UN drugs board slams killings in Philippines - page 2.

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That is a fucked up situation to claim 6500 lives when you are curbing drug problem is a really big number and why does the international community does not speak against that.It is against human rights to kill somebody in the name of drugs until and until he is a problem to the society he must be locked inside rather than giving the capital punishment.

At least that is less than 6500 addicts and pushers in the street that will likely do crime, or kill someone who is innocent. A lot of crimes in Philippines is because of people who are under the influence of drugs. They will mug you in the dark alley, and if you fight them, you are automatically dead. They don't select victims, whether you are young or old, the victims have human rights too, but they are already dead so where is the victims human rights there?

Are you sure that all these 6,500 people were actually drug addicts? There were media reports that at least some of them were innocent bystanders. Also, what was the need to kill them all? I thought that putting them in de-addiction centers would be a much better option.

Not all of them are addicts, some of them are just bystanders, there are even children who were hit by stray bullets from police. It is avoidable if they are carefully planning all their raids and not just after the merit that they will receive after accomplishing their task.

I just hope that this next one is not as bloody as before. Just like how the PDEA do it.

And what is the law filipin addict is also a criminal? All over the world, the criminal is the one who spreads drugs, and whoever uses them, these are sick people. Although if the problem is acute, then the authorities will not sort out who is who.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 15, 2017, 12:34:06 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on March 14, 2017, 01:50:34 PM

Quote from: Mbokani on March 14, 2017, 09:53:25 AM

That is a fucked up situation to claim 6500 lives when you are curbing drug problem is a really big number and why does the international community does not speak against that.It is against human rights to kill somebody in the name of drugs until and until he is a problem to the society he must be locked inside rather than giving the capital punishment.

At least that is less than 6500 addicts and pushers in the street that will likely do crime, or kill someone who is innocent. A lot of crimes in Philippines is because of people who are under the influence of drugs. They will mug you in the dark alley, and if you fight them, you are automatically dead. They don't select victims, whether you are young or old, the victims have human rights too, but they are already dead so where is the victims human rights there?

Are you sure that all these 6,500 people were actually drug addicts? There were media reports that at least some of them were innocent bystanders. Also, what was the need to kill them all? I thought that putting them in de-addiction centers would be a much better option.

Not all of them are addicts, some of them are just bystanders, there are even children who were hit by stray bullets from police. It is avoidable if they are carefully planning all their raids and not just after the merit that they will receive after accomplishing their task.

I just hope that this next one is not as bloody as before. Just like how the PDEA do it.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 14, 2017, 01:50:34 PM

Quote from: Mbokani on March 14, 2017, 09:53:25 AM

That is a fucked up situation to claim 6500 lives when you are curbing drug problem is a really big number and why does the international community does not speak against that.It is against human rights to kill somebody in the name of drugs until and until he is a problem to the society he must be locked inside rather than giving the capital punishment.

At least that is less than 6500 addicts and pushers in the street that will likely do crime, or kill someone who is innocent. A lot of crimes in Philippines is because of people who are under the influence of drugs. They will mug you in the dark alley, and if you fight them, you are automatically dead. They don't select victims, whether you are young or old, the victims have human rights too, but they are already dead so where is the victims human rights there?

Are you sure that all these 6,500 people were actually drug addicts? There were media reports that at least some of them were innocent bystanders. Also, what was the need to kill them all? I thought that putting them in de-addiction centers would be a much better option.

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Quote from: Mbokani on March 14, 2017, 09:53:25 AM

That is a fucked up situation to claim 6500 lives when you are curbing drug problem is a really big number and why does the international community does not speak against that.It is against human rights to kill somebody in the name of drugs until and until he is a problem to the society he must be locked inside rather than giving the capital punishment.

At least that is less than 6500 addicts and pushers in the street that will likely do crime, or kill someone who is innocent. A lot of crimes in Philippines is because of people who are under the influence of drugs. They will mug you in the dark alley, and if you fight them, you are automatically dead. They don't select victims, whether you are young or old, the victims have human rights too, but they are already dead so where is the victims human rights there?

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Quote from: Wesimon on March 14, 2017, 10:52:22 AM

The problem about our government here in the Philippines is that many politicians only thinks of their personal interest. They do not even consider the people. Media are too biased. The president have gained so much support from the Filipinos. But still, there are other parties who wants President Duterte out of the picture. I hope UN will balance everything regarding this matter.

Nothing the UN will not be able to balance. This organization proved to be ineffective. The UN required a complete reorganization. They have become the world's policeman or to cease to exist.

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The big problem here in our country is there are always againts who don't want this happen how about the old administrator where there no negative sides and always positive although their actually doing illegal activities and earning by the money of people this isn't prove it right?

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The problem about our government here in the Philippines is that many politicians only thinks of their personal interest. They do not even consider the people. Media are too biased. The president have gained so much support from the Filipinos. But still, there are other parties who wants President Duterte out of the picture. I hope UN will balance everything regarding this matter.

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That is a fucked up situation to claim 6500 lives when you are curbing drug problem is a really big number and why does the international community does not speak against that.It is against human rights to kill somebody in the name of drugs until and until he is a problem to the society he must be locked inside rather than giving the capital punishment.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 03, 2017, 07:24:39 AM

The UN-linked International Narcotics Control Board on Thursday condemned the use of extrajudicial killings in the Philippines, where President Rodrigo Duterte's much-criticized war on drugs has claimed more than 6,500 lives.

Duterte was elected in 2016 after promising to eradicate drugs in society. Since June, police have reported killing more than 2,550 people while more than 4,000 others have died in unexplained circumstances.

In a new annual report, the INCB said that "extrajudicial action, purportedly taken in pursuit of drug control objectives, is fundamentally contrary to the provisions and objectives" of international drug conventions.

Full Read Here: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/601763/news/nation/un-drugs-board-slams-killings-in-philippines

The news is not new for me. United Nations has been a very vocal critic of President
Duterte especially the drug problems and extra-judicial killing in the Philippines.

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Well in my case its wrong to kill to does who won't fight but in the philippines i really think that some of the cops their are having fun of killing some people who do drugs they even put drugs on an innocent person just so they can arrest people, As i thought of it that its really really wrong they should protest and we have our own human rights to it. Cops in the philippines are prideful and they use their power for wrong interceptions.

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Quote from: MattScott on March 10, 2017, 11:56:42 AM

In the Philippines Duterte gave full legal nihilism. Now he kills drug dealers, and then will kill disagree with his regime.

Till now more than 6,000 people have been killed (mostly by the cops, but also by the vigilante squads). As far as I know, enquiry have not been committed in to any of these murders. No one knows whether these people were actually drug smugglers, or just bystanders.

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In the Philippines Duterte gave full legal nihilism. Now he kills drug dealers, and then will kill disagree with his regime.

That sounds awfully judgmental for person, that presented but a single idea how to deal with armed gangs subservient to drug barons.

Do you wish to live in state that is policed by militia of drug lords? Inside Rio de Janeiro favelas perhaps? Or are you rather Detroit urban type?

The men that are being hunted down in Phillipines today are not your neighbours kids trying to get rich by selling marijuana at local high school. They are organized, armed, killers and traffickers. It is shameful, that instead of assistance the west scolds Phillipines for fighting back against these cancerous tumors.

That is very true, the current government headed py president duterte is trying its best to make our streets safe and free from criminals. But the other politicians and media personnel are going all out destroying the President. The reason is now clear its because they are receiving huge bribes from drug traders and that's why they are going against the President.

Wouldn't doubt this is also the same reason that the U.N decided that way in which they did, it's rather easy to pay these globalists scum to decide a certain way on blasting a leader who is actually taking charge on stopping the drug trade in his country.

People may say the way in which he's going about it is controversial and horrible, but everything relating to drugs being produced, sold, used, and so on are all controversial and horrible. So he's going to be fighting fire with fire, plus he has to fight all of the corrupt politicians, media outlets, and so on. This war isn't going to just be on drugs, it's going to be on everything relating to the money surrounding the drug trade.

Hats off to the President, for fighting the tough war on drugs.

I also like how President Duterte run his country. He is all action. He doesn't care what other country or Organization will say about it. Calling him dictators etc. At the end of the day, he answers to his people, not to those who also has something to say to this government. And you are correct, this fight or his fight not only for drugs, for for all drug money which benefits from it. Police, Mayors, and other politicians. That's why they are all hell bent on ousting him.

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In the Philippines Duterte gave full legal nihilism. Now he kills drug dealers, and then will kill disagree with his regime.

That sounds awfully judgmental for person, that presented but a single idea how to deal with armed gangs subservient to drug barons.

Do you wish to live in state that is policed by militia of drug lords? Inside Rio de Janeiro favelas perhaps? Or are you rather Detroit urban type?

The men that are being hunted down in Phillipines today are not your neighbours kids trying to get rich by selling marijuana at local high school. They are organized, armed, killers and traffickers. It is shameful, that instead of assistance the west scolds Phillipines for fighting back against these cancerous tumors.

That is very true, the current government headed py president duterte is trying its best to make our streets safe and free from criminals. But the other politicians and media personnel are going all out destroying the President. The reason is now clear its because they are receiving huge bribes from drug traders and that's why they are going against the President.

Wouldn't doubt this is also the same reason that the U.N decided that way in which they did, it's rather easy to pay these globalists scum to decide a certain way on blasting a leader who is actually taking charge on stopping the drug trade in his country.

People may say the way in which he's going about it is controversial and horrible, but everything relating to drugs being produced, sold, used, and so on are all controversial and horrible. So he's going to be fighting fire with fire, plus he has to fight all of the corrupt politicians, media outlets, and so on. This war isn't going to just be on drugs, it's going to be on everything relating to the money surrounding the drug trade.

Hats off to the President, for fighting the tough war on drugs.

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Quote from: Xester on March 11, 2017, 05:55:32 AM

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Quote from: MattScott on March 10, 2017, 11:56:42 AM

In the Philippines Duterte gave full legal nihilism. Now he kills drug dealers, and then will kill disagree with his regime.

That sounds awfully judgmental for person, that presented but a single idea how to deal with armed gangs subservient to drug barons.

Do you wish to live in state that is policed by militia of drug lords? Inside Rio de Janeiro favelas perhaps? Or are you rather Detroit urban type?

The men that are being hunted down in Phillipines today are not your neighbours kids trying to get rich by selling marijuana at local high school. They are organized, armed, killers and traffickers. It is shameful, that instead of assistance the west scolds Phillipines for fighting back against these cancerous tumors.

That is very true, the current government headed py president duterte is trying its best to make our streets safe and free from criminals. But the other politicians and media personnel are going all out destroying the President. The reason is now clear its because they are receiving huge bribes from drug traders and that's why they are going against the President.

Are you sure that Duterte he does not receive bribes from traffickers in the elimination of competitors?

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Quote from: MattScott on March 10, 2017, 11:56:42 AM

In the Philippines Duterte gave full legal nihilism. Now he kills drug dealers, and then will kill disagree with his regime.

That sounds awfully judgmental for person, that presented but a single idea how to deal with armed gangs subservient to drug barons.

Do you wish to live in state that is policed by militia of drug lords? Inside Rio de Janeiro favelas perhaps? Or are you rather Detroit urban type?

The men that are being hunted down in Phillipines today are not your neighbours kids trying to get rich by selling marijuana at local high school. They are organized, armed, killers and traffickers. It is shameful, that instead of assistance the west scolds Phillipines for fighting back against these cancerous tumors.

That is very true, the current government headed py president duterte is trying its best to make our streets safe and free from criminals. But the other politicians and media personnel are going all out destroying the President. The reason is now clear its because they are receiving huge bribes from drug traders and that's why they are going against the President.

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Well the UN didn't mention that he freed the older prisoners from jail.

President of the Philippines Rodrigo Duterte has reportedly offering executive clemency to 127 inmates across the country.

Duterte, dubbed 'The Punisher', was warned by a Senator he will be held accountable for his alleged extrajudicial killings during the President's anti-drug campaign.

However, in the meantime Duterte took a trip to National 'Bilibid' Prison in Muntinlupa city, with reports claiming the President released 127 inmates across the country under the recommendation of the Department of Justice
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4289346/Punisher-releases-sick-elderly-prisoners.html

It's good to hear that he is offering executive clemency to old inmates. However, more old inmates still die in the prison, and they are not in the national penitentiary. Most of them die even before the judges makes a decision about their cases.

I wonder if those mobile trial court still exist today, and if it does, I guess it's not effective as there are so many prisons with pending cases, and prisons with influences and with big money ends up outside the prison because their victims are pushed to just end up with settlement.

If I remember accurately, the issue is that the judicial system is backlogged there are too many cases for too few judges and the problem is compounded with the drug war, which impacts police/legal the most. Also similar to the West if you can afford it you can delay it and get away from being charged.

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Lots of backlog in the local courts, specially in municipal trial courts. Cases are pending, and the accused has already served their sentence before the presiding judge could make a conclusion. Maybe they are holding too many cases with different types as every one of them are loaded with the same.

I hope that those mobile trial could court really exist, so that crimes that are not too sensational and other things such as notary can be handled by them.

BTT: I am sure that UN will never stop criticizing as Philippines is part of it. But since most of the UN's decisions are not obligatory, then I guess nothing is there to worry about.

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Quote from: MattScott on March 10, 2017, 11:56:42 AM

In the Philippines Duterte gave full legal nihilism. Now he kills drug dealers, and then will kill disagree with his regime.

That sounds awfully judgmental for person, that presented but a single idea how to deal with armed gangs subservient to drug barons.

Do you wish to live in state that is policed by militia of drug lords? Inside Rio de Janeiro favelas perhaps? Or are you rather Detroit urban type?

The men that are being hunted down in Phillipines today are not your neighbours kids trying to get rich by selling marijuana at local high school. They are organized, armed, killers and traffickers. It is shameful, that instead of assistance the west scolds Phillipines for fighting back against these cancerous tumors.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 10, 2017, 09:04:42 AM

I told you so. UN now slams the Philippines for passing the death penalty. But they can't do anything about it for now although their argument is that the Philippines should uphold the international human rights obligations of the country against the death penalty. He said that the problem was that past presidents do not have the political will to use it to strike fear on the hearts of criminals. I think with Death Penalty law also passed, He
sought for a return of the death penalty because that would be the only way to win justice for the victims of heinous crimes according to him.

Well when your prison can be compared to a pretty decent hotel lodging there is a fair rationale for the death penalty.
Although it really does save them on policing cost having the gang members just split the responsibility between them and they really didn't have the political will De Lima was using the money made from the drug dealings and kickbacks to fund her campaign. Taking pictures with mob leaders is part of the electoral campaign and is part of their demographics.
Either way I think he wants the death penalty to clean up the prison a bit and to not reward people for doing crime, when the prison is more attractive than the Slum the country has a fundamental issue.

Beats the West in some ways though ha-ha seriously got axes in jail ^^.
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Quote from: MattScott on March 10, 2017, 11:56:42 AM

In the Philippines Duterte gave full legal nihilism. Now he kills drug dealers, and then will kill disagree with his regime.

I do not know about everything else, but with drugs it is necessary to fight cardinally and if knocking drug barons to decide the question, it means that everything was done correctly.

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In the Philippines Duterte gave full legal nihilism. Now he kills drug dealers, and then will kill disagree with his regime.

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