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akhavr

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Quote from: veleten on September 22, 2016, 12:15:57 AM

with things starting to get worse in 2014 when the Crimea peninsula declared independance from Ukraine

s/declared independance from Ukraine/Occupied by Russian special forces as said on TV by Russian Federation president Putin/

And **you're** bringing politics into this thread now.

veleten

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there is a simple explanation to this: 100% of ukrainians understand and can speak russian
100% of russians understand ukrainian but not all of them can and want to speak ukrainian
historically it has always been same country (USSR),with the Soviet Union collapse,Ukraine got its independence in 1991
since that time the country gradually adopted anti-russian stance,with things starting to get worse in 2014 when the Crimea peninsula declared independance from Ukraine(preceeded by the coup-de-etat in the country,which saw the president got overthrown and fled)
Ukraine claims Russia ocupied part of its territory,Russia claims the referendum was according to the international law.

Low ukrainian thread activity was due to the fact that none in their right mind would cut their audience by using ukrainian instead of russian language,there was simply no need for that
nowadays some of the ukrainians refuse to communicate in russian because they think Russia is their worst enemy
it has nothing to do with cryptocurrency per se,just politicing in its best (or worst)

minifrij

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Quote from: akhavr on September 20, 2016, 02:56:43 AM

That's exactly because there's no specific Ukrainian board, and it's hard to discuss several topics in a single thread.

Tough? If you can get enough activity in your thread then you will be more likely to be given your own sub-forum. Not posting in your thread doesn't help matters whatsoever.

Quote from: akhavr on September 20, 2016, 02:56:43 AM

And when I reply in Ukrainian (or in English) on Russian board, I end being criticised and post - deleted. You can guess what would happen if I'd reply in Ukrainian in English thread..

That's understandable. I wouldn't be allowed to post French in a Spanish thread, the same concept applies.

Quote from: akhavr on September 20, 2016, 02:56:43 AM

So, there's not enough activity in Ukrainian **exactly** because there's no place to have it. And I'd much better to discuss cryptostuff in my native language than in English or Russian.

You have two options. You can post in the Ukrainian thread to generate activity to show you deserve a sub-board, or you can stay in the Russian/English boards and speak their respective languages.

akhavr

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Quote from: Lutpin on September 19, 2016, 04:47:15 AM

Discussion like the one going (very very slow) in the local thread up there.

That's exactly because there's no specific Ukrainian board, and it's hard to discuss several topics in a single thread.

And, yes, most of us speak Russian. And when I reply in Ukrainian (or in English) on Russian board, I end being criticised and post - deleted. You can guess what would happen if I'd reply in Ukrainian in English thread..

So, there's not enough activity in Ukrainian **exactly** because there's no place to have it. And I'd much better to discuss cryptostuff in my native language than in English or Russian.

konovalets

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Quote from: Lauda on September 20, 2016, 01:12:36 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 20, 2016, 12:59:17 AM

As you see, there is a demand for Ukrainian local board, so if more activity in Ukrainian topic is the main requirement, so ok, I think I will be able to gather people together and you will see more activity within next month than in last two years.

It is really hard to get a group of people to post "I need/want X" on Bitcointalk. This demand is still far from adequate and it doesn't justify a section. If you're able to activate the Ukrainian community first within the respective thread that they currently have, then it should work out in the near future.

Ok, I consider it won't be very hard. My senses talk me that critical mass is already there.

Lauda

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Quote from: konovalets on September 20, 2016, 12:59:17 AM

As you see, there is a demand for Ukrainian local board, so if more activity in Ukrainian topic is the main requirement, so ok, I think I will be able to gather people together and you will see more activity within next month than in last two years.

It is really hard to get a group of people to post "I need/want X" on Bitcointalk. This demand is still far from adequate and it doesn't justify a section. If you're able to activate the Ukrainian community first within the respective thread that they currently have, then it should work out in the near future.

konovalets

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Quote from: Lauda on September 19, 2016, 04:47:11 PM

Quote from: yubit on September 19, 2016, 04:10:20 PM

Moderators,

please create separate section for Ukrainian language in Bitcoin Forum > Local
Then community will available to create different threads and child boards

We need it

It was already explained, several times and by several members, why that isn't true and that it's not likely going to happen. Have you even read a single post in this thread? I highly doubt that you did.

As you see, there is a demand for Ukrainian local board, so if more activity in Ukrainian topic is the main requirement, so ok, I think I will be able to gather people together and you will see more activity within next month than in last two years.

So please don't be so skeptical about it.

MadeInUkraine

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Yes, I need Ukrainian local board

Lauda

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Quote from: yubit on September 19, 2016, 04:10:20 PM

Moderators,

please create separate section for Ukrainian language in Bitcoin Forum > Local
Then community will available to create different threads and child boards

We need it

It was already explained, several times and by several members, why that isn't true and that it's not likely going to happen. Have you even read a single post in this thread? I highly doubt that you did.

yubit

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Moderators,

please create separate section for Ukrainian language in Bitcoin Forum > Local

Then community will available to create different threads and child boards

We need it

konovalets

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Quote from: Lauda on September 19, 2016, 11:08:56 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 07:59:56 AM

Is it allowed to have several language topics in "Other languages" section? For example one topic for markets, one topic for news and one general topic?

No, you should not do that. All the discussion should be taking place within the singular thread until such time has come where there's a need for a separate section. Then, and only then will you be able to create multiple threads about differentiating topics in that language.

Thank you for explanation.

Lauda

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 07:59:56 AM

Is it allowed to have several language topics in "Other languages" section? For example one topic for markets, one topic for news and one general topic?

No, you should not do that. All the discussion should be taking place within the singular thread until such time has come where there's a need for a separate section. Then, and only then will you be able to create multiple threads about differentiating topics in that language.

5thangel

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It's a good idea, I need Ukrainian local board too

konovalets

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Quote from: Frij on September 19, 2016, 06:29:11 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 06:04:32 AM

Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?

Significantly more than you currently have. If you look on the Boards breakdown, you can see that almost all boards have several thousand posts (with the exception of Korea). This is significantly more activity than the Ukraine seems to have.

In addition, AFAIK it helps if you have a trusted user who fully understands the rules and how to enforce them (E.G with a significant amount of reports) to moderate the section. I am doubtful that either aiwe or yourself fit that quota.

Ok, I think you know rules better than I so I have a question: Is it allowed to have several language topics in "Other languages" section? For example one topic for markets, one topic for news and one general topic?

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 04:43:19 AM

I'd like to ask moderators to add Ukrainian local board. We really need it.

Ukraine is home to one of the largest bitcoin communities in Europe. Ukraine currently ranks among the top 10 countries in the world in terms of the number of global bitcoin nodes. So I think it isn't right that we don't have our local board here.

Yes, I need Ukrainian local board

konovalets

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Quote from: aiwe on September 19, 2016, 07:09:02 AM

Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:42:53 AM

Quote from: Lutpin on September 19, 2016, 05:36:25 AM

I asume that's your main intention and your current interest in bringing up the suggestion of a local ukrainian board, right?

No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.

If aiwe will be a moderator it's ok too

No thanks

This is Ukrainian's problem in general I think. They sit on other boards and threads like Russian, Polish, English. They tend to respond in Russian language when someone starts talking in Russian to them even if they know for sure that their interlocutor at lest perfectly understands Ukrainian. This is changing but too slowly. Since all understand Russian and a lot of users use Russian in daily life they naturally write in Russian board. Even I respond in Russian thread but I have to maintain currency, help people etc. By the way a lot of users there are indeed from Ukraine. But this is more linguistic than locality problem. I guess Russian is treated as Russian language board not Russia country board. I suspect that even if mods will open Ukraininan board there would be more posts and threads in Russian language

I wish I prove wrong.

No offences nor fud or hate intended. Just my thoughts.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about but it's time to change it.

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 05:42:53 AM

Quote from: Lutpin on September 19, 2016, 05:36:25 AM

I asume that's your main intention and your current interest in bringing up the suggestion of a local ukrainian board, right?

No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.

If aiwe will be a moderator it's ok too

No thanks

This is Ukrainian's problem in general I think. They sit on other boards and threads like Russian, Polish, English. They tend to respond in Russian language when someone starts talking in Russian to them even if they know for sure that their interlocutor at lest perfectly understands Ukrainian. This is changing but too slowly. Since all understand Russian and a lot of users use Russian in daily life they naturally write in Russian board. Even I respond in Russian thread but I have to maintain currency, help people etc. By the way a lot of users there are indeed from Ukraine. But this is more linguistic than locality problem. I guess Russian is treated as Russian language board not Russia country board. I suspect that even if mods will open Ukraininan board there would be more posts and threads in Russian language

I wish I prove wrong.

No offences nor fud or hate intended. Just my thoughts.

Frij

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 06:04:32 AM

Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?

Significantly more than you currently have. If you look on the Boards breakdown, you can see that almost all boards have several thousand posts (with the exception of Korea). This is significantly more activity than the Ukraine seems to have.

In addition, AFAIK it helps if you have a trusted user who fully understands the rules and how to enforce them (E.G with a significant amount of reports) to moderate the section. I am doubtful that either aiwe or yourself fit that quota.

konovalets

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Serbian topic is much older than Ukrainian and recent activity is much lower. Pakistan is better, but recent activity is lower than in Ukrainian too. So i think it's not very good measure of activity.

And as I wrote before a lot of ukrainains are bilingual and now russian, so people often use russian board, see KRB thread for example, but when I wrote some post in ukrainain there some russian speaker become upset because he didn't understand me.

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Quote from: konovalets on September 19, 2016, 06:04:32 AM

Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?

There isn't a fixed number. However, if you take a look within the "Other languages/locations" section, you will find that there are threads which have much more activity/posts in comparison to the Ukranian one. The current top three are: Serbian, Pakistani, Slovenia with 1180+, 980+, 818+ posts respectively. In comparison, the Ukrainian one has 420+.

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