UFC on ESPN 1: Ngannou vs Velasquez Prediction and Info Thread

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Quote from: seoincorporation on March 05, 2019, 11:07:49 AM

True, he is retired now, but he used to be a killing machine, with his 1 kick know down move he end some crazy matches. But we can keep his fighting style as an example for the next generations. He shows us how a heavyweight should do it.

It was used to say about him: “Right kick hospital left kick cemetery."

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Quote from: seoincorporation on March 05, 2019, 11:07:49 AM

True, he is retired now, but he used to be a killing machine, with his 1 kick know down move he end some crazy matches. But we can keep his fighting style as an example for the next generations. He shows us how a heavyweight should do it.

He actually had a controversial fight two weeks ago against Big Country Nelson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-8U3hVZsg4

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 05, 2019, 11:03:05 AM

Quote from: seoincorporation on March 05, 2019, 10:52:17 AM

The Cain who lost versus Francis Ngannou was the same Cain who lost vs Werdum, i don't think Cain is or was a good fighter, is pure muscle with a nice ability to receive hits, but not a fighting machine anymore. If we want to learn about good fighters on that category then take a look to mirko crocop

There is not much to look at now. Mirko is retired now. He has sufferen a stroke few days ago and is unable to train (just to train) for 3-5 months.

Maybe he will do some show matches in the future. But if I were him, I would not even do that, because just a slight punch to the head now can cripple him.

True, he is retired now, but he used to be a killing machine, with his 1 kick know down move he end some crazy matches. But we can keep his fighting style as an example for the next generations. He shows us how a heavyweight should do it.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on March 05, 2019, 10:52:17 AM

The Cain who lost versus Francis Ngannou was the same Cain who lost vs Werdum, i don't think Cain is or was a good fighter, is pure muscle with a nice ability to receive hits, but not a fighting machine anymore. If we want to learn about good fighters on that category then take a look to mirko crocop

There is not much to look at now. Mirko is retired now. He has sufferen a stroke few days ago and is unable to train (just to train) for 3-5 months.

Maybe he will do some show matches in the future. But if I were him, I would not even do that, because just a slight punch to the head now can cripple him.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on February 26, 2019, 10:53:20 PM

@eaLiTy. Whatever they make it appear to be, the Cain that went in the octagon versus Francis Ngannou was not the Cain that would have won with or without the knee injury. Ring rust is real no matter what anyone believes.

The Cain who lost versus Francis Ngannou was the same Cain who lost vs Werdum, i don't think Cain is or was a good fighter, is pure muscle with a nice ability to receive hits, but not a fighting machine anymore. If we want to learn about good fighters on that category then take a look to mirko crocop

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Quote from: kenzawak on February 20, 2019, 02:33:37 AM

Quote from: mich on February 20, 2019, 02:29:48 AM

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I'd like to see Cormier kick Lesnar's ass.

Lesnar was a crowd drawer before, that was when he has this 4 winning streak eliminating big names like Randy Couture, Frank Mir and Shane Carwin. He also defeated Overeem in Round 1 in UFC 141. But things may have changed after his win last UFC 200 with Mark Hunt since his last fight inside the octagon is 2 years ago. If ever he step inside the octagon again, I wan't to see him loose to Cormier. I wan't to see him get disappointed just like when he lost to Frank Mir on UFC 81.

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@eaLiTy. Whatever they make it appear to be, the Cain that went in the octagon versus Francis Ngannou was not the Cain that would have won with or without the knee injury. Ring rust is real no matter what anyone believes.

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Quote from: kenzawak on February 20, 2019, 02:33:37 AM

I'd like to see Cormier kick Lesnar's ass.

That would be a great match up, two heavyweight amateur wrestlers who did not face each other in their competing time and now they have the opportunity to match their skills in MMA and i consider Cormier to be a better wrestler than Lesnar and he incorporated wrestling well in his MMA fights and can dominate any fighter on the ground.

Quote from: Jating on February 23, 2019, 07:39:54 AM

Javier Mendez, Cain's coach as a interesting theory, Grin

So basically, he blame the 'illegal' punch that could have trigger Cain's knees to buckled and eventually gave out.

So now they accept that Cains knee buckled because of the punch Cheesy

, earlier i heard them saying that his knee buckled and so is the reason he went down, but in the video it looked like Ngannou had a short side upper cut that buckled Cains feet . What ever the situation is, Cain is not healthy to fight right now.

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Quote from: kenzawak on February 24, 2019, 06:14:06 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on February 23, 2019, 08:55:09 AM

Velasquez already had a bum knee before the fight. Watch this vid. Look more closely around 42 secs: https://twitter.com/Maclifeofficial/status/1096290910130790401

He limped a bit and quit the work out.

Interesting video thanks.
So if he already had a problem with the knee before the fight, Cain can only blame himself.
He should have postponed it.

Yes, hasn't seen this video as well, it looks like he is already hurt going into the fight with Francis and that shot he took could have really aggravated it, that's why he just took a knee.

I don't know about the postponement though, the stakes are already high at that time and there is no coming back. He take the risk then no one has to blame but himself.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 23, 2019, 08:55:09 AM

Velasquez already had a bum knee before the fight. Watch this vid. Look more closely around 42 secs: https://twitter.com/Maclifeofficial/status/1096290910130790401

He limped a bit and quit the work out.

Interesting video thanks.
So if he already had a problem with the knee before the fight, Cain can only blame himself.
He should have postponed it.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 23, 2019, 08:55:09 AM

Velasquez already had a bum knee before the fight. Watch this vid. Look more closely around 42 secs: https://twitter.com/Maclifeofficial/status/1096290910130790401

He limped a bit and quit the work out.

Yes, it looks pretty much like that during the fight and many people in the comments say the same thing. He should have asked for shifting the fight on another date imo. How could he risk his career like that? On the other hand, maybe he couldn't shift the fight and get the $450,000 salary at the same time. If he needed the money at the moment, I wouldn't blame him at all.

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Velasquez already had a bum knee before the fight. Watch this vid. Look more closely around 42 secs: https://twitter.com/Maclifeofficial/status/1096290910130790401

He limped a bit and quit the work out.

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Quote from: Jating on February 23, 2019, 07:39:54 AM

Javier Mendez, Cain's coach as a interesting theory, Grin

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“If you guys watch the video, the very first punch Ngannou threw at Cain, (Cain) came into shoot, he got hit in the back of the head, an illegal shot that dazed him a little bit when he went in for the takedown, and that’s what kind of jacked up his knee to start,” Mendez told Submission Radio. “So, I didn’t see that, I did not see that. And today I looked at it and said, ‘oh my god.’ And guess who told me about it? Cain. Cain was the one who told me.”

https://www.mmamania.com/2019/2/21/18234595/ufc-cain-velasquez-team-now-blaming-illegal-punch-ko-loss-francis-ngannou-phoenix

So basically, he blame the 'illegal' punch that could have trigger Cain's knees to buckled and eventually gave out.

This is just another excuse from Cain's camp. Of course we wanted more action from him and rooting for Cain to win, but this kind of freak accident really do happen and it's very unfortunate that we didn't more action. Just man up and not to look for excuses that his fighter lost it already.

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Javier Mendez, Cain's coach as a interesting theory, Grin

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“If you guys watch the video, the very first punch Ngannou threw at Cain, (Cain) came into shoot, he got hit in the back of the head, an illegal shot that dazed him a little bit when he went in for the takedown, and that’s what kind of jacked up his knee to start,” Mendez told Submission Radio. “So, I didn’t see that, I did not see that. And today I looked at it and said, ‘oh my god.’ And guess who told me about it? Cain. Cain was the one who told me.”

https://www.mmamania.com/2019/2/21/18234595/ufc-cain-velasquez-team-now-blaming-illegal-punch-ko-loss-francis-ngannou-phoenix

So basically, he blame the 'illegal' punch that could have trigger Cain's knees to buckled and eventually gave out.

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Quote from: kenzawak on February 19, 2019, 06:06:39 AM

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Hey, Where's Royce Gracie and St. Pierre?

At the top of the top obviously ! Wink

About GSP, he's gonna announce his retirement later today.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 20, 2019, 08:54:05 AM

^ Rofl. He doesn't like his face getting hit too. Notice how he closes his eyes and shakes his head like a baby and his arms flailing when he gets his face hit.

Lol, I haven't notice that.

But yeah, would love to see him get bloodied, Grin

. Someone needs to smoke that ass again just for the sake of getting entertained.

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^ Rofl. He doesn't like his face getting hit too. Notice how he closes his eyes and shakes his head like a baby and his arms flailing when he gets his face hit.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 20, 2019, 08:48:15 AM

Lesnar just doesn't offer anything new anymore.

It's still fun to see him get his ass kicked. Grin

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Quote from: kenzawak on February 20, 2019, 02:33:37 AM

Quote from: mich on February 20, 2019, 02:29:48 AM

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I'd like to see Cormier kick Lesnar's ass.

And I'd like to see an Ngannou vs Miocic rematch as the co main event. Grin

That could def get more people interested than seeing Lesnar getting his ass kicked again imho. Lesnar just doesn't offer anything new anymore.

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Quote from: btc_angela on February 20, 2019, 12:42:38 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on February 19, 2019, 09:27:26 PM

I reckon Dana might have a new storyboard from Cain's unlucky conclusion. Francis Ngannou versus Daniel Cormier, the revenge for Cain.

Cain and Daniel are close friends and training partners in the American Kickboxing Academy. Francis wants his next fight to be for the championship. Daniel wants to avenge his friend. Dana is already counting how much pay per views he can sell hehehehehe.

I also have this thought that what if Cain wins against Ngannou last Sunday? Will DC fight his friend for the heavyweight belt?

Daniel Cormier will not fight Cain. Perhaps the story line will be DC will retire and Cain takes over the heavyweight division. Unfortunately we have seen what happened, so it will be DC vs Francis next. But first DC needs to rehab his injuries. Another option will be DC vs Brock as @kenzawak, has pointed out. But depends on how DC recovered, so we're not sure of the timeline yet.

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