Topic: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers - page 363. (Read 46455 times)

You keep being biased against Argentina  "Destroyed" by Argentina is that what they call a miserable lottery win now? 
Regarding Croatia, I think the bookies rate them so low because this team is on a downtrend (due to age), while the Netherlands, on the contrary, have a young team and theoretically they should be getting stronger. I can’t say anything about Denmark, but the fact that they haven’t won anything for a long time is not an argument for European teams - there is too much competition and even top teams can be without titles for decades.

LOL.. Croatia is far ahead of the other two. When was the last time that Danmark performed well in a major international tournament? The same goes for Netherlands as well. These two are dying teams within the UEFA confederation. Danmark failed to win even a single match during FIFA World Cup of 2022. They lost to Australia and France, and then were held by Tunisia for a goalless draw. Netherlands somehow managed to get to the round of 16, partly due to their karate and MMA skills on field. But in the quarter-finals, they got destroyed by Argentina.

I didn't agree with the Mirror's list, and it's not even a German newspaper, it's British
They made this post on March 23, 2023, so it is very up to date and they are really considering Germany as favorite.

In this list you posted, for example, again I don't agree with Croatia behind Denmark. Netherlands I even consider with more chances among the 3. Now Germany must be with good chances probably because they play at home. But this list you posted is more accurate, I agree

These lists are nice for us to discuss and feel how the feeling is towards these teams, but I will only place the bets for real the day before the competition starts and the match I am betting on.
Until the first match, a lot can change, and I will give a simple example, if Mbapée gets injured, will France still be favorites?


I have followed the England national team quite a bit and they have had very good teams that have won practically nothing, teams with Beckham, Terry, Lampard, Owen, Rooney etc
I see this current team as an excellent one, well balanced, defense, middle, and attack with great players, and a differential that is Harry Kane, who solves difficult matches. Maybe it's time to forget Maguire.
Today the English championship is in my opinion the most difficult in Europe, and this is helping the national team.
I'd rather England win that Euro 2024 than France.

Yes, Germany should be quoted much closer to Spain, which has already lost its greatness and is now assessed more or less objectively. But here I don’t even know how to evaluate such high odds from bookmakers - maybe the Germans (and by the way, many other people for historical reasons) bet on Germany, so the bookmakers take into account this cash flow. After all, Germany is many times richer than Spain, so here we see a bias in quotes.

This is more likely, Germany to be considered the best right now? You need to be dreaming and been asleep for 10 years in order to think like that, they haven't been the best for such a long time and that will not be possible. Unless something shocking happens then we are going to end up seeing France win this all, and that will be the best thing ever for them. I know that it is going to end up with something much more major and that should be the key point here but that doesn't change the fact that we can't see France as the highest favorites.

England is the same way and should be considered great but as we have seen from them before, sometimes they play so badly that they are not even anywhere in the elimination phase. Hopefully we see nothing shocking and the best teams go at each other.

Strange grades. For example, here are the ratings from Stake:

France 6.00
England 6.50
Germany 6.50
Spain 9.50
Portugal 11.00
Italy 12.00
Belgium 14.00
Netherlands 15.00
Denmark 23.00
Croatia 31.00
https://stake.com/sports/outright/soccer/international/european-championship/42572755-euro-cup-2024

In my opinion the second list is more accurate. Of course, I also disagree with such a low assessment of Croatia and I think that Croatia, Denmark and the Netherlands should be quoted equally. Otherwise, everything is more or less fair, especially given the randomness of what is happening in the playoffs.

England always start as a favorite in almost all tournaments but the fact is that they have only won 1 World Cup so far and 1 European Cup and I am not even sure about this second one,meaning that most of the times it is all about hype and when it comes to performing on the field they usually fail to deliver and the funny thing is that they usually have some of the best players,let me remember you the 2002 with Owen and company and they failed to deliver in that event.

Other teams like Italy are more pragmatic and we have the latest Euro where Italy won it after beating England in the final and the final was even played in England,that shows that hype does not win you games and as such for me England is no real favorite in this upcoming Euro 2024.

England is one of the favorite teams of every tournament. France is one of the best teams in Europe. When I look at this tournament, I see many candidates. Italy, France, England, Croatia are the teams that can play well. There are also ecole teams such as Germany and Belgium. An organization that attracts as much attention as the world cup. I can't wait for it to start.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound when you post this? It is like saying that Anthony Elanga and Alejandro Garnacho are better than Cristiano Ronaldo, just because the former bunch plays for Manchester United, while CR7 plays for Al Nassr (let me know if you have the same opinion). Just because a particular player is not selected by ManU or RealM doesn't mean that they are bad. In club football, a lot of focus is on forwards. Usually the clubs don't spend a lot of money on goal-keepers. One exception is Manchester United, where David De Gea receives £19,500,000 per year.

First of all, let's get a few things straight. Why did I say that Livakovic is one of the best goalkeepers in the world? Because according to almost all statistical indicators, it was he, not Martinez, who was the best goalkeeper of the World Cup in Qatar, especially in terms of the number of saves.
For most neutral analysts, it is obvious that the main reason why Martinez was declared the best goalkeeper of the world championship is the fact that Argentina became the world champion and Croatia was third in the world cup.
In addition, it is really an exaggeration to say that Croatia achieved better results in the last 2 world cups and in the last League of Nations competition compared to the quality of its team, then that would really be a world miracle. 
Is it really so difficult to admit to Croats that they are a quality and strong team, with players who play in the best clubs in the world such as Real, Bayer, Chelsea, Inter and others, and that they are not a one man show (Modrić)?
Many other national teams in the world have team spirit, but in order to continuously play in the finals and semi-finals of the biggest world and European competitions, you need to have something more than team spirit, and that is the quality of the team.

funny that in the past i questioned myself why belgium was at the top of the world ranking of the national teams, i just didn't accept the way the national teams were, then the world cup came and clearly showed how many teams in the ranking didn't deserve to be in certain positions, now I see that argentina is at the top, then comes france, then comes brazil in position 3, and once again to my surprise i see belgium in position 4, it is unbelievable that england is in position 5 and croatia in position 7. i wonder where is belgium better than england? I just don't see Belgium being better than England

in the world cup belgium had a bad performance, so we'll see if they can make it to the euro and how far they will be able to get in the euro, in my opinion lukaku is not as good as he was in the past before he returned to play for chelsea , I agree that De Bruyne is undoubtedly a great player for Manchester City and that he creates many problems for opponents, but a team needs many other players to be playing well to have good results and in my opinion I don't see Belgium getting very far in the euro and I can't even understand why the hell they are in position number 4 in the fifa ranking

You may, that is your own opinion and nobody could argue that, you could even think he is the best goalkeeper that ever played, nobody can do anything about it, it's your thoughts. But that guy is 28 years old and goalkeeper for Dinamo Zagreb, Ter Stegen is goalkeeper for Barcelona, and De Gea is goalkeeper for Manchester United, which shows you that the world of football do not agree with you. That doesn't mean you should change your view, you can think whatever you want to think, nobody can do anything about that, but football world do not agree with you and I agree with them not agreeing with you.

If a goalkeeper is at Dinamo Zagreb at 28, and the other is at United, I am sorry but I will think that there is a vast difference between them, and that is what the football world thinks too.

Just because of a few fancy saves at world cup won't change that. Maybe he will leave to a better team at the end of this year, but he will be 29 by the time he plays at a better club, still not a big achievement like other names I mentioned.

Dominik Livakovi, unquestionably one of the world's dopest goalkeepers, is in the house. He gave you a good vibe with his top 10 ranking. Seriously though, Croatia vs. Brazil in Qatar in 2022 - that guy was a beast!

You may be comparing him to Wojciech Szczesny, Yassine Bounou, and Emi Martinez right now, but hold on. They may even be tied, but Livakovi still has that competitive fervor. Perhaps he isn't with a major club yet, but don't underestimate his abilities.

And let's be honest, you are genuinely showing some love to De Gea, Ederson, and Alisson. They may be winning championships with their teams, but that doesn't mean Livakovi is being outdone. While carrying his squad on his back, Livakovi is supported by a major player.

Again, I need to disagree. In my opinion, Livaković is at the same league as Marc-André ter Stegen or David de Gea. The fact that he is playing for Dinamo Zagreb should not be used as a tool to attack him. He is playing for them since 2015 and the reason maybe that he just want to stay in Croatia. Anyway, I would stick to my arguments. Without Livaković it was not possible for Croatia to get past Brazil during the quarter-finals of Qatar 2022. During regular time, he made some spectacular saves, and the way he saved the penalty kick from Rodrygo was just amazing.

Those names you named could be around the same level, I am not arguing about that, and top 10 is a stretch but I can put him at 10th place. But remember that this is a dude that played in Croatia national team and Dinamo Zagreb, no big team so far and he is already 28. If he was one of the best, he would have been bought by a big club already.

Ederson, Alison, De gea, Courtouis, Lloris, Der Stegen, Neuer, there are many goalkeepers I could still name that are better than him, these players played at the top teams and won top awards with their teams and they deserve to be considered much better than Livakovic without a doubt, they are definitely not even close in talent, I would consider livakovic one level below those type of big club goalkeepers and still good, just not as good as them.

I would consider Dominik Livaković as one of the best goal-keepers in the world right now. And you are admitting that you would include him in the top-10 list. In case he is in top-10, then automatically he becomes one of the best, right? What separates Livaković from others such as Emi Martinez, Yassine Bounou and Wojciech Szczesny? I can't find anything. IMO, he is at the same level as them. Do you remember the match between Croatia and Brazil during Qatar 2022? Croatia won the match mainly because of Livaković. Unfortunate that he didn't got the Golden Glove.

I think the analysis forgets the fact that the names he replaced are much better than the players that they have now. Sure they have some good players, but to say Livakovic as one of the best goalkeepers in the world now? That seems like overrating him a bit, maybe barely top 10, but that's it.

To say the least, they have a roster value that is matching teams that are not even in the world cup, surely they played better than their roster value but that is exactly the reason why they are doing good. They do not have great players, they never did, they had a few here and there, but none of their players were stars aside from Modric, who is the sole ballon d'or winner during Ronaldo/Messi domination period, but this game is played with 11, so they had 10 other players who were not really finalist level good. The thing that makes Croatio good is not the players, it's the team spirit they play with.

I was researching about the odds of each country in the next Euro, and the Mirror website have already made an estimate, I'll only post the top 10:

• Germany - 5/1
• France - 6/1
• England - 6/1
• Spain - 7/1
• Italy - 9/1
• Portugal - 10/1
• Netherlands - 12/1
• Belgium - 14/1
• Denmark - 20/1
• Croatia - 33/1

Source

What do you think guys?
In my opinion France is the favorite one, followed by England, and Croatia definitely is not in the 10th place of favorites, maybe in 4th or 5th.
And Denmark is not more favorite than Croatia or Switzerland for example...

So my list is different than this 

First of all thanks for the detailed reply. Excellent analysis, I should say. I don't know whether I will agree with the last sentence though. Winning the Euro Cup in 2024 will be a huge achievement, but I don't know whether I should consider them as one of the favorites. I went through your reply a few times, and then asked this question to myself - why not Croatia? When we talk about teams that are considered as the favorites to win Euro 2024, we always talk about France, Italy, Spain, England and even Germany. Croatia has been pretty consistent over the last decade or so, but a lot of people have difficulty in placing them at the same league as the other favorites. And I suspect this has to do with issues other than football. Croatia is a small country with 4 million people. It is difficult to imagine that they can perform at the same level as France or England.

I also want to believe in Belgium to do a nice work at least in the qualifiers. They have a Lukaku who has been in great shape recently. His latest performance in the qualifiers was also very impressive. Maybe he was disappointing in the latest World Cup and maintained this bad look for a while later on too. But now it seems like he has found his rhythm. His scoring contribution is so valuable for this team now.

I have also heard about the arguments between some players. But this team shouldn't just be the victim of this kind of mutual problems. There are great players like Lukaku, De Bruyne and many more in the squad. This combination deserves to play for a title indeed. Chemistry is everything for a team so they need to keep their chemistry level as high as possible.