UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Season - page 181.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on March 22, 2023, 04:15:01 PM

It is debatable to claim which team is better. Juventus isn't in its best form anymore, the current good form in Serie A can't guarantee they will play well in Europa League as well. Sporting simply showed that they play well in Europa League, they proved it by eliminating Arsenal (the favorite team). If we compare Juventus and Arsenal, Arsenal is indeed better in league matches. So, since Sporting was able to defeat Arsenal, in theory they should be easier to beat Juventus.

Even though Arsenal have been removed from the league by Sporting, I do not believe they have a chance against Juventus. Juventus may not be good in their domestic league, Seria A, but they are excellent in the Europa League. They're more focused on winning the league because they don't have a better chance of winning Serie A this season.

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Quote from: Rockstarguy on March 22, 2023, 12:32:37 PM

It is too early to conclude that Juventus will win the Europa League, you know it is just of recent Juventus started performing well, unlike Manchester United that have been performing well for a longtime. I'm not under rating Juventus, but let's check at the record of Manchester United, their strength and quality, I think they have a better chances of winning the europa league than Juventus. The strength of Manchester United squad is good enough to maintain the top four position in the premier league and also to fight for the championship of the Europa league. At the days of the season count Manchester United keeps improving.

Manchester United and Juventus are among the two best teams to win the Europa League this season, but using one team's performance in the league as the possibility of winning the league over the other team is not a guarantee that that team will win the league title. Arsenal was doing well in the Premier League, remaining at the top of the standings, but they were eliminated from the Europa League. So, for the time being, we cannot predict or guarantee who will win the Europa League.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on March 22, 2023, 02:30:43 PM

But in other ways, this could also be a surprise again, especially for the Europa League, there are always some surprises that often occur if you look at the previous season.
Juventus' current condition is the same as Arsenal's previous condition which was the favorite, but that is not a real guarantee either for them to win easily.
The hope is that they win but this will not be an easy game for them especially with Sporting's defense against Arsenal being really good.

I think Juventus will be one of the teams that will make the Europa league competition even more interesting because of the uniqueness they are facing right now. Judging from the quality of the two teams, of course Juventus has a squad filled with several well-known players who have the best quality on the field. Juventus have Di Maria, Vlahovic and Pobga on the front line but this trio has not been able to show their aggressiveness this season because among the three of them Pogba has had to be absent for a long time due to an injury that has come to him.

Di Maria performed well in the Europa League because in the 3 matches he played, Di Maria was able to contribute 4 goals which made Juventus advance to the quarter-finals. For the first leg, Juventus will allegedly win because they are playing at home. allegri must be able to bring a trophy for juventus this season maybe the europa league is the target.

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When we calculate on paper, yes maybe. But, we can't guess the title by calculate like that, MU maybe is very strong because was able to defeat a solid club like Barcelona, but in fact a club like Sporting was able to beat a strong premier club like Arsenal. And, Of course with this fact, sporting also have a chance because Arsenal ever beat MU 3-2.

But we can ignore all that calculation because when we look the odds below, MU is very favorite behind Juventus and Roma.

All the adequacy of these quotes collapses when we see that the chances of Sevilla are only two times lower than the chances of Juventus (despite the fact that Sevilla has already got into the draw the favorite of the tournament - United). And Juventus will be waiting for them in the semi-finals Grin

To be honest, I don't understand what math the bookmakers used when they drew up this line.

Hm the odds are interesting but when you think about it, what would you actually criticize? Should Juventus be less, perhaps something around 4.5? I think that Manchester United is the favorite, although the gap between them and Juventus is too big. Roma is probably put at the same as Juventus because they have the "easier" way to go when they win against Feyenoord.

Generally I think the draw is a bit unlucky because in a worst case scenario the final does not sound as spectacular as I would wish for. It's fine if the best teams win, but when the draws pre-determine that big teams must get kicked out because they face each other, I am not sure I like that a lot.

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Quote from: hahay on March 22, 2023, 12:14:24 PM

I don't think Arsenal are the favorite team in the Europa League, and Arsenal's elimination from the Europa League in my opinion is not something strange. Maybe they consider Arsenal to be at the top of the English Premier League, so they favor Arsenal but for me, that really isn't used as a benchmark.

If you are trying to go back in the previous pages and there are bunch of people in here said that arsenal was among the most favorite clubs to win europa league but it's not even meet what is already expected to be a tough team in the europa league. Arsenal must accept the truth if sporting is far better compared with it. The gunners can't accept the lose but yeah that's the truth that already happened. You can't deny that as a team that was leading EPL and almost all of people said arsenal would be winning europa league easily.
It can also be seen from the winner's odd if arsenal has become a club with the small odds in europa league to be a candidate as a winner for this season.

Quote from: hahay on March 22, 2023, 12:14:24 PM

Also on several occasions I have thought about Manchester United and also Juventus, and even though Manchester United this season lost heavily 7-0 by Liverpool in the Premier League. But still, for me it won't have a bad impact on Manchester United in the Europa League. Because basically Erik ten Hag has succeeded in restoring Manchester United's performance for the better, so that Manchester United's chance of advancing to the European League final is still possible.

MU was placed in second place and juventus is even lower than it. 7-0 didn't matter a lot for MU to play better in europa league compared with another team. Ten hag was able to make the performance from MU quite stable when it was playing in different competition other than EPL.
That's why tenhag got so much appreciation from the MU fans regarding what he has done for MU. Losing liverpool with huge scores like that was actually unacceptable but what can we do? It's only past story.

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Quote from: blue Snow on March 21, 2023, 08:04:14 PM

When we calculate on paper, yes maybe. But, we can't guess the title by calculate like that, MU maybe is very strong because was able to defeat a solid club like Barcelona, but in fact a club like Sporting was able to beat a strong premier club like Arsenal. And, Of course with this fact, sporting also have a chance because Arsenal ever beat MU 3-2.

But we can ignore all that calculation because when we look the odds below, MU is very favorite behind Juventus and Roma.

All the adequacy of these quotes collapses when we see that the chances of Sevilla are only two times lower than the chances of Juventus (despite the fact that Sevilla has already got into the draw the favorite of the tournament - United). And Juventus will be waiting for them in the semi-finals Grin

To be honest, I don't understand what math the bookmakers used when they drew up this line.

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Quote from: Falconer on March 22, 2023, 01:40:57 PM

Sporting proved something great against Arsenal but I think they were just lucky at the penalty stage. Meanwhile against Juventus, I think Sporting just won't be the favourites.

You can say it was a luck factor only, but they can't win the penalty shootout if they have bad shooters (bad players).
So, it simply showed that Sporting has a good squad and they used a good tactic. That's a logical reason why they can eliminate Arsenal in the previous round. If Sporting has bad players, there will be no penalty shootout, Arsenal may win the match in normal time. Wink

Quote from: Falconer on March 22, 2023, 01:40:57 PM

I may have underestimated Sporting at this stage as I tend to believe Juventus are the better team.

It is debatable to claim which team is better. Juventus isn't in its best form anymore, the current good form in Serie A can't guarantee they will play well in Europa League as well. Sporting simply showed that they play well in Europa League, they proved it by eliminating Arsenal (the favorite team). If we compare Juventus and Arsenal, Arsenal is indeed better in league matches. So, since Sporting was able to defeat Arsenal, in theory they should be easier to beat Juventus.

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Feyenoord and Roma can also have a close matchup against each other. Feyenoord were really impressive in the previous round. Their performance in the second leg against Shakhtar was incredible as they won by 7-1. Shakhtar are of course not playing like in the past. They have lost many important players as they left the country due to war. But they still didn't get a bad result in the first leg of course.

Therefore I still think the thing Feyenoord did against them later on was very impressive and they are a big threat to Roma. Roma are one of the favourites of the title on paper. They have just eliminated a tough opponent like Real Sociedad so they should be ready against Feyenoord as well.

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Manchester United together with Juventus are for me the main favorites to win the Europa League during this season.

My favorite team to win the Europa league this season is Juventus, i know that manchester united are very strong but i don't feel they will win it. Juventus started playing really well after 15 points was deducted from them in the seria A, their good form has taken them a little bit up in the table, but i don't think it would be enough for them to qualify for the champions league. So this Europa league is like their only chance to qualify for the champions league next season, so i think Juventus are going give this tournament everything they have, and i feel they are going to win it.

The main problem with Juventus is their position in Serie A the team is playing well in both Europa League and Serie A. But, I guess they will have a hard game against Sporting because this team won the game against Arsenal in the last stage Sproting doesn't have valuable and expensive players in the team yet but they have still shown us a good performance in the recent games and if Juventus don't want to get surprised they should be careful in the next game against Sporting.

They have not issues, of not for the deduction of points, Juventus would have been right in the top four position in the Seria A League.
That aside, they have been up and doing and going still they have accumulated points some clubs around the globe haven't, they're doing a decent job. Allegri 2015 came so close to winning the champions league but they got messed up by Barcelona.

Juventus, Roma and Manchester United, likewise the reborn Bayern Leverkusen who have been a tough side since the arrival of Xabi Alonso.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on March 22, 2023, 02:02:42 PM

Juventus will sporting flat and clean, I will not even doubt it whether Sporting won Arsenal, in football weak teams are also doing well in some cases and not all. The last recent concluded world cup tournament at Qatar shown the best way in football. Football in these days is not like those days. Even though Juventus is good in the Europa League and Serie A football tournaments, Sporting is also good other leagues. We can also see this differences in the Liverpool and Manchester United in the premier league and also what happened to the both teams in the championship game and La Liga. In these days, football cannot be predicted. Football now is taking a new dimension, that is the weak are getting strong.

But in other ways, this could also be a surprise again, especially for the Europa League, there are always some surprises that often occur if you look at the previous season.
Juventus' current condition is the same as Arsenal's previous condition which was the favorite, but that is not a real guarantee either for them to win easily.
The hope is that they win but this will not be an easy game for them especially with Sporting's defense against Arsenal being really good.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on March 22, 2023, 02:02:42 PM

Juventus will sporting flat and clean, I will not even doubt it whether Sporting won Arsenal, in football weak teams are also doing well in some cases and not all. The last recent concluded world cup tournament at Qatar shown the best way in football. Football in these days is not like those days. Even though Juventus is good in the Europa League and Serie A football tournaments, Sporting is also good other leagues. We can also see this differences in the Liverpool and Manchester United in the premier league and also what happened to the both teams in the championship game and La Liga. In these days, football cannot be predicted. Football now is taking a new dimension, that is the weak are getting strong.

I wouldn't be surprised if Juventus and Sporting failed to reach the final in the end, but I'd be really disappointed if Manchester United didn't get there. Even though I know Sevilla has a good history in the Europa League, however so far I hope Manchester United can get to the final especially after they have beaten 2 La Liga representatives so far (Barcelona and Real Betis).

The best Juventus achievement I can think of is getting to the final, but I'm sure they didn't win the title. Manchester United are my favorites in the Europa League, even if I doubt them on one hand.

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Quote from: Falconer on March 22, 2023, 01:40:57 PM

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The main problem with Juventus is their position in Serie A the team is playing well in both Europa League and Serie A. But, I guess they will have a hard game against Sporting because this team won the game against Arsenal in the last stage Sproting doesn't have valuable and expensive players in the team yet but they have still shown us a good performance in the recent games and if Juventus don't want to get surprised they should be careful in the next game against Sporting.

Sporting proved something great against Arsenal but I think they were just lucky at the penalty stage. Meanwhile against Juventus, I think Sporting just won't be the favourites.

I may have underestimated Sporting at this stage as I tend to believe Juventus are the better team. Another problem is, Juventus is not the team most likely to win the Europa League title based on history, but that is in the past. Looking forward to this fight in mid-April. Some of the teams that will advance to the semifinals are Roma, Juventus, Sevilla and Leverkusen. I doubt Manchester United, but they are also good to hope for.

Juventus will sporting flat and clean, I will not even doubt it whether Sporting won Arsenal, in football weak teams are also doing well in some cases and not all. The last recent concluded world cup tournament at Qatar shown the best way in football. Football in these days is not like those days. Even though Juventus is good in the Europa League and Serie A football tournaments, Sporting is also good other leagues. We can also see this differences in the Liverpool and Manchester United in the premier league and also what happened to the both teams in the championship game and La Liga. In these days, football cannot be predicted. Football now is taking a new dimension, that is the weak are getting strong.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on March 22, 2023, 12:42:40 PM

The main problem with Juventus is their position in Serie A the team is playing well in both Europa League and Serie A. But, I guess they will have a hard game against Sporting because this team won the game against Arsenal in the last stage Sproting doesn't have valuable and expensive players in the team yet but they have still shown us a good performance in the recent games and if Juventus don't want to get surprised they should be careful in the next game against Sporting.

Sporting proved something great against Arsenal but I think they were just lucky at the penalty stage. Meanwhile against Juventus, I think Sporting just won't be the favourites.

I may have underestimated Sporting at this stage as I tend to believe Juventus are the better team. Another problem is, Juventus is not the team most likely to win the Europa League title based on history, but that is in the past. Looking forward to this fight in mid-April. Some of the teams that will advance to the semifinals are Roma, Juventus, Sevilla and Leverkusen. I doubt Manchester United, but they are also good to hope for.

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Quote from: swogerino on March 22, 2023, 05:55:34 AM

Manchester United together with Juventus are for me the main favorites to win the Europa League during this season.I don't know if anyone noticed but it is the third consecutive Spanish team that faces Manchester United in Europa League play offs,in group stages only Real Sociedad was able to beat them at their home.Since Manchester United has beaten Barcelona and Real Betis,clearly teams in much better shape than Sevilla in the La Liga in Spain,I also think that Manchester United would have not the slightest of problems to qualify further.

I agree that we will probably see United or Juventus lift the trophy this season, I get that people are expecting for some surprises and that will not happen if you ask me. I am not saying that it will not happen, it could happen and that is true and it could be some serious situation for people because if unexpected results happens then it is going to be an issue for many gamblers.

I think United will easily win, Juventus will win too even if not easily, and we are going to end up with a good result. Italian powers this year has definitely made its way into Europe, Napoli and Milan and Inter are doing wonders at UCL too, and now Juventus looks good in Europa too, those are all important for a nation.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on March 22, 2023, 12:42:40 PM

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Manchester United together with Juventus are for me the main favorites to win the Europa League during this season.

My favorite team to win the Europa league this season is Juventus, i know that manchester united are very strong but i don't feel they will win it. Juventus started playing really well after 15 points was deducted from them in the seria A, their good form has taken them a little bit up in the table, but i don't think it would be enough for them to qualify for the champions league. So this Europa league is like their only chance to qualify for the champions league next season, so i think Juventus are going give this tournament everything they have, and i feel they are going to win it.

The main problem with Juventus is their position in Serie A the team is playing well in both Europa League and Serie A. But, I guess they will have a hard game against Sporting because this team won the game against Arsenal in the last stage Sproting doesn't have valuable and expensive players in the team yet but they have still shown us a good performance in the recent games and if Juventus don't want to get surprised they should be careful in the next game against Sporting.

These competitions show that it is not always about the most expensive players or those with the highest salaries. We have a couple of leagues where you can see that right now. But in the European cups it becomes even more evident because there is extra motivation for the less publicly recognized players to show against the big teams that you can make up for some deficiencies through effort. Sporting against Juventus will be a game on eye level. If you kick out Arsenal in their current shape, there is no team you can't kick out.

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Quote from: Z-tight on March 22, 2023, 06:13:29 AM

Quote from: swogerino on March 22, 2023, 05:55:34 AM

Manchester United together with Juventus are for me the main favorites to win the Europa League during this season.

My favorite team to win the Europa league this season is Juventus, i know that manchester united are very strong but i don't feel they will win it. Juventus started playing really well after 15 points was deducted from them in the seria A, their good form has taken them a little bit up in the table, but i don't think it would be enough for them to qualify for the champions league. So this Europa league is like their only chance to qualify for the champions league next season, so i think Juventus are going give this tournament everything they have, and i feel they are going to win it.

Yes, that can be an individual assessment, Juventus and Manchester United are the favourites, but I'm more inclined to Manchester United. Yes, I know they still have weaknesses that they could even beat Liverpool badly at that time. But Juventus also did the same thing. I don't know why now I see a winning mentality again from Manchester United after a few seasons ago I didn't see that from them. Perhaps the arrival of Erik Ten Hag was one of the reasons there has been such a change at Manchester United, and also the players seem to have more passion than last season.

Quote from: Tony116 on March 22, 2023, 10:38:06 AM

Arsenal team was considered as the most favorite team in Europa League. But they lost against Sporting and left the Europa League. And so now it cannot be said which team is the favorite for the Europa League title. Manchester United's performance is very good. Even then, there is no saying that this team will win the title. I wouldn't be surprised if such a Manchester United side loses in their next match against Sevilla. Sevilla's performance has been poor this season. However, the Sevilla team is too experienced for the Europa League platform. Sevilla has a chance to win against Manchester United.

The club that was originally the main favorite which was talked about a lot, in fact they had to be eliminated first in the round of 16. Unexpectedly they lost to Sporting after they drew at normal time.
Sevilla is the most experienced club on the European stage, that's true. But I don't see them beating Manchester United. In La Liga they are not as good as they were last season, and in fact they have been at the bottom of the table for quite a long time. Even though they are currently better, I think they will not be as strong against Manchester United in my opinion.

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Quote from: swogerino on March 22, 2023, 05:55:34 AM

Manchester United together with Juventus are for me the main favorites to win the Europa League during this season.

My favorite team to win the Europa league this season is Juventus, i know that manchester united are very strong but i don't feel they will win it. Juventus started playing really well after 15 points was deducted from them in the seria A, their good form has taken them a little bit up in the table, but i don't think it would be enough for them to qualify for the champions league. So this Europa league is like their only chance to qualify for the champions league next season, so i think Juventus are going give this tournament everything they have, and i feel they are going to win it.

The main problem with Juventus is their position in Serie A the team is playing well in both Europa League and Serie A. But, I guess they will have a hard game against Sporting because this team won the game against Arsenal in the last stage Sproting doesn't have valuable and expensive players in the team yet but they have still shown us a good performance in the recent games and if Juventus don't want to get surprised they should be careful in the next game against Sporting.

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Quote from: Z-tight on March 22, 2023, 06:13:29 AM

Quote from: swogerino on March 22, 2023, 05:55:34 AM

Manchester United together with Juventus are for me the main favorites to win the Europa League during this season.

My favorite team to win the Europa league this season is Juventus, i know that manchester united are very strong but i don't feel they will win it. Juventus started playing really well after 15 points was deducted from them in the seria A, their good form has taken them a little bit up in the table, but i don't think it would be enough for them to qualify for the champions league. So this Europa league is like their only chance to qualify for the champions league next season, so i think Juventus are going give this tournament everything they have, and i feel they are going to win it.

It is too early to conclude that Juventus will win the Europa League, you know it is just of recent Juventus started performing well, unlike Manchester United that have been performing well for a longtime. I'm not under rating Juventus, but let's check at the record of Manchester United, their strength and quality, I think they have a better chances of winning the europa league than Juventus. The strength of Manchester United squad is good enough to maintain the top four position in the premier league and also to fight for the championship of the Europa league. At the days of the season count Manchester United keeps improving.

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Quote from: Tony116 on March 22, 2023, 10:38:06 AM

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But anyway, Manchester United's chances are bigger than any other challengers in this competition. and if United don't have problems with their players, for example with injuries. I am quite optimistic, they will progress to the final round of this competition. well, for Juventus, let's wait and see how they play their match against Sporting Lisbon.

Arsenal team was considered as the most favorite team in Europa League. But they lost against Sporting and left the Europa League. And so now it cannot be said which team is the favorite for the Europa League title. Manchester United's performance is very good. Even then, there is no saying that this team will win the title. I wouldn't be surprised if such a Manchester United side loses in their next match against Sevilla. Sevilla's performance has been poor this season. However, the Sevilla team is too experienced for the Europa League platform. Sevilla has a chance to win against Manchester United.

I don't think Arsenal are the favorite team in the Europa League, and Arsenal's elimination from the Europa League in my opinion is not something strange. Maybe they consider Arsenal to be at the top of the English Premier League, so they favor Arsenal but for me, that really isn't used as a benchmark.

Also on several occasions I have thought about Manchester United and also Juventus, and even though Manchester United this season lost heavily 7-0 by Liverpool in the Premier League. But still, for me it won't have a bad impact on Manchester United in the Europa League. Because basically Erik ten Hag has succeeded in restoring Manchester United's performance for the better, so that Manchester United's chance of advancing to the European League final is still possible.

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Quote from: Strongkored on March 22, 2023, 10:39:54 AM

Sevilla will fly to Old Trafford in the first leg of the European league, obviously they will not be counted as favorites considering they will be a visiting team and their opponent, namely Man United, is one of the favorites to win, if Sevilla still wants to stay in the European league by being able to semifinals then they should be able to play well in the first leg to make the result draw or if they lose not by many goals and that will still open up their opportunities in the second leg, but it looks like Man United will take this opportunity as an advantage to make lots of goals and play more safe when they have to go to Seville's home.

A Sevilla team should not be underestimated on the Europa League platform. Sevilla won the Europa League title 6 times. So even though this group is relatively weak, they cannot be underestimated. I saw their performance against it at Fenerbahçe. The team's attack is very weak. Even then they won against it at Fenerbahçe. And my guess is that in the away match against Manchester United, they will play completely defensively and try to draw the match. If the away match is a draw then I guess Sevilla will qualify for the next round.

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