UKGC-licensed casinos now stricter in verifying players' age & identity

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Quote from: carter34 on May 13, 2019, 06:54:03 AM

Quote from: swogerino on May 13, 2019, 05:40:24 AM

This is nothing new in the Fiat zone and I think it is a good practice for people playing with Fiat to stop abuse.While the same can be said about crypto gaming I think that crypto by nature is to offer some kind of privacy to the players.
Crypto also has no boundaries to be tied only to a license such as the UKGC.

Well , looking at your view, I think you have a very sound argument in your post as to the non disclosure of identity that crypto is for anybody using it. One another way, gambling sites are owned by people who have decided to regulate its business in such a way that age is a criteria for qualifying to play, we are just in a double edged situation on this though.

But the problem now is (at least on the part of the law implementers) not all online casinos that operate have a license.

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Quote from: electronicash on May 10, 2019, 05:13:43 AM

kids will just skips that casino and move to another.
if they don't wanna submit IDs, they can still go into BTC casinos that doesn't ask. they just every here in bitcointalk.

Lol. Most kids don't even know what crypto actually is and they would probably stick to FIAT since crypto can be complicated for many of them. Taking their parents credit card and signing up on a FIAT based casino is way easier for them. This new KYC rule is a positive step forward in my opinion.

If I compare kids of my time and kids of today's time - there's a vast difference! I got my first mobile phone when I completed 12th standard! Now even 4 years old kids watch their favorite cartoon in youtube. Let me tell you that, today's minors understand cryptos in a better way that we can imagine now!

The KYC rule is definitely a positive point towards stopping the minors from gambling! But these minors will try to move to crypto regime faster than we can think, if fiat casinos really implement these kyc rules in a very strict way! And that's a positive!

If kids are the reason behind the implementation, then there will always be a problem. I am not in support of minors gambling, but with technology, one will realize that kids of these can go to any extent to look for information of what they want. Requesting for KYC because of the kids would disturb the gambling activities of matured people that are interested in hiding their identity.

Gambling is not good for minors but requesting for KYC will not be the solution for preventing them from gambling . A child that would gamble would look for other options that would accept or that will qualify him to play. Messages of the destructive nature of gambling should continue to be preached and this would quench their interest for gambling till they are of gage.

You have a big point there. Perhaps the stricter KYC is not the best solution to the growing number of kids entering gambling sites. But what is?

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Quote from: avikz on May 15, 2019, 09:57:14 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on May 10, 2019, 05:45:00 AM

Quote from: electronicash on May 10, 2019, 05:13:43 AM

kids will just skips that casino and move to another.
if they don't wanna submit IDs, they can still go into BTC casinos that doesn't ask. they just every here in bitcointalk.

Lol. Most kids don't even know what crypto actually is and they would probably stick to FIAT since crypto can be complicated for many of them. Taking their parents credit card and signing up on a FIAT based casino is way easier for them. This new KYC rule is a positive step forward in my opinion.

If I compare kids of my time and kids of today's time - there's a vast difference! I got my first mobile phone when I completed 12th standard! Now even 4 years old kids watch their favorite cartoon in youtube. Let me tell you that, today's minors understand cryptos in a better way that we can imagine now!

The KYC rule is definitely a positive point towards stopping the minors from gambling! But these minors will try to move to crypto regime faster than we can think, if fiat casinos really implement these kyc rules in a very strict way! And that's a positive!

If kids are the reason behind the implementation, then there will always be a problem. I am not in support of minors gambling, but with technology, one will realize that kids of these can go to any extent to look for information of what they want. Requesting for KYC because of the kids would disturb the gambling activities of matured people that are interested in hiding their identity.

Gambling is not good for minors but requesting for KYC will not be the solution for preventing them from gambling . A child that would gamble would look for other options that would accept or that will qualify him to play. Messages of the destructive nature of gambling should continue to be preached and this would quench their interest for gambling till they are of gage.

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Quote from: Haunebu on May 10, 2019, 05:45:00 AM

Quote from: electronicash on May 10, 2019, 05:13:43 AM

kids will just skips that casino and move to another.
if they don't wanna submit IDs, they can still go into BTC casinos that doesn't ask. they just every here in bitcointalk.

Lol. Most kids don't even know what crypto actually is and they would probably stick to FIAT since crypto can be complicated for many of them. Taking their parents credit card and signing up on a FIAT based casino is way easier for them. This new KYC rule is a positive step forward in my opinion.

If I compare kids of my time and kids of today's time - there's a vast difference! I got my first mobile phone when I completed 12th standard! Now even 4 years old kids watch their favorite cartoon in youtube. Let me tell you that, today's minors understand cryptos in a better way that we can imagine now!

The KYC rule is definitely a positive point towards stopping the minors from gambling! But these minors will try to move to crypto regime faster than we can think, if fiat casinos really implement these kyc rules in a very strict way! And that's a positive!

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Quote from: swogerino on May 13, 2019, 05:40:24 AM

This is nothing new in the Fiat zone and I think it is a good practice for people playing with Fiat to stop abuse.While the same can be said about crypto gaming I think that crypto by nature is to offer some kind of privacy to the players.
Crypto also has no boundaries to be tied only to a license such as the UKGC.

Well , looking at your view, I think you have a very sound argument in your post as to the non disclosure of identity that crypto is for anybody using it. One another way, gambling sites are owned by people who have decided to regulate its business in such a way that age is a criteria for qualifying to play, we are just in a double edged situation on this though.

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Quote from: Haunebu on May 10, 2019, 05:45:00 AM

Quote from: electronicash on May 10, 2019, 05:13:43 AM

kids will just skips that casino and move to another.
if they don't wanna submit IDs, they can still go into BTC casinos that doesn't ask. they just every here in bitcointalk.

Lol. Most kids don't even know what crypto actually is and they would probably stick to FIAT since crypto can be complicated for many of them. Taking their parents credit card and signing up on a FIAT based casino is way easier for them. This new KYC rule is a positive step forward in my opinion.

15 years old kids are actually good at understanding what BTC and cryptocurrencies are. i once waited in store that accepts BTC, i fall in line to pay the stuff i got and two kids came to ask me if I'm going to pay BTC to the store because if i do, they'd offer to pay cash to the stuff I'm buying and want my BTC sent to them. I'm not gonna be surprise if kids are going to use it to gamble in BTC casinos,

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This is nothing new in the Fiat zone and I think it is a good practice for people playing with Fiat to stop abuse.While the same can be said about crypto gaming I think that crypto by nature is to offer some kind of privacy to the players.
Crypto also has no boundaries to be tied only to a license such as the UKGC.

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 13, 2019, 05:13:11 AM

Quote from: kryptqnick on May 11, 2019, 05:12:35 AM

In case of physical presence it's possible not to ask for an ID if a person is clearly looking like an adult.. Perhaps something similar could be implemented online.
I don't think it's fair to ask people for ID when there is no suspicion of violations.

The problem is that an online user can't be suspicious, the operators can't see him. The operators only see a nickname and an email address. The only thing they can do is request verification which can still be cheated but most people will not go through the trouble of submitting someone else's personal details to be able to gamble.

So true. KYC procedure is not a solution to solve suspicious users ability to gamble. Person can simply switch to another casino.
KYC wont help at all. I can easily send my ID and even make a video call for confirmation. That wont make any verification of the origin of my funds...

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Quote from: kryptqnick on May 11, 2019, 05:12:35 AM

In case of physical presence it's possible not to ask for an ID if a person is clearly looking like an adult.. Perhaps something similar could be implemented online.
I don't think it's fair to ask people for ID when there is no suspicion of violations.

The problem is that an online user can't be suspicious, the operators can't see him. The operators only see a nickname and an email address. The only thing they can do is request verification which can still be cheated but most people will not go through the trouble of submitting someone else's personal details to be able to gamble.

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That is an SOP even if it means that all are anonymous with blockchain tech working for a transaction for verification purposes, it does not mean that a platform will not do KYC. It is no good to operate a business knowing that the platform could destroy the young ones in gambling addiction especially if their parents are not always around checking their kids.

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Quote from: ruthwithers1980 on May 10, 2019, 03:50:41 AM

Beginning May 7, 2019, all the affected gaming operators should not allow any player to make deposits and play betting games without completing the process of verifying his/her name, age, and address. With this, the three-day grace period given before to new players signing up no longer applies.

The laying down of this stricter rule is part of the commission’s goal to get children out of the gambling sphere. In a report by UKGC, it was found out that the number of children with gambling-linked issues quadrupled in the past two years. Now, there are more or less 55,000 children aged 11 to 16 recorded with compulsive gambling issues.

Source: UK GAMBLING COMMISSION IMPLEMENTS STRICTER IDENTITY VERIFICATION RULE

All online casinos licensed by the UKGC implement the KYC rule, now even stricter. Any thoughts on the changes made by the commission to the age & identity verification process?

KYC verification doesn't solve the problem,if you ask me.The minors could still register on some offshore licensed cryptocurrency casino or just signup with some other person't ID.
The children with compulsive gambling issues have to meet psychoterapists and get some kind of threatment.
I don't understand how can a teenager become gambling addict?The kids at that age aren't interested in making money.They are more into other malicious addictions(porn,drugs,etc.).

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The age verification thing is good to be honest. This is the only reason am a bit uncomfortable with cryptocurrency gambling. I wish there was a better way to do this without violating people privacy.

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Quote from: ruthwithers1980 on May 10, 2019, 03:50:41 AM

Beginning May 7, 2019, all the affected gaming operators should not allow any player to make deposits and play betting games without completing the process of verifying his/her name, age, and address. With this, the three-day grace period given before to new players signing up no longer applies.

The laying down of this stricter rule is part of the commission’s goal to get children out of the gambling sphere. In a report by UKGC, it was found out that the number of children with gambling-linked issues quadrupled in the past two years. Now, there are more or less 55,000 children aged 11 to 16 recorded with compulsive gambling issues.

Source: UK GAMBLING COMMISSION IMPLEMENTS STRICTER IDENTITY VERIFICATION RULE

All online casinos licensed by the UKGC implement the KYC rule, now even stricter. Any thoughts on the changes made by the commission to the age & identity verification process?

This would just move more casinos to offshore and towards cryptocurrency. Already many of the British casinos have moved themselves to offshore British overseas territory or countries with more considerate laws like malta and panama.

Most likely be the case to happen thats why we are seeing some of them goes offshore due to this regulation.I can say that stricter laws about KYC do really have that benefit or reason for avoiding young minds to get
involved on gambling on early age but we know that this thing is the main concern on most people where verifying themselves is the most hated part.So,its no surprise that they would switch into places that doesnt
require everything but somehow this do also mainly affects for young minds to switch into crypto and thats an inevitable thing.

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Obviously, this strict verification will deter young players to totally skip online casino's if they are in a country wherein they are covered by the law unless they buy some identification from the dark web to continue their addiction.

So probably it will do more good for our young generations in the long haul, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Pmalek on May 10, 2019, 04:00:09 AM

Gambling can become a problem for minors just like drugs or alcohol abuse and a proper KYC needs to be implemented to determine that the users of these casinos are not miners. The stats that highlight that children with gambling related problems quadrupled in the last couple of years makes them obliged to implement a stricter KYC procedure.

You are right we have always preach anonymousness in the online gambling and casinos but with the high right of children involvement in gambling and are getting negatively affected by this addiction its time to implemente the full kyc process for members and users of online casinos that can be hard to achieve but will go a long way to reduce underage gambling.

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Quote from: Ailmand on May 10, 2019, 04:16:54 AM

One of the reasons why gamblers like playing on gambli g sites which doesn't rrquire KYC is the age restriction. I know a lot of minor who plays online gambling in our country, tho it is also prohibited in our country, it's actually easy for them to access and gamble due to this.

We might not agree with KYC procedure, however, this might help peole who are not of legal age not to learn and be addicted in gambling at a very young age.

Your post has a lot of wisdom and therefore makes good sense. I think in this aspect, age restriction for KYC isn't bad at all because it will deter underaged from involving in gambling at a very early stage. If we could have all gambling site placing such restriction , it will be nice. I do know that most gambling site in my area (not online), do not allow underage to bet.

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Quote from: ruthwithers1980 on May 10, 2019, 03:50:41 AM

Beginning May 7, 2019, all the affected gaming operators should not allow any player to make deposits and play betting games without completing the process of verifying his/her name, age, and address. With this, the three-day grace period given before to new players signing up no longer applies.

The laying down of this stricter rule is part of the commission’s goal to get children out of the gambling sphere. In a report by UKGC, it was found out that the number of children with gambling-linked issues quadrupled in the past two years. Now, there are more or less 55,000 children aged 11 to 16 recorded with compulsive gambling issues.

Source: UK GAMBLING COMMISSION IMPLEMENTS STRICTER IDENTITY VERIFICATION RULE

All online casinos licensed by the UKGC implement the KYC rule, now even stricter. Any thoughts on the changes made by the commission to the age & identity verification process?

It's a difficult question. I think it's important to be strict about children not having access to gambling, but at the same time to leave more freedom to adults... I don't really know how to make sure that both requirements are satisfied. In case of physical presence it's possible not to ask for an ID if a person is clearly looking like an adult.. Perhaps something similar could be implemented online.
I don't think it's fair to ask people for ID when there is no suspicion of violations.

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Minor gamblers will skip that site and move to abother gambling site that does not implement KYC and the site's traffic that the minor gamblers skip will decrease if their site happen to have more minor gamblers playing in there. My question is how safe my identity will be thaat they get after completing the KYC?.

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Quote from: electronicash on May 10, 2019, 05:13:43 AM

kids will just skips that casino and move to another.
if they don't wanna submit IDs, they can still go into BTC casinos that doesn't ask. they just every here in bitcointalk.

Lol. Most kids don't even know what crypto actually is and they would probably stick to FIAT since crypto can be complicated for many of them. Taking their parents credit card and signing up on a FIAT based casino is way easier for them. This new KYC rule is a positive step forward in my opinion.

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ooooh bummer.
what's next after they got the identities of the players, will they also ask where the funds are coming and will they ask for tax from the winnings too?

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Quote from: ruthwithers1980 on May 10, 2019, 03:50:41 AM

Beginning May 7, 2019, all the affected gaming operators should not allow any player to make deposits and play betting games without completing the process of verifying his/her name, age, and address. With this, the three-day grace period given before to new players signing up no longer applies.

The laying down of this stricter rule is part of the commission’s goal to get children out of the gambling sphere. In a report by UKGC, it was found out that the number of children with gambling-linked issues quadrupled in the past two years. Now, there are more or less 55,000 children aged 11 to 16 recorded with compulsive gambling issues.

Source: UK GAMBLING COMMISSION IMPLEMENTS STRICTER IDENTITY VERIFICATION RULE

All online casinos licensed by the UKGC implement the KYC rule, now even stricter. Any thoughts on the changes made by the commission to the age & identity verification process?

It would be a huge help for the parent of those young gamblers.
But for us it would be hard to do it since as we have seen even the one of the greatest and most trusted trading has been hacked.
So it is hard to trust them with our personal information and this could make them lose some customer.

kids will just skips that casino and move to another.
if they don't wanna submit IDs, they can still go into BTC casinos that doesn't ask. they just every here in bitcointalk.

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