UEFA Europa League Discussion Thread - page 148.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on February 18, 2022, 03:39:23 AM

The Barcelona v Napoli match was the one that people waited for the most I assume. Barcelona were really terrible a few months ago. If they had that kind of performance in this match, then they would have lost this match surely. But their recent performance was a much more improved version and we saw that too. Barcelona kept the match under control most of the time. It was unfortunate for them to concede a goal before scoring one. But they still equalized it by a penalty. Maybe Ferran Torres scored it but his general performance was poor actually. He found so many goal chances and wasted all of them. He didn't even have a shot on target. Barcelona would have won this actually.

Until Barcelona equalized from a penalty kick (which was highly dubious) they were losing the game in every way. The penalty broke Napoli's game, but even so, Barcelona could not win (by the way, Napoli also had dangerous moments and could come out ahead again). Now before the final match Napoli are the favourites, but in my opinion they are still very much underestimated:

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The Barcelona v Napoli match was the one that people waited for the most I assume. Barcelona were really terrible a few months ago. If they had that kind of performance in this match, then they would have lost this match surely. But their recent performance was a much more improved version and we saw that too. Barcelona kept the match under control most of the time. It was unfortunate for them to concede a goal before scoring one. But they still equalized it by a penalty. Maybe Ferran Torres scored it but his general performance was poor actually. He found so many goal chances and wasted all of them. He didn't even have a shot on target. Barcelona would have won this actually.

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Quote from: xmonkeyx on February 18, 2022, 03:21:43 AM

Dortmund are 2 goals behind even though away goals have been excluded I think Dortmund will be very difficult considering Ranger are very strong playing at home.
Dortmund form has been very unstable this season and I think it's not just their striker Haaland not playing, it's a team play and Dortmund most obvious weakness is their defence, they've conceded quite a lot this season.
I think in the second leg Rangers will play defensively and try to make dangerous attacks from the feedback, it will be very difficult for Dortmund to qualify for the next round, I am very pessimistic for Dortmund to qualify.

Dortmund's defense has never been stronger. Their defense has been weak since the start of the season. With only talented players like Haaland at the forward, their overall performance would have been good and they could have scored a lot of goals. Haaland was not in the squad against the Rangers. Haaland's lack is well understood by the Dortmund team well. Their attack was not very strong in this match. If Haaland had been in the squad, the result of the match would have been in Dortmund's favor.

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Quote from: Bloodseekers on February 18, 2022, 02:57:10 AM

Quote from: cryptofrka on February 18, 2022, 02:33:07 AM

I think that nobody expected that Rangers can win in Dortmund, let alone score 4 goals. I have to say this is one of the most shocking results I saw recently.

I still feel that Dortmund will go into the next round, they will have Haaland back for the 2nd leg and there is no more away goal rules which will help them.

Dinamo did ok against Sevilla - I thought it wasn't a penalty and Sevilla scored a lucky 2nd goal. Overall a really good away performance - with a bad result to take home to Zagreb. Shame.

I didn't even think that Ranger would humiliate Dortmund at home with a late score of 4-2. Maybe one of the plausible reasons is the absence of their striker, Haaland.
Haaland's Second Leg can be played this is the decisive match, I think Dortmund will be able to win the match, with no away goals being a distinct advantage for Dortmund.

Dortmund are 2 goals behind even though away goals have been excluded I think Dortmund will be very difficult considering Ranger are very strong playing at home.
Dortmund form has been very unstable this season and I think it's not just their striker Haaland not playing, it's a team play and Dortmund most obvious weakness is their defence, they've conceded quite a lot this season.
I think in the second leg Rangers will play defensively and try to make dangerous attacks from the feedback, it will be very difficult for Dortmund to qualify for the next round, I am very pessimistic for Dortmund to qualify.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on February 18, 2022, 02:33:07 AM

I think that nobody expected that Rangers can win in Dortmund, let alone score 4 goals. I have to say this is one of the most shocking results I saw recently.

I still feel that Dortmund will go into the next round, they will have Haaland back for the 2nd leg and there is no more away goal rules which will help them.

Dinamo did ok against Sevilla - I thought it wasn't a penalty and Sevilla scored a lucky 2nd goal. Overall a really good away performance - with a bad result to take home to Zagreb. Shame.

I didn't even think that Ranger would humiliate Dortmund at home with a late score of 4-2. Maybe one of the plausible reasons is the absence of their striker, Haaland.
Haaland's Second Leg can be played this is the decisive match, I think Dortmund will be able to win the match, with no away goals being a distinct advantage for Dortmund.

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Quote from: Red Pie on February 17, 2022, 07:41:37 PM

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So sad to see Barcelona in this situation.

To be in this cup and not be able to beat Napoli while, until 3 years ago they had 3 goals of advantage on them every game...

Well Napoli has improved a lot over the years and to me this result was really expected. I think Barcelona is in serious trouble when going to italy in the rematch. I dont think it will be easy at all for them and i wouldnt be shocked if they get knocked out by Napoli.

I can say that Barcelona played very well in this match. I was expecting a less offensive Barcelona. Napoli is a team that has been developing for years. When we see that there is a team that will eliminate Barcelona, we can understand how much they have improved. Of course, there is the fact that Barcelona is also bad.

Although they played well, Ferran failed to convert it to a goal, so that is very disappointing. The substitutions by Xavi were a real letdown. Torres should have been replaced by Aubameyang, but instead he was subbed off. They lack the ability to score even on a field without a keeper. After a few missed opportunities, their presence in this tournament is embarrassing. The number of chances Barcelona missed in the last ten minutes is impossible to count. At the moment, Barça plays good football, they just lack goals. Eventually, it will happen.

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I think that nobody expected that Rangers can win in Dortmund, let alone score 4 goals. I have to say this is one of the most shocking results I saw recently.

I still feel that Dortmund will go into the next round, they will have Haaland back for the 2nd leg and there is no more away goal rules which will help them.

Dinamo did ok against Sevilla - I thought it wasn't a penalty and Sevilla scored a lucky 2nd goal. Overall a really good away performance - with a bad result to take home to Zagreb. Shame.

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Quote from: Woodie on February 18, 2022, 12:27:31 AM

Quote from: darxiaomi on February 17, 2022, 06:48:28 PM

I think the same way. Rangers can be a really weak team. I dont know how they can be mentally in the second game.
Because this kind of teams recognize his inferiority and jump to play defensively and this can be done for a few teams.
Its only two goals, sadly for Rangers its no more away goal rule ,because can be 3 goals diference if this still.

A team that runs straight to playing defensive football is guaranteed not to win, as the other team is allowed to create goal scoring chances which sometimes are converted to goals... Maybe playing defensive football might work in their favor as they might have the counter football in their plans which as shown that sometimes works for some teams.

Only Mourinho started getting results by playing defensive football as he won the Champions League in 2010 by such action and eliminated one of the best Barcelona teams ever at that time.Most of the time is not guaranteed to work though,you need a huge amount of luck to be able to get results with such football plus you need to have really good players that play as defenders.

Dortmund loss showed for me that they didn't take the game seriously and although they lost by 2 goals I think if they play seriously in Glasgow they can eliminate Rangers but that would be very difficult to do.As for the new rule of no away goal I only like it in preliminary phase of tournaments and not in direct elimination,I think here the rule of away goal should be implemented again.

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Quote from: Joca97 on February 17, 2022, 05:09:26 PM

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Well Napoli has improved a lot over the years and to me this result was really expected. I think Barcelona is in serious trouble when going to italy in the rematch. I dont think it will be easy at all for them and i wouldnt be shocked if they get knocked out by Napoli.

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I wouldn't be surprised for Barca to be out after re-match, but that one can go on any side

on the other hand, I am surprised that Porto succeed to win over Lazio and Barca did not the same against Napoli, both at home, Lazio is a bit worse than Napoli, but both teams are from top in Calcio
Sociedad took draw in Germany, and they could also progress to next round

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I personally am not surprised by Dortmund's defeat but this is indeed a painful defeat how not, Dortmund itself plays at home where victory should be a result that must be obtained. Not only that, Dortmund were even 2-0 down from the first half and Dortmund found it difficult to score. This is also because of Haaland who is still plagued with injuries but yes, this result proves that a big team cannot always depend on only one player and can't imagine if Haaland left later it would really be a hard blow for Dortmund.

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Quote from: Red Pie on February 17, 2022, 07:41:37 PM

I can say that Barcelona played very well in this match. I was expecting a less offensive Barcelona. Napoli is a team that has been developing for years. When we see that there is a team that will eliminate Barcelona, we can understand how much they have improved. Of course, there is the fact that Barcelona is also bad.

I'm not denying Napoli's good form this season and they deserve to be reckoned with. There is no favorite in the second leg, although in the first leg Barcelona performed well. The second leg is a final so it will be difficult for both teams. I think Napoli have 60% chance of winning the second leg while 40% belongs to Barcelona.

If Xavi wants his team to win then I think he really has to think of a good strategy to face Napoli in the second leg. The match will not be easy but there is always the possibility to see unexpected results.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on February 17, 2022, 06:48:28 PM

I think the same way. Rangers can be a really weak team. I dont know how they can be mentally in the second game.
Because this kind of teams recognize his inferiority and jump to play defensively and this can be done for a few teams.
Its only two goals, sadly for Rangers its no more away goal rule ,because can be 3 goals diference if this still.

A team that runs straight to playing defensive football is guaranteed not to win, as the other team is allowed to create goal scoring chances which sometimes are converted to goals... Maybe playing defensive football might work in their favor as they might have the counter football in their plans which as shown that sometimes works for some teams.

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Quote from: MAAManda on February 17, 2022, 07:10:35 PM

One of the results of the match that surprised me today was Borussia Dortmund Vs Rangers. How come? van Bronckhorst's squad managed to embarrass Borussia Dortmund on their own home. The goals scored by the Rangers squad were quick goals that occurred from the end of the first half to the beginning of the second half.

With this result, Borussia Dortmund has a very heavy burden in the second leg, I think this defeat has something to do with Haaland not playing.

But I'm not at all surprised by the result of Rangers' victory, because I often follow Rangers' matches in their domestic league, Rangers' domestic league has a great chance to win the title this year, although Dourmund managed to control the game but they couldn't get past Rangers' strong defense, Dourmurd only played a maximum in the last 15 minutes, the second leg will be very difficult for dourtmoud, because scoring two goals is not easy, especially dourtmoud playing at home to Rangers, according to my prediction dourtmoud will be eliminated in the European league.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on February 17, 2022, 06:48:28 PM

I think the same way. Rangers can be a really weak team. I dont know how they can be mentally in the second game.
Because this kind of teams recognize his inferiority and jump to play defensively and this can be done for a few teams.
Its only two goals, sadly for Rangers its no more away goal rule ,because can be 3 goals diference if this still.

Before the match begin obviously Dortmund are the favourite but everything can be change depend on the teams performance while play and i have to says Rangers playing better than Dortmund in this match even Dortmund defender Mats Hummels admitted it and seems no Haaland in the team really giving bad impact for Dortmund because since he got injuried Dortmund performance looks unstable

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Quote from: Joca97 on February 17, 2022, 05:09:26 PM

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So sad to see Barcelona in this situation.

To be in this cup and not be able to beat Napoli while, until 3 years ago they had 3 goals of advantage on them every game...

Well Napoli has improved a lot over the years and to me this result was really expected. I think Barcelona is in serious trouble when going to italy in the rematch. I dont think it will be easy at all for them and i wouldnt be shocked if they get knocked out by Napoli.

I can say that Barcelona played very well in this match. I was expecting a less offensive Barcelona. Napoli is a team that has been developing for years. When we see that there is a team that will eliminate Barcelona, we can understand how much they have improved. Of course, there is the fact that Barcelona is also bad.

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One of the results of the match that surprised me today was Borussia Dortmund Vs Rangers. How come? van Bronckhorst's squad managed to embarrass Borussia Dortmund on their own home. The goals scored by the Rangers squad were quick goals that occurred from the end of the first half to the beginning of the second half.

With this result, Borussia Dortmund has a very heavy burden in the second leg, I think this defeat has something to do with Haaland not playing.

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Quote from: $crypto$ on February 17, 2022, 04:21:24 PM

This match is more surprise especially Dortmund vs Rangers with 2-4 score, I lost the bet here.

Same here, I hope to win after losing in Munchen yesterday. but all match, not my expectations. Even though playing at home and have 65% ball possession, in fact, Ranger is pretty neat and disciplined implement their strategy, they have 5 shots on target. most likely because Halland didn't recover yet, Donyell Malen as striker didn't play with his partner. that be a hard mission for Dortmund to get 3 different goals on Ranger home on next weeks.

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Quote from: ShowOff on February 17, 2022, 06:43:08 PM

Quote from: Joca97 on February 17, 2022, 05:09:26 PM

Well Napoli has improved a lot over the years and to me this result was really expected. I think Barcelona is in serious trouble when going to italy in the rematch. I dont think it will be easy at all for them and i wouldnt be shocked if they get knocked out by Napoli.

There is only one team that has qualified for the next phase whether it's Napoli or Barcelona. Even though the first leg was a draw but I admit Barcelona played really well and they were just unlucky not to score more than one goal, that's all.

Napoli will be favorites in the second leg because they are playing at home, but Barcelona are also likely to win the match there. I myself will not be too happy if Barcelona win in the second leg because I think it is a natural thing. Nothing great from Napoli, I think, they were just lucky because the Barcelona forward didn't score.

You may forget that Napoli are one of the teams to be reckoned with I saw how Napoli beat strong teams in Serie A and UEFA so Barcelona have to be careful
Honestly I'm not sure Barcelona can do anything in the 2nd match maybe this is Barcelona's last day in UEFA this season somehow they can rise because today they are waiting for their luck with a penalty.

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I think the same way. Rangers can be a really weak team. I dont know how they can be mentally in the second game.
Because this kind of teams recognize his inferiority and jump to play defensively and this can be done for a few teams.
Its only two goals, sadly for Rangers its no more away goal rule ,because can be 3 goals diference if this still.

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Quote from: Joca97 on February 17, 2022, 05:09:26 PM

Well Napoli has improved a lot over the years and to me this result was really expected. I think Barcelona is in serious trouble when going to italy in the rematch. I dont think it will be easy at all for them and i wouldnt be shocked if they get knocked out by Napoli.

There is only one team that has qualified for the next phase whether it's Napoli or Barcelona. Even though the first leg was a draw but I admit Barcelona played really well and they were just unlucky not to score more than one goal, that's all.

Napoli will be favorites in the second leg because they are playing at home, but Barcelona are also likely to win the match there. I myself will not be too happy if Barcelona win in the second leg because I think it is a natural thing. Nothing great from Napoli, I think, they were just lucky because the Barcelona forward didn't score.

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