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I can't believe it how come Italy is the winner last EURO edition is not favorite for winning EURO 2024? seems crazy with this odds predicting because Italy success defeated England in final last EURO 2020 is not favorite team? however not qualify in World Cup 2022 its not comparison why Italy have bigger odds or not favorite in EURO 2024. I think beside Germany as host keep believing with magician from  Italy success back to back winning EURO.

I would agree with this argument. Italy may not be as strong as France (or even England, despite the fact that they destroyed England during the finals of Euro 2020). But there is no way Italy can be placed so much below teams like Germany. I guess a lot of people tend to ignore Italy, since they were not there in Qatar 2022. Italy has remained out of spotlight for some time. I would say that Italy is one of the favorites to win Euro Cup this time and they have a good team balance and team bonding unlike some of the other top teams in this competition.

I don't agree that Italy is one of the favorites for winning the title. France, Spain and England definitely have much more chances to win the title. Italian league may be one of the best European leagues, but their national team is not what it was. They may have won the title in 2020, but that was three years ago and things are completely different now. England beat them in Italy last month in the qualifications. You can't say that Italy is a better team than England just because they won a game three years ago.

@tazmantasik Italy’s form went down the drain and if you see their last few matches their performance was really bad, hence I’m not at all surprised to see those odds for them. Also for me France and England are the obvious favourites, but as I have seen in the past that the favourites don’t always win so there’s yet hope for Italy to win and impress us like they used to do in the past.
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I can't believe it how come Italy is the winner last EURO edition is not favorite for winning EURO 2024? seems crazy with this odds predicting because Italy success defeated England in final last EURO 2020 is not favorite team? however not qualify in World Cup 2022 its not comparison why Italy have bigger odds or not favorite in EURO 2024. I think beside Germany as host keep believing with magician from  Italy success back to back winning EURO.

I would agree with this argument. Italy may not be as strong as France (or even England, despite the fact that they destroyed England during the finals of Euro 2020). But there is no way Italy can be placed so much below teams like Germany. I guess a lot of people tend to ignore Italy, since they were not there in Qatar 2022. Italy has remained out of spotlight for some time. I would say that Italy is one of the favorites to win Euro Cup this time and they have a good team balance and team bonding unlike some of the other top teams in this competition.

I don't agree that Italy is one of the favorites for winning the title. France, Spain and England definitely have much more chances to win the title. Italian league may be one of the best European leagues, but their national team is not what it was. They may have won the title in 2020, but that was three years ago and things are completely different now. England beat them in Italy last month in the qualifications. You can't say that Italy is a better team than England just because they won a game three years ago.
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I can't believe it how come Italy is the winner last EURO edition is not favorite for winning EURO 2024? seems crazy with this odds predicting because Italy success defeated England in final last EURO 2020 is not favorite team? however not qualify in World Cup 2022 its not comparison why Italy have bigger odds or not favorite in EURO 2024. I think beside Germany as host keep believing with magician from  Italy success back to back winning EURO.

I would agree with this argument. Italy may not be as strong as France (or even England, despite the fact that they destroyed England during the finals of Euro 2020). But there is no way Italy can be placed so much below teams like Germany. I guess a lot of people tend to ignore Italy, since they were not there in Qatar 2022. Italy has remained out of spotlight for some time. I would say that Italy is one of the favorites to win Euro Cup this time and they have a good team balance and team bonding unlike some of the other top teams in this competition.
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By the way, the gap between France and the other two competitors is not so great:

Italy 12.00

In general, this is probably a fair assessment, the only thing that is clearly out of place is Spain - it seems to me that they showed dull football at the World Cup and it is unlikely that anything will change in two years. I don’t understand why they are better than the Netherlands or Italy.
I can't believe it how come Italy is the winner last EURO edition is not favorite for winning EURO 2024? seems crazy with this odds predicting because Italy success defeated England in final last EURO 2020 is not favorite team? however not qualify in World Cup 2022 its not comparison why Italy have bigger odds or not favorite in EURO 2024. I think beside Germany as host keep believing with magician from  Italy success back to back winning EURO.
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By the way, the gap between France and the other two competitors is not so great:

France 6.00

Germany 6.50

England 6.75


Spain 9.00

Portugal 11.00

Italy 12.00

Belgium 14.00

Netherlands 15.00

In general, this is probably a fair assessment, the only thing that is clearly out of place is Spain - it seems to me that they showed dull football at the World Cup and it is unlikely that anything will change in two years. I don’t understand why they are better than the Netherlands or Italy.

Don't want to say anything offensive, but the odds look batshit crazy to me. Hardly any difference between France and Germany? Germany ahead of England? Seriously? And then Portugal ahead of Italy. IMO, France should be well ahead of all the other teams and England should be in second position. I checked the odds in a few sportsbooks that I use, and Germany is being given very favorable odds in all of them. I don't understand this. Germany is a dying team and they performed very poorly during Qatar 2022. I agree that they will be having the home advantage. But how much that is going to help them? 

There are a couple of odds that seem to be off. I think England should at least be equal to Germany, but rather ahead as you say. And Spain can never be that far behind either. I don't know if they overvalue the home advantage that much? The last time that a national team won the European Championship in their own country was in 1984 in France. It can't be the home advantage that the bookies value so high. Even Belgium is underrated in my opinion. These are some weird odds and France should be a clear favorite. 
Straight up, I'm with you on France being the clear-cut faves. They got a sick squad that knows how to bring it in big matches. But don't go sleeping on the other teams either.
Germany might not be at their peak, but they still pack a punch. And England's got some legit potential, especially if they can get their act together after their meh performance in Qatar.

As for Belgium, I think they still got a shot at making some noise in the tourney. Yeah, they might not be at their best anymore, but they still got some serious talent. And you know what they say about sports, anything can happen. Upsets and surprises are what make the game tight! Overall, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about the upcoming tourney. There are some strong teams out there, but I think it's gonna be a dope showcase of pure talent and skill.
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There are a couple of odds that seem to be off. I think England should at least be equal to Germany, but rather ahead as you say. And Spain can never be that far behind either. I don't know if they overvalue the home advantage that much? The last time that a national team won the European Championship in their own country was in 1984 in France. It can't be the home advantage that the bookies value so high. Even Belgium is underrated in my opinion. These are some weird odds and France should be a clear favorite. 

I say this repeatedly here (that France is far ahead of the others), but other folks don't agree with me. And I agree with you on the home advantage factor. With or without the home advantage, Germany is a shit team. I don't have a very good opinion about England (especially after their poor performance in the Qatar 2022), but at least I could agree that they are far ahead of Germany. However, I can't agree with you on Belgium. Their peak years are behind them and with the downfall of Lukaku, they are out of contention for Euro 2024.

I am not saying that Belgium is a favorite for the European Championship title, they are not. I related my assessments/statements with Germany's odds and not too long ago Belgium played against Germany and even though it was a friendly game, Belgium dominated the starting phase of the game very hard.

So again Belgium is no favorite, but is Belgium a 14.00 when Germany is a 6.50? I think that is definitely wrong. The odds should be much closer for many teams with an obvious edge for France. But Germany doesn't have a strong team now and they won't be able to change everything until the tournament starts. It could even be a disadvantage that they are the hosts because they have no functioning team, but also no really serious games because they are auto-qualified. It is hard to test your team under competitive conditions when you have no serious games.
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There are a couple of odds that seem to be off. I think England should at least be equal to Germany, but rather ahead as you say. And Spain can never be that far behind either. I don't know if they overvalue the home advantage that much? The last time that a national team won the European Championship in their own country was in 1984 in France. It can't be the home advantage that the bookies value so high. Even Belgium is underrated in my opinion. These are some weird odds and France should be a clear favorite. 
I say this repeatedly here (that France is far ahead of the others), but other folks don't agree with me. And I agree with you on the home advantage factor. With or without the home advantage, Germany is a shit team. I don't have a very good opinion about England (especially after their poor performance in the Qatar 2022), but at least I could agree that they are far ahead of Germany. However, I can't agree with you on Belgium. Their peak years are behind them and with the downfall of Lukaku, they are out of contention for Euro 2024.
I agree with you. France is nowhere near anyone else's level, they are far better and they "should" win it. Obviously as per anything could happen in football and they may end up losing on a bad game, sometimes the performance doesn't show the talent and some teams end up playing worse than how they could, and lose games they should win, if something like that happens then we could see France not have a good result, that is understandable and if the other people say that then I agree with them.

But in any other normal condition, it is obvious that France has a much better talent pool right now than any other team in the cup, they should be winning not only euro 2024, but I think they will probably win world cup 2026 as well with this team.
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The ideal opportunity for Germany to take revenge for the series of disappointing tournaments in recent years. And I mean both the European Championship and the World Cup. If Germany is allowed to play all matches in Germany, then that should give a huge boost in every match. They have a very talented but also young selection. Players like Kroos are on their way out and will have to make way for the youth. I don't know how good Germany is at the moment, but with the current squad they are certainly not favorites for the title. The coach will also have a considerable influence on the results and subsequently the way of playing.

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By the way, the gap between France and the other two competitors is not so great:

France 6.00

Germany 6.50

England 6.75


Spain 9.00

Portugal 11.00

Italy 12.00

Belgium 14.00

Netherlands 15.00

In general, this is probably a fair assessment, the only thing that is clearly out of place is Spain - it seems to me that they showed dull football at the World Cup and it is unlikely that anything will change in two years. I don’t understand why they are better than the Netherlands or Italy.

Don't want to say anything offensive, but the odds look batshit crazy to me. Hardly any difference between France and Germany? Germany ahead of England? Seriously? And then Portugal ahead of Italy. IMO, France should be well ahead of all the other teams and England should be in second position. I checked the odds in a few sportsbooks that I use, and Germany is being given very favorable odds in all of them. I don't understand this. Germany is a dying team and they performed very poorly during Qatar 2022. I agree that they will be having the home advantage. But how much that is going to help them? 

Perhaps your comments would make more sense if it was a round robin tournament, but this is a tournament where everything is decided in the playoffs and there is a lot of randomness here - a lot depends on who gets into the easy way and who gets into the hard one. I think it's clear that if Germany has easy opponents and France plays England in the 1/8 and then Spain/Belgium in the 1/4, then Germany will have more chances and vice versa. I think bookmakers take this into account when setting quotes.
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There are a couple of odds that seem to be off. I think England should at least be equal to Germany, but rather ahead as you say. And Spain can never be that far behind either. I don't know if they overvalue the home advantage that much? The last time that a national team won the European Championship in their own country was in 1984 in France. It can't be the home advantage that the bookies value so high. Even Belgium is underrated in my opinion. These are some weird odds and France should be a clear favorite. 

I say this repeatedly here (that France is far ahead of the others), but other folks don't agree with me. And I agree with you on the home advantage factor. With or without the home advantage, Germany is a shit team. I don't have a very good opinion about England (especially after their poor performance in the Qatar 2022), but at least I could agree that they are far ahead of Germany. However, I can't agree with you on Belgium. Their peak years are behind them and with the downfall of Lukaku, they are out of contention for Euro 2024.
Many people disagree with you because they have their own opinion about this, and we can't force what we say even if they agree. Francis has indeed been a very good team lately, that was seen when they managed to compete in the World Cup final, even though in the end they had to lose to Argentina. I think it is possible that the performance of some countries will change, they may be better and they may be worse. What's more, now is the time to make those changes happen before UEFA Euro 2024.
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At the World Cup, Belgium was very bad in the first game against Canada, but after that they raised their level of play and were much better, especially in the game against us when they were a much better team. Only luck and the miraculous Guardiol saved Croatia from a well-deserved defeat.
Some say that Belgium is an old team that is no longer good, but it is a very experienced and high-quality national team that should not be underestimated.
The German national team is definitely in a big decline since the 2014 World Cup and they are not favorites at the next EURO, even though they are the hosts.
The Croatian national team is always dangerous and unpredictable, and has a chance to make a big result again.

I don't think that they are old as a team. Their average age is 27 years. Even their best players are all under 30 years. I wouldn't say that they are old. I didn't watch all their games, but the games against Canada and Morocco were pretty bad. Maybe they just underestimated them. But if you look at their last game against Sweden, Lukaku scored all three goals. They depend on him a lot and if he is not at his best, or if he gets injured, it would be catastrophic for them.

I'm curious to see how Croatia will play once Modrić won't be playing for the national team. I don't think that Croatia depends on him as much as Belgium depends on Lukaku.
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There are a couple of odds that seem to be off. I think England should at least be equal to Germany, but rather ahead as you say. And Spain can never be that far behind either. I don't know if they overvalue the home advantage that much? The last time that a national team won the European Championship in their own country was in 1984 in France. It can't be the home advantage that the bookies value so high. Even Belgium is underrated in my opinion. These are some weird odds and France should be a clear favorite. 

Belgium is not underrated. Their national team is nothing compared to their old days. At least they looked really bad in the World Cup last year.

I say this repeatedly here (that France is far ahead of the others), but other folks don't agree with me. And I agree with you on the home advantage factor. With or without the home advantage, Germany is a shit team. I don't have a very good opinion about England (especially after their poor performance in the Qatar 2022), but at least I could agree that they are far ahead of Germany. However, I can't agree with you on Belgium. Their peak years are behind them and with the downfall of Lukaku, they are out of contention for Euro 2024.

Finally we agree on something. I'm talking about Belgium Smiley I also agree about Germany. I wouldn't say that they have that high chance to win the Euro 2024.

I just don't understand how can bookies give more chance to win the championship to Belgium or Netherlands than to Croatia. I don't know where these odds came from, but I would love to see the odds for Croatia. I'm not saying that they will win it, but I really don't think that Belgium or Netherlands are better teams than Croatia.

At the World Cup, Belgium was very bad in the first game against Canada, but after that they raised their level of play and were much better, especially in the game against us when they were a much better team. Only luck and the miraculous Guardiol saved Croatia from a well-deserved defeat.
Some say that Belgium is an old team that is no longer good, but it is a very experienced and high-quality national team that should not be underestimated.
The German national team is definitely in a big decline since the 2014 World Cup and they are not favorites at the next EURO, even though they are the hosts.
The Croatian national team is always dangerous and unpredictable, and has a chance to make a big result again.
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There are a couple of odds that seem to be off. I think England should at least be equal to Germany, but rather ahead as you say. And Spain can never be that far behind either. I don't know if they overvalue the home advantage that much? The last time that a national team won the European Championship in their own country was in 1984 in France. It can't be the home advantage that the bookies value so high. Even Belgium is underrated in my opinion. These are some weird odds and France should be a clear favorite. 

Belgium is not underrated. Their national team is nothing compared to their old days. At least they looked really bad in the World Cup last year.

I say this repeatedly here (that France is far ahead of the others), but other folks don't agree with me. And I agree with you on the home advantage factor. With or without the home advantage, Germany is a shit team. I don't have a very good opinion about England (especially after their poor performance in the Qatar 2022), but at least I could agree that they are far ahead of Germany. However, I can't agree with you on Belgium. Their peak years are behind them and with the downfall of Lukaku, they are out of contention for Euro 2024.

Finally we agree on something. I'm talking about Belgium Smiley I also agree about Germany. I wouldn't say that they have that high chance to win the Euro 2024.

I just don't understand how can bookies give more chance to win the championship to Belgium or Netherlands than to Croatia. I don't know where these odds came from, but I would love to see the odds for Croatia. I'm not saying that they will win it, but I really don't think that Belgium or Netherlands are better teams than Croatia.
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There are a couple of odds that seem to be off. I think England should at least be equal to Germany, but rather ahead as you say. And Spain can never be that far behind either. I don't know if they overvalue the home advantage that much? The last time that a national team won the European Championship in their own country was in 1984 in France. It can't be the home advantage that the bookies value so high. Even Belgium is underrated in my opinion. These are some weird odds and France should be a clear favorite. 

I say this repeatedly here (that France is far ahead of the others), but other folks don't agree with me. And I agree with you on the home advantage factor. With or without the home advantage, Germany is a shit team. I don't have a very good opinion about England (especially after their poor performance in the Qatar 2022), but at least I could agree that they are far ahead of Germany. However, I can't agree with you on Belgium. Their peak years are behind them and with the downfall of Lukaku, they are out of contention for Euro 2024.
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By the way, the gap between France and the other two competitors is not so great:

France 6.00

Germany 6.50

England 6.75


Spain 9.00

Portugal 11.00

Italy 12.00

Belgium 14.00

Netherlands 15.00

In general, this is probably a fair assessment, the only thing that is clearly out of place is Spain - it seems to me that they showed dull football at the World Cup and it is unlikely that anything will change in two years. I don’t understand why they are better than the Netherlands or Italy.

Don't want to say anything offensive, but the odds look batshit crazy to me. Hardly any difference between France and Germany? Germany ahead of England? Seriously? And then Portugal ahead of Italy. IMO, France should be well ahead of all the other teams and England should be in second position. I checked the odds in a few sportsbooks that I use, and Germany is being given very favorable odds in all of them. I don't understand this. Germany is a dying team and they performed very poorly during Qatar 2022. I agree that they will be having the home advantage. But how much that is going to help them? 

There are a couple of odds that seem to be off. I think England should at least be equal to Germany, but rather ahead as you say. And Spain can never be that far behind either. I don't know if they overvalue the home advantage that much? The last time that a national team won the European Championship in their own country was in 1984 in France. It can't be the home advantage that the bookies value so high. Even Belgium is underrated in my opinion. These are some weird odds and France should be a clear favorite. 
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Griezmann didn't have much choice because even though he probably did even better than Mbappe at the World Cup, but he is more of the past and Mbappe is obviously the future. Therefore, if he had aggravated the conflict, then it would have been decided not in his favor, therefore, the reconciliation of the players in this situation is simply logic and not someone's specific merit. But in general Deschamps is giving a result and France are top 1 favorites to win Euro24, let's see how they can realize their chances.
Griezmann was either going to accept it or retire from the French national team, he does not want to retire yet so he had to accept the decision even though he didn't agree with it and neither did i, Mbappe shouldn't be the captain, even though he is the best player in the team, there are other senior players that deserve to be captain ahead of Mbappe, but the decision is already made and cannot be changed. France are surely the favorites for any tournament they are in right now, and they are favorites for the Euro next year and will probably win it, but anything can happen though.
It looks like Griezmann will still accept that decision and play for the French national team because he is unlikely to retire from France because he is one of the best players in the French national team.
I'm sure Griezmann is a bit disappointed by the decision, but he can only accept it because he can't do more to consider a decision that's already valid.
Mbappe may not be the only best player in the French team but Mbappe has managed to give France a lot of wins and he has shown that his game form is so good that he deserves to be the captain of the French team.
Moreover, Mbappe also successfully led France to win the 2018 World Cup and won the title of best young player in the 2018 World Cup.
Even today, Mbappe is still one of the best players in the world, so it is only natural that he was chosen to captain France.
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By the way, the gap between France and the other two competitors is not so great:

France 6.00

Germany 6.50

England 6.75


Spain 9.00

Portugal 11.00

Italy 12.00

Belgium 14.00

Netherlands 15.00

In general, this is probably a fair assessment, the only thing that is clearly out of place is Spain - it seems to me that they showed dull football at the World Cup and it is unlikely that anything will change in two years. I don’t understand why they are better than the Netherlands or Italy.

Don't want to say anything offensive, but the odds look batshit crazy to me. Hardly any difference between France and Germany? Germany ahead of England? Seriously? And then Portugal ahead of Italy. IMO, France should be well ahead of all the other teams and England should be in second position. I checked the odds in a few sportsbooks that I use, and Germany is being given very favorable odds in all of them. I don't understand this. Germany is a dying team and they performed very poorly during Qatar 2022. I agree that they will be having the home advantage. But how much that is going to help them? 
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Griezmann didn't have much choice because even though he probably did even better than Mbappe at the World Cup, but he is more of the past and Mbappe is obviously the future. Therefore, if he had aggravated the conflict, then it would have been decided not in his favor, therefore, the reconciliation of the players in this situation is simply logic and not someone's specific merit. But in general Deschamps is giving a result and France are top 1 favorites to win Euro24, let's see how they can realize their chances.
Griezmann was either going to accept it or retire from the French national team, he does not want to retire yet so he had to accept the decision even though he didn't agree with it and neither did i, Mbappe shouldn't be the captain, even though he is the best player in the team, there are other senior players that deserve to be captain ahead of Mbappe, but the decision is already made and cannot be changed. France are surely the favorites for any tournament they are in right now, and they are favorites for the Euro next year and will probably win it, but anything can happen though.

By the way, the gap between France and the other two competitors is not so great:

France 6.00

Germany 6.50

England 6.75


Spain 9.00

Portugal 11.00

Italy 12.00

Belgium 14.00

Netherlands 15.00

In general, this is probably a fair assessment, the only thing that is clearly out of place is Spain - it seems to me that they showed dull football at the World Cup and it is unlikely that anything will change in two years. I don’t understand why they are better than the Netherlands or Italy.
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Griezmann didn't have much choice because even though he probably did even better than Mbappe at the World Cup, but he is more of the past and Mbappe is obviously the future. Therefore, if he had aggravated the conflict, then it would have been decided not in his favor, therefore, the reconciliation of the players in this situation is simply logic and not someone's specific merit. But in general Deschamps is giving a result and France are top 1 favorites to win Euro24, let's see how they can realize their chances.
Griezmann was either going to accept it or retire from the French national team, he does not want to retire yet so he had to accept the decision even though he didn't agree with it and neither did i, Mbappe shouldn't be the captain, even though he is the best player in the team, there are other senior players that deserve to be captain ahead of Mbappe, but the decision is already made and cannot be changed. France are surely the favorites for any tournament they are in right now, and they are favorites for the Euro next year and will probably win it, but anything can happen though.
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France for me are the favorites to win the Euro 2024 and that's understandable because of the quality of players in their possession. Though some of the veteran players in the team resigned after last year's FIFA World Cup but they  still remain the most solid international football team at the moment. Didier Dechamps is a well experienced coach and knows how to manage his players both on the pitch and out of the pitch and he demonstrated that by uniting his new national team captain Kylian Mbappe with the their attacking maestro Antoine Griezmann after the later felt bad for not being recognized for the team's captaincy.

Griezmann didn't have much choice because even though he probably did even better than Mbappe at the World Cup, but he is more of the past and Mbappe is obviously the future. Therefore, if he had aggravated the conflict, then it would have been decided not in his favor, therefore, the reconciliation of the players in this situation is simply logic and not someone's specific merit. But in general Deschamps is giving a result and France are top 1 favorites to win Euro24, let's see how they can realize their chances.
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