Topic: Ukraine president a patriot or a mad man? (Read 428 times)
But the raw evidence shows that it's true. I saw RF helping Ukrainian from getting out of the conflict zone. On the other hand, Ukrainian forces have been accused to beat Indian students who were trying to cross the Poland border. If RF does anything as they have done in Syria( I am talking about airstrikes) then we could see a high amount of civilian casualties already.
But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security.
Right. Ukraine "threatens" Putin because it might join NATO, so let's occupy Ukraine and have a new border with four actual NATO countries. Hmmm... there are more "threats" now. Gotta occupy them too.
Putin the little snowflake will not feel "safe" until he owns all of Europe. Even then, there is the US just across the pond...
I do not think Putin plans to occupy Ukraine and join it with mainland Russia. Ukrainian peoples are hostile towards Russians still RF is trying to avoid civilian casualties. I am assuming they are trying to keep their images and replace them with a puppet government in Ukraine. Putin knows annexation would cause more problems like insurgents and civilian unrest. Ukraine could be a buffer state between NATO and Russia.
The puppet government would only survive if the Ukrainian army and all Ukrainian citizens who are against the Russian rule
are exterminated and are replaced with Putinians from Russia proper.
We are probably talking 90-100% of the 44 million. You do the Math. It will be physically impossible.
They are already determined to defend their country. Imagine if Putinians start killing Ukrainian citizens en masse.
They will have nothing (literally) to lose but defend their country, no matter the cost.
RF is trying to avoid civilian casualties
False.
Ukraine could be a buffer state between NATO and Russia.
It was a buffer and got invaded by Putin in 2014. As of now, Putin would have to exterminate a significant part of Ukrainian population if he wants to bend them.
But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security.
Right. Ukraine "threatens" Putin because it might join NATO, so let's occupy Ukraine and have a new border with four actual NATO countries. Hmmm... there are more "threats" now. Gotta occupy them too.
Putin the little snowflake will not feel "safe" until he owns all of Europe. Even then, there is the US just across the pond...
I do not think Putin plans to occupy Ukraine and join it with mainland Russia. Ukrainian peoples are hostile towards Russians still RF is trying to avoid civilian casualties. I am assuming they are trying to keep their images and replace them with a puppet government in Ukraine. Putin knows annexation would cause more problems like insurgents and civilian unrest. Ukraine could be a buffer state between NATO and Russia.
In terms of governing the country he is quite reliable, but when it comes to diplomacy he is an idiot. How could he even think about joining NATO when Russia was next to them? I thought he was so stupid that he thought that by joining NATO their country would become stronger against Russia. When Russia came to attack he sent his citizens to war? smh
True. I think he might be a successful president as far running economy of the country but he under estimated power of Russia and was not running an independent foreign policy and following the lines of USA and consequently put his country in a serious trouble. USA has bad history of using small nations to achieve its objectives and leave them alone when they are in serious trouble.
If the country behind Ukraine will also pose a thread carrying missiles and weapons, Russia will also disarm them.
No, they will not. They can't even disarm Ukrainian villagers. They might be able to kill some or many Ukrainians, but that's about it.
But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security.
Right. Ukraine "threatens" Putin because it might join NATO, so let's occupy Ukraine and have a new border with four actual NATO countries. Hmmm... there are more "threats" now. Gotta occupy them too.
Putin the little snowflake will not feel "safe" until he owns all of Europe. Even then, there is the US just across the pond...
That's not how they would see it. Moscow would have less than 10 minutes to respond if a missile comes from Ukraine. But if a missile comes from Poland or Hungry or whichever countries behind Ukraine, they are able to respond to an attack with enough time.
If the country behind Ukraine will also pose a thread carrying missiles and weapons, Russia will also disarm them. That could be the case of course they will have to negotiate again to stop it as they did to Ukraine. This is all drama really, the West doesn't care about Ukraine. What does Ukraine contribute to the US except to deter Russia to have an excuse for the crumbling economy and now we can blame Russia for the inflation. Let's forget about the printing.
Isn't Latvia closer to Moscow than Ukraine?
Besides Putin has nukes in Kalingrad that can reach any European capital in minutes.
This has nothing to do with the security of Russia. It is all about Soviet imperialism.
But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security.
Right. Ukraine "threatens" Putin because it might join NATO, so let's occupy Ukraine and have a new border with four actual NATO countries. Hmmm... there are more "threats" now. Gotta occupy them too.
Putin the little snowflake will not feel "safe" until he owns all of Europe. Even then, there is the US just across the pond...
That's not how they would see it. Moscow would have less than 10 minutes to respond if a missile comes from Ukraine. But if a missile comes from Poland or Hungry or whichever countries behind Ukraine, they are able to respond to an attack with enough time.
If the country behind Ukraine will also pose a thread carrying missiles and weapons, Russia will also disarm them. That could be the case of course they will have to negotiate again to stop it as they did to Ukraine. This is all drama really, the West doesn't care about Ukraine. What does Ukraine contribute to the US except to deter Russia to have an excuse for the crumbling economy and now we can blame Russia for the inflation. Let's forget about the printing.
He is a patriotic man, I like the pattern of how he does things, he is a president that has his people in his heart. I saw him on news on a military uniform him parading with with soldiers on war front , it takes a good president to do such to have that boldness and ready to fight for his country, I think Ukrainians are blessed to have him.
In terms of governing the country he is quite reliable, but when it comes to diplomacy he is an idiot. How could he even think about joining NATO when Russia was next to them? I thought he was so stupid that he thought that by joining NATO their country would become stronger against Russia. When Russia came to attack he sent his citizens to war? smh
But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security.
Right. Ukraine "threatens" Putin because it might join NATO, so let's occupy Ukraine and have a new border with four actual NATO countries. Hmmm... there are more "threats" now. Gotta occupy them too.
Putin the little snowflake will not feel "safe" until he owns all of Europe. Even then, there is the US just across the pond...
come on he treated like 40% of his population like a scion subrace, he is a a nazi and it was an extremly corrupt government,
the so called attack or "invasion" was nothing else but an attempt to catch the corrupt leadership
the so called attack or "invasion" was nothing else but an attempt to catch the corrupt leadership
Oh God, imagine actually falling for Putin's NotSee excuse. Oh and don't make the excuse that Donbas was treated badly and other bullshit. They were having talks but those Russian rebels shot down a civilian plane and there's no doubt they commit more terrorism so the Ukrainian government have to act. This is standard procedure. When some nutjobs decided to besiege a city in my country the government had to put the entire region under martial law to deal with them.
The invasion was nothing else but an attempt to catch corrupt leadership? By this logic America's invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and black ops in Pakistan without the Pakistani government's knowledge were totally justified... Of course it doesn't. Those invasions were uncalled for and so is this one.
He's a legend!
The president of Ukraine is a former comedy actor and he still joked when he was president. Distributing 18,000 weapons to civilians without training is tantamount to sacrificing the people for nothing.
In extreme situations that's what you do to survive.
Russians in WW2 were attaching explosives to dogs so that they'd run towards enemy tanks and explode. Women were fighting without any training, children were fighting. It was the same in China when Japan attacked. Chinese teenagers were fighting and dying to stop enemy forces. In occupied Poland kids were working as couriers, delivering orders to soldiers. Many died because Germans were targeting them to stop communication.
You don't need much training to shoot AK47 and throw grenades. Children in Iraq and Afghanistan proved it to the US military.
Sadly those kids are only heroes on the otherside. The Chinese kids who fights bak the Japanese are heroes for the China. The kids from Afghanistan are only heroes to Afghans just as kids from Iraq are heroes to Iraqis. The saddest part is that those who invaded them are also treated heroes in their land for dismanttling the so called terrorist.
Comedian or not, he fights back. But Putin also fights back the bigger empire that threatens his country land security. Who are we going to consider hero in that situation?
The president of Ukraine is a former comedy actor and he still joked when he was president. Distributing 18,000 weapons to civilians without training is tantamount to sacrificing the people for nothing.
In extreme situations that's what you do to survive.
Russians in WW2 were attaching explosives to dogs so that they'd run towards enemy tanks and explode. Women were fighting without any training, children were fighting. It was the same in China when Japan attacked. Chinese teenagers were fighting and dying to stop enemy forces. In occupied Poland kids were working as couriers, delivering orders to soldiers. Many died because Germans were targeting them to stop communication.
You don't need much training to shoot AK47 and throw grenades. Children in Iraq and Afghanistan proved it to the US military.
The president of Ukraine is a former comedy actor and he still joked when he was president. Distributing 18,000 weapons to civilians without training is tantamount to sacrificing the people for nothing.
It's not madness to call on your citizens to fight. It's practically their duty (though of course you can't really force them). This is still a better stance than that coward of an Afghan president Ghani that fled even before the Taliban reached Kabul.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
It a good leadership from a leader to push his untrained people to certain death. Without any training giving arms to civilians means giving shoes to a tree that can not walk. Don't be so emotional on the battlefield. Be logical or you will only get a mountain of dead bodies. It's zelnesky's shortsightedness that he failed to prevent this situation. He throws his people into an unnecessary war.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
come on he treated like 40% of his population like a scion subrace, he is a a nazi and it was an extremly corrupt government,
the so called attack or "invasion" was nothing else but an attempt to catch the corrupt leadership
It's the western media that is showing him as a hero or savior of their people. A leader who cares about his people will try to save them from any damage. But I think he is trying to show the world that Russia is doing war crimes by killing civilians. Very selfish decision by a leader of the country.
in war neither side is innocent. both sides are acting selfishly, and in fact, the biggest loss and casualties are borne by ordinary people, who in essence did not even want war
About the Ukrainian president, if he fails in this business, he can always be an entertainer.
this: https://twitter.com/JovanMarkus/status/1497802581204254721
There are several angles in seeing this. Russian Army respects civilians and will not hurt them but arm forces only because they know it's a war crime.
https://ua.interfax.com.ua/news/general/802770.htmlWe can count this one out.
They don't care if it's a war crime. A family was shot on the street with parents and one child dead on site and 2 other children taken to hospital.
Even Vitalik knows how to handle Putin's trolls.
https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1498012161439932430
It's not madness to call on your citizens to fight. It's practically their duty (though of course you can't really force them). This is still a better stance than that coward of an Afghan president Ghani that fled even before the Taliban reached Kabul.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
It a good leadership from a leader to push his untrained people to certain death. Without any training giving arms to civilians means giving shoes to a tree that can not walk. Don't be so emotional on the battlefield. Be logical or you will only get a mountain of dead bodies. It's zelnesky's shortsightedness that he failed to prevent this situation. He throws his people into an unnecessary war.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
come on he treated like 40% of his population like a scion subrace, he is a a nazi and it was an extremly corrupt government,
the so called attack or "invasion" was nothing else but an attempt to catch the corrupt leadership
It's the western media that is showing him as a hero or savior of their people. A leader who cares about his people will try to save them from any damage. But I think he is trying to show the world that Russia is doing war crimes by killing civilians. Very selfish decision by a leader of the country.
It's not madness to call on your citizens to fight. It's practically their duty (though of course you can't really force them). This is still a better stance than that coward of an Afghan president Ghani that fled even before the Taliban reached Kabul.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
It a good leadership from a leader to push his untrained people to certain death. Without any training giving arms to civilians means giving shoes to a tree that can not walk. Don't be so emotional on the battlefield. Be logical or you will only get a mountain of dead bodies. It's zelnesky's shortsightedness that he failed to prevent this situation. He throws his people into an unnecessary war.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
The USA was warning them for a long time that Russia will attack. Why don't he gives them basic training them that time? Why request them to pick up arms now!
It's not madness to call on your citizens to fight. It's practically their duty (though of course you can't really force them). This is still a better stance than that coward of an Afghan president Ghani that fled even before the Taliban reached Kabul.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
It a good leadership from a leader to push his untrained people to certain death. Without any training giving arms to civilians means giving shoes to a tree that can not walk. Don't be so emotional on the battlefield. Be logical or you will only get a mountain of dead bodies. It's zelnesky's shortsightedness that he failed to prevent this situation. He throws his people into an unnecessary war.
Very little time to train since the Russians are already outside Kyiv. This is why I advocate a mandatory training like they do in South Korea. At least your population know how to use equipment.
come on he treated like 40% of his population like a scion subrace, he is a a nazi and it was an extremly corrupt government,
the so called attack or "invasion" was nothing else but an attempt to catch the corrupt leadership
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