournament

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Quote from: FanEagle on October 21, 2023, 03:08:52 PM

Some groups are easier than the others, while there are teams better than leaders of other groups end up being second or even third because they end up in a harder group. Like for example in group D, Turkey is great, Croatia is great and Wales is great, only two of the three will go out, whereas group H for example, Slovenia seems like the best one? That doesn't make sense, any of the three in the group D would lead that group easily if they draw the groups better.

This is why I keep saying that we need to have like some big league, like one league that everyone plays each other just once, I know that would be a lot of games but that would make it fair and everyone would show their true talents and nobody would be going up with just pure group draw luck.

Of course, previous country successes are also effective in these draws. Croatia and Wales were matched because they came from the first two places in the group. The expectations were for it to be a less strong country than Turkey, but since Turkey participated in the elimination round from the quota of low-ranking countries, there were suddenly three strong teams in that group. Türkiye participated from the fourth pot in the draw and is currently the group leader. I think there is no other group leader from the fourth pot participating in the eliminations. The teams participating from the fourth pot were Georgia, Greece, Turkey, Kazakhstan, Luxembourg, Azerbaijan, Kosovo, Bulgaria, Faroe Islands and North Macedonia. It was unfortunate for Croatia and Wales that they saw the strongest team in the group.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 24, 2023, 02:49:05 AM

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Some groups are easier than the others, while there are teams better than leaders of other groups end up being second or even third because they end up in a harder group. Like for example in group D, Turkey is great, Croatia is great and Wales is great, only two of the three will go out, whereas group H for example, Slovenia seems like the best one? That doesn't make sense, any of the three in the group D would lead that group easily if they draw the groups better.

This is why I keep saying that we need to have like some big league, like one league that everyone plays each other just once, I know that would be a lot of games but that would make it fair and everyone would show their true talents and nobody would be going up with just pure group draw luck.

Looks easier than they should be, because many of the teams are out of form. But there is no doubt that Groups A (Spain/Scotland/Norway), B (France/Netherlands/Greece) and C (England/Ukraine/Italy) are extremely tough. On the other hand, competition is not that great in groups J (as a result of poor form from Iceland and Bosnia), I (only Romania and Switzerland are strong teams), E (Albania/Czechia) and H (Only Slovenia and Danmark as strong teams). The only solution for this is to have a second-tier qualification through playoffs for those teams who are ranked 3rd in all the groups (they have this system, but for Euro 2024 only three teams qualify from playoffs).

Most teams when the draw was held were not supposed to top their group like Albania for example as there are Czech Republic and Poland,clearly stronger teams on paper than Albania but what this shows is that there are no more weaker teams from most of Europe,sure there are Gibraltar,Lichtenstein and similar teams who are far from competing though except them I don't know any weaker team from Europe and this is very good overall for European football which shows even weak teams have improved a lot.

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Quote from: FanEagle on October 21, 2023, 03:08:52 PM

Some groups are easier than the others, while there are teams better than leaders of other groups end up being second or even third because they end up in a harder group. Like for example in group D, Turkey is great, Croatia is great and Wales is great, only two of the three will go out, whereas group H for example, Slovenia seems like the best one? That doesn't make sense, any of the three in the group D would lead that group easily if they draw the groups better.

This is why I keep saying that we need to have like some big league, like one league that everyone plays each other just once, I know that would be a lot of games but that would make it fair and everyone would show their true talents and nobody would be going up with just pure group draw luck.

Looks easier than they should be, because many of the teams are out of form. But there is no doubt that Groups A (Spain/Scotland/Norway), B (France/Netherlands/Greece) and C (England/Ukraine/Italy) are extremely tough. On the other hand, competition is not that great in groups J (as a result of poor form from Iceland and Bosnia), I (only Romania and Switzerland are strong teams), E (Albania/Czechia) and H (Only Slovenia and Danmark as strong teams). The only solution for this is to have a second-tier qualification through playoffs for those teams who are ranked 3rd in all the groups (they have this system, but for Euro 2024 only three teams qualify from playoffs).

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Quote from: FanEagle on October 21, 2023, 03:08:52 PM

Some groups are easier than the others, while there are teams better than leaders of other groups end up being second or even third because they end up in a harder group. Like for example in group D, Turkey is great, Croatia is great and Wales is great, only two of the three will go out, whereas group H for example, Slovenia seems like the best one? That doesn't make sense, any of the three in the group D would lead that group easily if they draw the groups better.

Each group will have two or three teams that are strong enough to dominate every match and they are fighting for position to advance to the next round.
In this group qualification it is clear who will be able to qualify for the next round because the matches in the group qualification phase are almost finished.
When we enter the play-off round until the final we will witness truly stunning matches from each team competing.

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This is why I keep saying that we need to have like some big league, like one league that everyone plays each other just once, I know that would be a lot of games but that would make it fair and everyone would show their true talents and nobody would be going up with just pure group draw luck.

I still don't understand what you mean by this.

But I think the draw in each group has really been fair and only the strongest will be able to take the lead and maintain their position in this possibly quite fierce competition.
I think so far there have been no problems whatsoever in the draws for each Euro event which is held every four years.

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England defeated Italy 3-1. Hary Kane scored 2 goals and Marcus Rashford scored 1 goal. Harry Kane to give his 61th goal in his 87th appearance with National Team. I wasn't surprised to see England win because the lineup of England it so sensationally good, in the offense were star players like Bellingham, Rashford, Foden and Kane.

Ukraine will take 2nd place in the group while Italy had to drop to 3rd position. Things are not going well for Italy.

Having these four names you mentioned on the team as offensive players is quite impressive. They have all very complementary qualities and Bellingham fits perfectly into this formation because he does the same for England as he is doing for Real Madrid. I believe his biggest strength is that he knows how to play his position defensively despite being positioned in the offensive part of the formation. Kane is a great striker with enormous efficiency and Foden and Rashford can speed up the game incredibly fast and with a high technical level. I am not sure what more you could ask for. They are one of the favorites in my opinion.

If Bellingham continues at this level, it seems that he will not leave the Ballon D'Or award to anyone easily in the coming years! As long as there is a Real Lobby behind such a talented and successful player, his rivals will have a harder job.

It was a disgrace for Italy, famous for its defence. The Italian number six played a big part in the second goal. He walks into the defence and makes way for Rashford to pass. In the third goal, the number 19 was not even as combative as a wild donkey against the lion Kane. Weak teams can do this kind of defence.

England played like a storm. It was by far the most spectacular match I've seen in the Euro 2024 qualifiers. The first half, the Italy team's sequence of passing the ball back and forth like 2012 Barcelona with single passes to the feet in some parts was also marvellous.

In the next 10 years, Bellingham may go down in football history like his idol football player Zinédine Zidane. He is a young, fast, dynamic, technical, talented and hardworking football player. He is also a football player open for improvement. He can achieve great success both in the national team and in Real Madrid. Both teams are suitable clubs to achieve success.

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Quote from: FanEagle on October 21, 2023, 03:08:52 PM

Some groups are easier than the others, while there are teams better than leaders of other groups end up being second or even third because they end up in a harder group. Like for example in group D, Turkey is great, Croatia is great and Wales is great, only two of the three will go out, whereas group H for example, Slovenia seems like the best one? That doesn't make sense, any of the three in the group D would lead that group easily if they draw the groups better.

This is why I keep saying that we need to have like some big league, like one league that everyone plays each other just once, I know that would be a lot of games but that would make it fair and everyone would show their true talents and nobody would be going up with just pure group draw luck.

I think Turkey's good performance after long-term failures is a surprise for everyone (not the same as in the case of Albania, but still) so I would say that all groups are +- equal.
As for a round-robin tournament for all teams, how do you imagine this? 53 teams play a round-robin tournament, let’s say even just one round (although this is unfair since playing at home and away are different things). In total, each team must play 52 games Grin

In order for this to happen in an adequate time frame, other tournaments must be shortened (and significantly), for example, national championships must also be held in one round.

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Yes, I agree with what you said about Groups A and B, G, H, I, and J. Yes, in group C I think so too, Italy still has the last 2 matches, North Macedonia, in the next match Italy must win to narrow down the number of points against Ukraine in the standings, if Italy loses against North Macedonia then it's over for Italy . In fact, Ukraine will be more enthusiastic about facing Italy in the next match at the end of the match.

Group D, if you look at Croatia's last 2 matches, Croatia is far superior in winning every match Compared to Wales, Wales in the last match will be against Türkiye. Group E, the top 3 candidates in the team standings, still have a chance to become group winners and group runners-up.

I definitely don't expect Italy to lose to North Macedonia. Macedonia doesn't have much purpose left and I don't think they will give Italy a hard time. Italy will want to go to Ukraine with equal points at least. That way they will be in a better mood, but even if they are not, I think they will beat Ukraine anyway.
Croatia's exit from the group is a bit of a problem, but I think they have an equal chance with Wales. If Turkey beat Wales, Croatia will have a clear chance to get out of the group.

England have already secured their own spot in next year's European championship but who joins the Three Lions to progress from the group C has still not been decided as both Ukraine and Italy are still very much in contention on who joins England to qualify from the group.
Italy are currently third with 10 points but has played one game fewer than second placed Ukraine who already has 13 points which means that Italy will be level on points with Ukraine if they win their outstanding game with North Macedonia. There's still a lot to play for both teams as the battle for who joins England to qualify from that group continues

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But even if England were able to bring in Pep Guardiola, that still wouldn't guarantee the win of trophies. I think when you compare the best few teams there are in Europe and in the world right now, it would always be a thrilling matchup. Whether it is Argentina vs. France or France vs. England or Spain vs. a team like Croatia or Brazil. There it is not always about one team being 2% better than the other. Moments decide games, a free kick, a penalty that may or may not have been awarded. The way to the final and then to win it is not only in the hands of the coach or the players, it also has to do with very little events during a game.

Agreed. Just like Harry Kane had a penalty to score to keep them on in the game against France during the FIFA World Cup but failed to do so. Pep Guardiola's a top notch manager in the world. This English players have qualities all they need is a sounds and tactical genius to lead the boys. Pep Guardiola would want it.

I am really not a fan of oversimplification and while I am absolutely sure that Pep Guardiola can improve every team, he is also up against the same conditions and specific circumstances that lead to a win or a loss. Nobody talks about a game 10 years later when it was won with a lucky goal. History is written and it says team X is the Euro winner or Champions League winner, and it doesn't matter anymore whether the goal was offside or not. I know offside can't happen anymore (oh well, Liverpool in the Premier League? Tongue

), but these minor things are unpredictable. That's why being a tactical genius doesn't make you the winner. But it gives you an advantage and I hope one day Guardiola will coach a national team.

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