Ufasoft Miner - Windows/Linux, x86/x64, SSE2/OpenCL, Open Source - page 28.

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Quote from: village.idiot on August 19, 2011, 06:52:22 PM

Thank you for the clarification. (which I'm still a little unclear on)

So I just need to use the Run as... on the cmd.exe as a different user following ufasoft's instructions posted earlier.

Right?

You could do that, or you could create an lnk file (or a bat file or whatever) that runs the miner with your parameters automatically. Then you could just do the run as on that to save a step. Either way, same end result. Note that you'll have to choose "The following user:" and type in the username and password. Also note that if you don't see "Run as..." in the right-click menu that you can Shift+Right click to see it.

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Thank you for the clarification. (which I'm still a little unclear on)

So I just need to use the Run as... on the cmd.exe as a different user following ufasoft's instructions posted earlier.

Right?

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Quote from: village.idiot on August 19, 2011, 05:28:26 PM

Haven't seen an answer to my question

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Can that user run the miner while I'm (another user) using other things on the same computer?

But I suspect the answer is no.

What about this...
I use Comodo Internet Security, and found I could run bitcoin-miner in a sandbox at a restricted level.
I don't know if this would be secure enough.

You suspect wrong. When you right-click on a program and click "Run as..." you are already logged in as the user who is using the computer, the run as allows you to give programs you are running more (or in this case less) permissions. I'm not sure the Comodo sandbox would be good enough, though, it would still allow access to (a virtual copy of) your documents and settings. It might prevent it from corrupting the real thing, but wouldn't prevent it from, for instance, stealing your wallet.

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Quote from: ufasoft on August 19, 2011, 01:07:39 PM

I suspect they think that any BITCOIN software is malware.

Anyway, to users who afraid about backdoors:

1. Create separate user account in your Windows.
2. Limit this account to access any files on your disk (except %USERPROFILE% of this account)
3. Launch the miner via "Run As" context menu.
4. Add Firewall rule, allowing the miner connect only to the Pool's IP addresses.

This way any software is safe to run. It cannot to steal or damage anything, or use your PC for Spamming.

Haven't seen an answer to my question

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Can that user run the miner while I'm (another user) using other things on the same computer?

But I suspect the answer is no.

What about this...
I use Comodo Internet Security, and found I could run bitcoin-miner in a sandbox at a restricted level.
I don't know if this would be secure enough.

d3m0n1q_733rz

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I also submitted it to Avira using two different e-mail accounts to see if they utilize copy-paste techniques or if they actually put some human element into their work. My theory, they're lazy.

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Quote from: shaps on August 19, 2011, 10:45:51 AM

I also contacted Avira to report a false positive for the latest version (0.20) and got the below response.

Ufasoft, if you want the miner to be trusted and used broadly please release the source for the latest version (current available version is 0.10) and build instructions/environment for windows/linux.

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Dear Sir or Madam,

Thank you for your recent inquiry.

The submitted file does not show a false positive detection by AntiVir. It does indeed contain malicious behaviour, the detection is correct.

For further questions don't hesitate to contact us.

--
Freundliche Gruesse / Best regards
Avira Operations GmbH & Co. KG

I think you should try to inquire as to what malicious behavior it contains. It sounds to me like they are reselling rebranded software and have no clue what they are talking about. I was able to get Symantec and GFI to reclassify the previous version as a potentially unwanted tool, which is accurate, unless there is behavior that would classify it as something else.

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Can that user run the miner while I'm (another user) using other things on the same computer?

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It does indeed contain malicious behaviour, the detection is correct.

I suspect they think that any BITCOIN software is malware.

Anyway, to users who afraid about backdoors:

1. Create separate user account in your Windows.
2. Limit this account to access any files on your disk (except %USERPROFILE% of this account)
3. Launch the miner via "Run As" context menu.
4. Add Firewall rule, allowing the miner connect only to the Pool's IP addresses.

This way any software is safe to run. It cannot to steal or damage anything, or use your PC for Spamming.

Paul4games

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Well i uploaded the latest ufasoft miner to anubis and in the report i wasn't able to detect any malicious action performed, but it might have anti-anubis or idk...

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I also contacted Avira to report a false positive for the latest version (0.20) and got the below response.

Ufasoft, if you want the miner to be trusted and used broadly please release the source for the latest version (current available version is 0.10) and build instructions/environment for windows/linux.

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Dear Sir or Madam,

Thank you for your recent inquiry.

The submitted file does not show a false positive detection by AntiVir. It does indeed contain malicious behaviour, the detection is correct.

For further questions don't hesitate to contact us.

--
Freundliche Gruesse / Best regards
Avira Operations GmbH & Co. KG

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Avira marks the current version as malware and even if you report a false alert they think it's not clean.
Any ideas?

Dia

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I agree. Ufasoft has becomes a Windows miner while CGMiner has dominated the Linux scene. Both have a small leak into the others realm, but I think that Ufasoft could probably have dominated both if they tried. I'm not certain why they stopped updating the Linux source, but I imagine it has something to do with the required intrinisics and compiling programs used. You see, I believe that Ufasoft is compiled using the Intel compiler which isn't 100% compatible with GCC and the source for each would have to be modified separately. GCC doesn't have as good of optimizations as Intel, but the platform isn't as power hungry which makes it a really good tradeoff in the long run.
Ultimately, I believe it to be in everyone's best interests if someone (even if not Ufasoft) were to pick up the Linux source and play around with it. Maybe add a few paralleling commands, make room for some of the more up-to-date CPU commands in the SSE3-SSE4 range to be used in the earlier SHA-256 cycles that are all basically equal to 0 anyway (see Phatk2 for example)...the more you can do at once, the faster it gets done is the general rule.

But yeah, let's stop asking and just start doing.

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I just think that authors speak Russian (I found russian words in their site, for example "poisk").

1% - I was talking about *nix users that will install ufasoft miner instead of minerd. Ufasoft Miner is better, but source code is available only for 0.10 version.

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Quote from: Zenitur on August 16, 2011, 10:12:39 PM

Ecли вы вылoжитe нoвыe иcxoдники, кoличecтвo вaшиx пoльзoвaтeлeй peзкo вoзpacтёт нa 1%.

Thank you for brightening up our mainly English-speaking forum chat with a little Russian. I believe what my Russian friend here is saying is that, if you release the more up-to-date source code, more people will be apt to use and maybe improve upon your work thereby increasing the number of users who use your software by an estimated 1%. However, I don't believe 1% is going to be all that big of a deal.

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Ecли вы вылoжитe нoвыe иcxoдники, кoличecтвo вaшиx пoльзoвaтeлeй peзкo вoзpacтёт нa 1%.

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Quote from: village.idiot on August 14, 2011, 12:18:14 PM

Not knowing what I'm doing yet, I'm running separate terminals for each device so I can see what each is doing. If I understand the -help, I think the -i will let me specify each device with its arguments in one command line.

CPU is running 4 threads. Nothing has crashed so far.

Hash rate on GPUs is lower that acceptable but I was just looking into installing the msi overclock software to adjust that.

I'll try your suggestion on CPU cores

So does Phoenix with phatk2 give you better results than you can get with just bitcoin-miner?

Actually, yes. However, there is another miner that allows more control over the phatk2 kernel. Specifically, it causes it to use different vector sizes back and forth to take advantage of processor command execution times. I can't recall what it's called exactly and I'm too lazy to click back to the miner links, but it starts with a D.

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Not knowing what I'm doing yet, I'm running separate terminals for each device so I can see what each is doing. If I understand the -help, I think the -i will let me specify each device with its arguments in one command line.

CPU is running 4 threads. Nothing has crashed so far.

Hash rate on GPUs is lower that acceptable but I was just looking into installing the msi overclock software to adjust that.

I'll try your suggestion on CPU cores

So does Phoenix with phatk2 give you better results than you can get with just bitcoin-miner?

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Quote from: village.idiot on August 14, 2011, 11:11:49 AM

Quote from: d3m0n1q_733rz on August 14, 2011, 10:53:28 AM

Download the whole package. It's included in it as you probably see after reading the contents of the download package listed on the download page.

That worked! It sees both my cards now in addition to the CPU.

You're my hero for today! Thanks

Now I've just got to figure out the command line(s)

No problem. ^_^ The command line is pretty straightforward. What I'm using currently is Ufasoft for 3/4 cores and then Phoenix with the phatk2 kernel for the GPU card. I left out the last core because it's used to process data for the GPU miner. Should you go this route too, don't forget to specify worksize or the kernel will crash due to not containing a default. Since you have 2 GPUs, I don't know for certain if you'll need one or two CPU cores to run them. But I would set your CPU threads to (total CPU cores - GPU cores) and see if you get a better rate than just minus one core.

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Quote from: d3m0n1q_733rz on August 14, 2011, 10:53:28 AM

Download the whole package. It's included in it as you probably see after reading the contents of the download package listed on the download page.

That worked! It sees both my cards now in addition to the CPU.

You're my hero for today! Thanks

Now I've just got to figure out the command line(s)

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Was just about click the Install button for just the OpenCL when your post came up. Aborted

Downloading the suite now.

Thanks

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